Infantry: The Workhorse of Battle.
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a web engine search on 'military workhorse' enlighten me further. i am searching deeper to see if infantry or the WWII paratrooper were ever mention.Originally posted by sgdiehard:So what is the definition of "The Workhorse"? -
Just think about this, D day during WW2, the woman folding the parachutes believed she deserved a medal for her key role in the battles behind Normandy. She probably never thought about the pilot of the C-3 who braved the AA gun fires to bring the paratroopers to the destination? the fighter escorts? the underground resistance who prepared the landing zone? the paratrooper himself, who jumped from __ft in the dark and landed behind enemy lines? his commander and his fellow paratroopers who fought side by side? the signaller who communicated, the engineers who blew up wire obstacles.....? All of them risked their lives so that the battles could be won!! Do you think this storelady deserved a medal for if she did not fold the parachutes properfly, the battles could not be won?Originally posted by YI:this relationship unfortunately works both way. without the storeman keeping track or maintaining its stores, how can the fighting men win a battle with broken down equipments? as Obersturmfuhrer mentions, no one arm can claim independence or supremacy over the other. All are integral and important for a successful campaign.
Obersturmfuhrer is right that "no one arm can claim independence or supremacy over the other...." A lot more people risk their lives and gave up their lives in order that a battle can be won.
My experience in the SAF is that 'don't depend on the storeman 100%, they always cock-up, have contingency plan!' This is really unfortunate. -
No twisting of history! Many battles were fought during WW2. Infantryman might died during Brittle for Britain, but were they the "workhorse" of the battle? How could infantryman be the "workhorse" of the battle for the Atlantic, the Battle of Midway? the troopers manning stations on the convoys? or the AA gunners?Originally posted by John Ching:I believe you've twisted history to your own liking. There are definately enough tomb stones of WW II infantry vets during Battle for Britain, Battle for Atlantic & Falkland war. But if you are referring to the battles fought of shore then you're judging the grid of the war to a particular area & only in that concept would your point be abit acceptable. Otherwise how are you going to explain about all the WW II tomb stones without insulting its occupants?
If the Argentine airforce or the navy sank QE2 ferrying the British troops, before it reaches Falkland, the war would have stopped there with thousands of british infantry in the bottom of the sea. No infantrymen on both sides would have fired one single shot! Would they then be the workhorse of the war?
There lied in the tomb stones of WW2 soldiers of all kinds, including infantryman, how are you going to claim glory for the infantryman without insulting the other occupants of the tomb stones?? -
yeap. you are right. if a medal were given for every little contribution, the medal will lose its preciousness and it will not be fair to the other bearers. to conclude, there is a difference between serving in a frontline unit and working behind the scene. i saluted those who risked/lost their life so that we can talk nonsense here.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Just think about this, D day during WW2, the woman folding the parachutes believed she deserved a medal for her key role in the battles behind Normandy. She probably never thought about the pilot of the C-3 who braved the AA gun fires to bring the paratroopers to the destination? the fighter escorts? the underground resistance who prepared the landing zone? the paratrooper himself, who jumped from __ft in the dark and landed behind enemy lines? his commander and his fellow paratroopers who fought side by side? the signaller who communicated, the engineers who blew up wire obstacles.....? All of them risked their lives so that the battles could be won!! Do you think this storelady deserved a medal for if she did not fold the parachutes properfly, the battles could not be won?
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u didn't answer my question, all u did was post a UAVOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:By the time we have that technology , we will have UAV mounted with M-60 automatic cannon or that one which you see on A-10 ThunderBolt..which is a GAU-8 cannon 30 mm
1. Friendly/Foe tracking system will be in place
2. Revolutionary design for it to engage enemy planes as well
How powerful will it be? i don't know..all i know is that singapore is gonna rely on more and more technology..
no more guard duty in the future..cheers!
hah, its even more tougher to engage my planes..
There will be an integrated computer flight control system for all of it..
that means..self autopilot and self patrol..
There also will be night vision camera and a sensor to detect human body heat...not to mention a system which can track down I/R missiles aimed at it
If you lock on into it, the system will detect you..and automatically...a automatic self programmed to "engage" you..probably flying at 1,000 feet..
and less vulnearable that those guards..
those guards who hide in 1 checkpoint..enemy just fire 1 RPG ..your gone..
If the plane crash..the guards will be placed on full alert ^^
UAV are way to go for the future!
The UAV are also much more expendable..
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haha... i haven't go tru ns la.. but .. have u read sun tze's art of war ?Originally posted by John Ching:You might want to look back to WWII, Infantry soldiers still had to march on with or without transport. If that discipline is still enforce in todays infantry soldiers, it won't matter if there are logistics or not.
WW II chinese infantry fought the Japs even with swords, kitchen knives, etc.
consider the logistic be4 u even talk abt infantry.. sometihng liddat is written.
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like i said to YI, look at it at a bigger picture.Originally posted by o-lua:haha... i haven't go tru ns la.. but .. have u read sun tze's art of war ?
consider the logistic be4 u even talk abt infantry.. sometihng liddat is written.
shows tt logistic is really vital and a piority..
logistics supply to?
we're not talking about who is important... we're talking about what the army is actually all about. -
Your questions will be answered by a solution : UAV.Originally posted by Geforce3:u didn't answer my question, all u did was post a UAV -
I admit i was a little worked up in those earlier posts, but after reading SBSK's recents posts, especially this one :
* excuse me while i go : WAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Your questions will be answered by a solution : UAV.
I forgive the kid. Probably been watching too much the new Gundam Seed Destiny series now that his exams are over.
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The age-old battle between Logistics and Infantry will never end.Both claim they are the backbone but as long as our fighting force is autonomous, be it human or robotic, they need supplies and re-armament.Bear in mind this is the real world we are talking about, therefore it is not feasible for an individual trooper to carry along all his supplies for the total period of the campaign.The reason why infantry is glorified to such a big extent is due to the coverage given to the grunts as oppossed to the logistics guys who are often behind the scenes.Infantry may be the spearhead of the battlefield but the logistics make up the handle and stick.
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i wonder why and whether there is such a battle in the first place!Originally posted by LazerLordz:The age-old battle between Logistics and Infantry will never end.Both claim they are the backbone but as long as our fighting force is autonomous, be it human or robotic, they need supplies and re-armament.Bear in mind this is the real world we are talking about, therefore it is not feasible for an individual trooper to carry along all his supplies for the total period of the campaign.The reason why infantry is glorified to such a big extent is due to the coverage given to the grunts as oppossed to the logistics guys who are often behind the scenes.Infantry may be the spearhead of the battlefield but the logistics make up the handle and stick.
no single component of the armed force can win a battle, and needless to say, a war, all by itself. if it could, there won't be a need for the redundant service. resources could be better spent somewhere else.
as for glorification, i think the infantry is much less given the limelight than the more elite guards and commando. and even though the artillery is considered a support arm, it is also given alot more emphasis. -
Hear hear !Originally posted by wuming78:i wonder why and whether there is such a battle in the first place!
no single component of the armed force can win a battle, and needless to say, a war, all by itself. if it could, there won't be a need for the redundant service. resources could be better spent somewhere else.
as for glorification, i think the infantry is much less given the limelight than the more elite guards and commando. and even though the artillery is considered a support arm, it is also given alot more emphasis.
Only infantry will understand. Armor/arty/guards/cdo hog the limelight. But who evers remember the infantry, who open up POL, take and/or hold the ground ?
Afterall that's just our job as chao peng kia
. Honor and glory aren't meant for us. Same goes for the field engineers. Who the heck remembers the field engineers ? -
Only during WW1 were battles fought between infantry fighting from trenches. During WW2, other units were formed, besides the air forces and the navy. Many crucial battles on land were fought with paratroopers behind enemy lines (operation market garden), marines fighting from island to island (battles in the pacific), armour leading the assults in breakthrough of enemy defences(The Blitzkrieg).... Even the engineers were deployed in the front in Yom Kippur War by the Eygptian army, using high pressure water jet to reduce the sand dune built by the Isrealis. In modern warfare the signallers play more significant role in coordinating fires to prevent bombing friendly forces. The ultimate winner or loser of a war is not one particular unit, but the whole armed forces and the nation.Originally posted by meander:Hear hear !
Only infantry will understand. Armor/arty/guards/cdo hog the limelight. But who evers remember the infantry, who open up POL, take and/or hold the ground ?
Afterall that's just our job as chao peng kia. Honor and glory aren't meant for us. Same goes for the field engineers. Who the heck remembers the field engineers ?
Honor and glory go to the units which accomplished their missions, won the war ultimately and survived!!