RSAF vs IAF rersults?
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According to the below Indian news report , our F16 is
How true is this news article ?
Don't fret if Pak gets F-16s
RAJAT PANDIT
TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2004 11:24:29 PM ]
NEW DELHI: India need not lose sleep even if Pakistan manages to acquire more F-16 fighters from the US. After plastering American combat pilots in an exercise earlier this year, IAF top guns now have another reason to be gung ho: their top-notch mean machines have proved more than a match for F-16s, the much-vaunted 'fighting falcons'.
Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKI jets are apparently outgunning American F-16s on "several aspects" at the ongoing Indo-Singapore air combat exercise in Gwalior.
This is the first-ever face-off between these two sophisticated war machines originating from the two former Cold War adversaries.
"Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems. Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources
IAF is pitting even its MiG-21s, which constitute over 45% of India's combat fleet, against F-16s during the 'Sindex-Ankush' exercise in Gwalior.
"Ever since the Pakistanis acquired F-16s from the US in the mid-1980s, we wanted to size them up. So, we are matching almost all our planes with F-16s of the Singapore Air Force, which are more advanced than the F-16s of Pakistan," said sources.
The IAF has also tasked its elite combat school to develop manoeuvres for MiG-21s to elude the radar cones of F-16s.
IAF spokesperson Squadron Leader Mahesh Upasani only said, "Results of the exercise will be assessed only after the debrief. It's premature to comment at this stage."
Instead of F-16s, the US had fielded the F-15C Eagles during the Cope India-04 exercise in February. So, the decks were promptly cleared when Singapore came knocking for training facilities with its F-16s.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-896301,curpg-1.cms -
Originally posted by sg1960:
Yes the SU-30 have the upper hand from the start.
According to the below Indian news report , our F16 is
How true is this news article ?
Don't fret if Pak gets F-16s
RAJAT PANDIT
TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2004 11:24:29 PM ]
NEW DELHI: India need not lose sleep even if Pakistan manages to acquire more F-16 fighters from the US. After plastering American combat pilots in an exercise earlier this year, IAF top guns now have another reason to be gung ho: their top-notch mean machines have proved more than a match for F-16s, the much-vaunted 'fighting falcons'.
Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKI jets are apparently outgunning American F-16s on "several aspects" at the ongoing Indo-Singapore air combat exercise in Gwalior.
This is the first-ever face-off between these two sophisticated war machines originating from the two former Cold War adversaries.
[b]"Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems. Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources
IAF is pitting even its MiG-21s, which constitute over 45% of India's combat fleet, against F-16s during the 'Sindex-Ankush' exercise in Gwalior.
"Ever since the Pakistanis acquired F-16s from the US in the mid-1980s, we wanted to size them up. So, we are matching almost all our planes with F-16s of the Singapore Air Force, which are more advanced than the F-16s of Pakistan," said sources.
The IAF has also tasked its elite combat school to develop manoeuvres for MiG-21s to elude the radar cones of F-16s.
IAF spokesperson Squadron Leader Mahesh Upasani only said, "Results of the exercise will be assessed only after the debrief. It's premature to comment at this stage."
Instead of F-16s, the US had fielded the F-15C Eagles during the Cope India-04 exercise in February. So, the decks were promptly cleared when Singapore came knocking for training facilities with its F-16s.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-896301,curpg-1.cms
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But that does not mean we have to worry much.
All this are more of a air to air controlled tests. Regardless Singapore relies more of F16 on a air to ground role which is more of its primary purpose. Piting it air to air with a Su-30 is definitely with advantage on the su-30 side.
With the SU-30 have 2 more powerful engine, in a situation, that it found itself to be disadvantaged, it just have to full power and get out of the fight, as F-16 does not have that engine power to follow.
However in real combat situation, by doing that F-16s may have achieved the goal of interception, even if SU-30 does that, it cannot say that it won, as it have used up valuable fuel in doing that and unable to complete the rest of the mission effectively. -
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RSAF didn't spent millions upgrading it to worthy of Israeli's F-16 C/D ..
and to be defeated in India..
Time to get F-16 I Sufa as NGF!! -
How do you pit a SEAD and CAP oriented fighter against an interceptoran expect a fair and balanced result?The fact that both are almost equal in ability already says as much about the F-16's ability to be an all-rounded fighter,While it does not have the top speed of a SU-30, it does have better agility in tight turns and dogfight manuevers.Any advantage gained by long-range combat radius is neutralised to a certain extent by BVR missiles.Therefore, the field is skewed.We need not lose too much sleep over this.
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Originally posted by sg1960:
I guess it doesn't really matter considering the record of number of MIGs & SU crashes. As to the technology in their aircraft, it remain questionable.
According to the below Indian news report , our F16 is
How true is this news article ?
Don't fret if Pak gets F-16s
RAJAT PANDIT
TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2004 11:24:29 PM ]
NEW DELHI: India need not lose sleep even if Pakistan manages to acquire more F-16 fighters from the US. After plastering American combat pilots in an exercise earlier this year, IAF top guns now have another reason to be gung ho: their top-notch mean machines have proved more than a match for F-16s, the much-vaunted 'fighting falcons'.
Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKI jets are apparently outgunning American F-16s on "several aspects" at the ongoing Indo-Singapore air combat exercise in Gwalior.
This is the first-ever face-off between these two sophisticated war machines originating from the two former Cold War adversaries.
[b]"Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems. Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources
IAF is pitting even its MiG-21s, which constitute over 45% of India's combat fleet, against F-16s during the 'Sindex-Ankush' exercise in Gwalior.
"Ever since the Pakistanis acquired F-16s from the US in the mid-1980s, we wanted to size them up. So, we are matching almost all our planes with F-16s of the Singapore Air Force, which are more advanced than the F-16s of Pakistan," said sources.
The IAF has also tasked its elite combat school to develop manoeuvres for MiG-21s to elude the radar cones of F-16s.
IAF spokesperson Squadron Leader Mahesh Upasani only said, "Results of the exercise will be assessed only after the debrief. It's premature to comment at this stage."
Instead of F-16s, the US had fielded the F-15C Eagles during the Cope India-04 exercise in February. So, the decks were promptly cleared when Singapore came knocking for training facilities with its F-16s.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-896301,curpg-1.cms
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Who knows what kind of RoE did the Indians set? Like that of Cope India.
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x 2Originally posted by John Ching:I guess it doesn't really matter considering the record of number of MIGs & SU crashes. . -
here.
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Originally posted by sg1960:
Did the former iraq information minster went to India to train the newspaper folks in India. LOL !!!
According to the below Indian news report , our F16 is
How true is this news article ?
Don't fret if Pak gets F-16s
RAJAT PANDIT
TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ FRIDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2004 11:24:29 PM ]
NEW DELHI: India need not lose sleep even if Pakistan manages to acquire more F-16 fighters from the US. After plastering American combat pilots in an exercise earlier this year, IAF top guns now have another reason to be gung ho: their top-notch mean machines have proved more than a match for F-16s, the much-vaunted 'fighting falcons'.
Russian-origin Sukhoi-30MKI jets are apparently outgunning American F-16s on "several aspects" at the ongoing Indo-Singapore air combat exercise in Gwalior.
This is the first-ever face-off between these two sophisticated war machines originating from the two former Cold War adversaries.
[b]"Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems. Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources
IAF is pitting even its MiG-21s, which constitute over 45% of India's combat fleet, against F-16s during the 'Sindex-Ankush' exercise in Gwalior.
"Ever since the Pakistanis acquired F-16s from the US in the mid-1980s, we wanted to size them up. So, we are matching almost all our planes with F-16s of the Singapore Air Force, which are more advanced than the F-16s of Pakistan," said sources.
The IAF has also tasked its elite combat school to develop manoeuvres for MiG-21s to elude the radar cones of F-16s.
IAF spokesperson Squadron Leader Mahesh Upasani only said, "Results of the exercise will be assessed only after the debrief. It's premature to comment at this stage."
Instead of F-16s, the US had fielded the F-15C Eagles during the Cope India-04 exercise in February. So, the decks were promptly cleared when Singapore came knocking for training facilities with its F-16s.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-896301,curpg-1.cms
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no lah...not quite the same style. if MSS really want trained the indian newspapermen they'd be saying, "i triple guarantee you, there are no F-16s in India! never!" or "their F-16s are not worth an old shoe".Originally posted by storywolf:Did the former iraq information minster went to India to train the newspaper folks in India. LOL !!!
Same style !!!
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properganda?
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Whatever the outcome, I'm not losing any sleep. IAF pilots experience a more hostile situation than what our pilots experience.
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well say..Originally posted by tripwire:"Our Sukhois are doing very well against the F-16Cs (of Singapore Air Force) in terms of manoeuvrability, sophistication of avionics and weapon systems.
Similarly, our MiG-29s and Mirage-2000s are also matching up to the F-16s," say IAF sources
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actually it would help if they cut the diplomatic speech and get down to the bottomline of which side won.....
words like "doing very well" and "matching up to" are very diplomatic sentences...
you could be deemed "doing very well" even if you lost (not too badly, or not as bad as anticipated)... and you could actually be "matching up to" even if you lost totally under certain opinions... like old plane vs new plane... blah blah...
i will wait and see..... if additional info comes out....
for obvious reason... given india's perculiar political situations... it would be most embarassing to the indian govt.. if its latest plane got trashed...
lets just wait for the final report....
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Young boy, our F16 really kana beaten in india. I don't have to go into details...like where I got my info from.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:bs..
RSAF didn't spent millions upgrading it to worthy of Israeli's F-16 C/D ..
and to be defeated in India..
Time to get F-16 I Sufa as NGF!! -
We really need to be worry! Malaysia has already signed the deal to get Su30MMK and we haven't even finalised our Rafale,Euro,F-15T! The Su 30MMK r really no easy meat!
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to a certain extent... its the pilot.
where was an A4 pilot who could beat f-16 pilots in a dog fight.
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erm..is SU-30MKMOriginally posted by zenden9:We really need to be worry! Malaysia has already signed the deal to get Su30MMK and we haven't even finalised our Rafale,Euro,F-15T! The Su 30MMK r really no easy meat! -
no worries... whether that aircraft have even enough spares to maintain at least 90% operation capability is another thing.Originally posted by zenden9:We really need to be worry! Malaysia has already signed the deal to get Su30MMK and we haven't even finalised our Rafale,Euro,F-15T! The Su 30MMK r really no easy meat!
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maybe it will crash during its next scheduled flight in another six months?Originally posted by kopiosatu:no worries... whether that aircraft have even enough spares to maintain at least 90% operation capability is another thing. 
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ouch really ar?how badly did we lose?and were the ROE's biased?Originally posted by Manager433:Young boy, our F16 really kana beaten in india. I don't have to go into details...like where I got my info from. -
i would rather wait for the report than believe hearsay.Originally posted by beavan:ouch really ar?how badly did we lose?and were the ROE's biased? -
whether they have wheels or not is a question, hahaha~Originally posted by YI:maybe it will crash during its next scheduled flight in another six months?
from what i know, a wheel... yes, ONE wheel costs... $1X,XXX -
But there's no denying that our pilots train in south china sea and lotsa airspace around the world as well..Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Whatever the outcome, I'm not losing any sleep. IAF pilots experience a more hostile situation than what our pilots experience.
So What If IAF's SU-30 MKM is better?
TUDM's SU-30 pilot could just well more slacker? -
Suppose to be tomorrow's news but I post it here early for all to read.
CHIEF OF AIR FORCE'S INTRODUCTORY VISIT TO INDIA
Singapore's Chief of Air Force Major-General (MG) Lim Kim Choon will be visiting New Delhi, Gwalior, Jodhpur and Agra during his introductory visit to India from 24 to 29 Oct 04. MG Lim will also visit the ongoing exercise between the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) and the Indian Air Force (IAF) at Gwalior Air Force Station. -
great. thanks. but nothing we want..Originally posted by alert5:Suppose to be tomorrow's news but I post it here early for all to read.
CHIEF OF AIR FORCE'S INTRODUCTORY VISIT TO INDIA
Singapore's Chief of Air Force Major-General (MG) Lim Kim Choon will be visiting New Delhi, Gwalior, Jodhpur and Agra during his introductory visit to India from 24 to 29 Oct 04. MG Lim will also visit the ongoing exercise between the Republic of Singapore Air Force (RSAF) and the Indian Air Force (IAF) at Gwalior Air Force Station.