Does abusing soldiers makes them tougher?
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Our Singapore army???
It will onli make the Medical centre busier with the sudden rise in the number or report sick personnel.ha -
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I prefer moderate toughen in training. Always explain the need for certain tough actions before moving forward with the training program.
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hazing can be useful...if kept within reasonable bounds. (admittedly, lining up new soldiers and kicking them down one by one is a bit harsh...
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also, the worst only lasts for a (relatively) short time. once you become a senior towards the end of your service, it becomes your turn the haze the ####ing new guys!!!
bwahahahaha!!!
ok, it's definately not the best leadership method, but it gets the job done, without any "touchy-feely" cr@p... considering the military's low budget, poor resouces, forced condscription system, and also the high possibility of being sent to actual combat, it's kinda inevitable something like this would emerge within the enlisted ranks...
so, does it make them tougher? yes
does it make them better soldiers? to a certain extent, yes (altough exactly to what extent, is debatable....)
keep in mind: russia is not the only country with an instituionalised hazing system. other countries practice it as well, to varying degrees - including south korea (where i'm from, btw...) in fact, russia's and korea's military share a number of striking similarities, except that korea's is a lot better, but i may be a little bit biased on this point... -
I'm very sorry. But i have no problem with the link at all.Originally posted by kops21:HELLO, yr link got spyware !!!!!!
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I prefer moderate toughen in training. Always explain the need for certain tough actions before moving forward with the training program. -
So does these kind of things happen to you before? Since you are from South Korea. I assume that you a Korean male who serve in the Military before. Do your instructor or officer abused you before? Do you encourage abusing of soldier yourself to toughen them up?Originally posted by comberbache:hazing can be useful...if kept within reasonable bounds. (admittedly, lining up new soldiers and kicking them down one by one is a bit harsh... )
also, the worst only lasts for a (relatively) short time. once you become a senior towards the end of your service, it becomes your turn the haze the ####ing new guys!!! bwahahahaha!!!
ok, it's definately not the best leadership method, but it gets the job done, without any "touchy-feely" cr@p... considering the military's low budget, poor resouces, forced condscription system, and also the high possibility of being sent to actual combat, it's kinda inevitable something like this would emerge within the enlisted ranks...
so, does it make them tougher? yes
does it make them better soldiers? to a certain extent, yes (altough exactly to what extent, is debatable....)
keep in mind: russia is not the only country with an instituionalised hazing system. other countries practice it as well, to varying degrees - including south korea (where i'm from, btw...) in fact, russia's and korea's military share a number of striking similarities, except that korea's is a lot better, but i may be a little bit biased on this point...
I heard that North Korea also have these kind of system where soldier are abused. Would you mind telling me more.
Could you tell me more about your National Service? What kind of training did you undergo. Share with me please.
I guess Korean National Service is a hell lots tougher than Singaporean National Service! -
Is he from the ROKAF?Originally posted by want to know:So does these kind of things happen to you before? Since you are from South Korea. I assume that you a Korean male who serve in the Military before. Do your instructor or officer abused you before? Do you encourage abusing of soldier yourself to toughen them up?
I heard that North Korea also have these kind of system where soldier are abused. Would you mind telling me more.
Could you tell me more about your National Service? What kind of training did you undergo. Share with me please.
I guess Korean National Service is a hell lots tougher than Singaporean National Service!
Or are you ass_u_ming?
Maybe we should make NS just like a holiday chalet.
Then there will be no complaints whatsover.
Bottom line, something has to be done to convert a Civilian into a Soldier.
You dont do it by putting him in a bunk that has more luxuries than a five star hotel. -
no way, it does not make them tougher, it just makes them more bitter.
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ohhh yeah sure it works. They're really tough, like, when rigor mortis sets in you know. Yeah. Word.Originally posted by want to know: -
Singaporean males are waterdown versions of the days before. Most of them can't even endure the slightest bit of physical exercise and they start to malinger. I am really doubtful of Singapore's survival in a real war.
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" What does not kill you only makes you stronger "
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I personally would feel better going to Iraq with a motivated mate then to have a mentally unstable mate, due to abusive trainning", lossing it & shooting at everything including me also.Originally posted by JusticeLegal:Singaporean males are waterdown versions of the days before. Most of them can't even endure the slightest bit of physical exercise and they start to malinger. I am really doubtful of Singapore's survival in a real war.
Having said that, I also believed that peace time trainning shouldn't be too light physically but not abusive. It should be motivable( I don't think its a recognise english word ). Otherwise, there won't be any soldier ready to fight with you. -
the problem is that some of them do die..Originally posted by meander:" What does not kill you only makes you stronger "
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not to mention a increase in soldiers calling the SAF counseling hotline. haOriginally posted by Patrik:Our Singapore army???
It will onli make the Medical centre busier with the sudden rise in the number or report sick personnel.ha -
I'm sure you can endure lots of physical exercise, now do 100 push ups or else I kick your ass!!Originally posted by JusticeLegal:Singaporean males are waterdown versions of the days before. Most of them can't even endure the slightest bit of physical exercise and they start to malinger. I am really doubtful of Singapore's survival in a real war. -
The problem with mindless, siong tekan is that while it makes disciplined soldiers, it creates some pretty rigid, dumb soldiers as well... you know what they want nowadays, thinking soldiers...
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Hang on - what's the definition of "abuse" here? (Didn't click on the links after the spyware warning.)
If it infers tekan-ing, as locally defined, I'm not against that - since I'm supposedly from the 2G Army that believed in the philosophy of "tear apart the civilian personality, in order to build a soldier profile". Been there, done that. -
train like the warriors of old lakedemon!
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Vietnam, the VCs were not even well trained soldiers yet they were motivated enough to fight the Japs, Frenchies & the Americans. Suicide bombers are also not being tekan until they volunteer for mission. So why the need to tekan your own soldiers? Its all about motivating person to fight as a soldier. Soldiers are not born to be, they are all made to be.Originally posted by Moxie:Hang on - what's the definition of "abuse" here? (Didn't click on the links after the spyware warning.)
If it infers tekan-ing, as locally defined, I'm not against that - since I'm supposedly from the 2G Army that believed in the philosophy of "tear apart the civilian personality, in order to build a soldier profile". Been there, done that. -
and when you do die, and rigor mortis sets in, sureeee u'd be tough as hell.Originally posted by meander:" What does not kill you only makes you stronger "
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heartily agree.Originally posted by John Ching:Vietnam, the VCs were not even well trained soldiers yet they were motivated enough to fight the Japs, Frenchies & the Americans. Suicide bombers are also not being tekan until they volunteer for mission. So why the need to tekan your own soldiers? Its all about motivating person to fight as a soldier. Soldiers are not born to be, they are all made to be. -
But the VCs are very tough. They are able to take hardship and suffering.Originally posted by John Ching:Vietnam, the VCs were not even well trained soldiers yet they were motivated enough to fight the Japs, Frenchies & the Americans. Suicide bombers are also not being tekan until they volunteer for mission. So why the need to tekan your own soldiers? Its all about motivating person to fight as a soldier. Soldiers are not born to be, they are all made to be. -
Does it mean that Singapore National Service is the easiest in the world? Are Singaporean soldier sissy? May be it is no wonder people look down on Singaporean!
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Not necessary in Singapore cos... hey, who are we gonna fight?
But in Israeli specs forces, thery have a course in combat survival called 'Krav Maga' or 'contact combat'... Trainees are simply bashed up by several instructors...
They think it is necessary to make their soldiers be comfortable with contact... Though in recent times, they have modified it after some trainees sustained permanent injuries...
Abuse seems a little extreme, but our soldiers need to be trained to be comfortable with 'contact' for personal survival IF there is a war... either through boxing matches, unarmed combat or some form of 'contact' training... Cos there's no guarantee you won't run out of ammo when the enemy is in the same trench as you! -
ask you guys a question, do u guys HONESTLY BELIEVE the crap that our soldiers can fight to win a war? the bulk of our soldiers come not from regular serice or even NSF but from the Reservists. yet looking at the attitute of the reservists, i have very serious doubts. and these R the ones who went tru the so-called 2G trg. hmm. r they tough? most of them r so fat n flabby even a pig would b ashamed!!
and let's not forget that singapore isn't that great an area after all. by the time war reaches our shores, they'll be within striking distances of every important place we have here. so where do we fight our wars? of course overseas right? is anyone so naive as to think that all countries allow uarmed forces to land on their lands and procede to blast say. oh their fields and roads as war explode around them?! NO!
my thinking? singapore will never go to war and if it does, it'll call up the US and other countries for repayment of favours!