RSAF vs IAF rersults?
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Here's something:
Mindef Press Release: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/display.asp?number=2233
In response to a media query on an Indian newspaper report that Indian Air Force fighters had proved more than a match for the RSAF's F-16s in Exercise SINDEX, the MINDEF Spokesman said:
"We can understand why the Indian media would come out with a sensational story like this.
We are very pleased with the exercise and the performance of the RSAF's pilots and aircraft. The Indian Air Force has been an excellent host, and as their guest, it would not be courteous for us to comment on the specific outcomes of the exercise."
Both air forces found the exercise to be of great professional value. The RSAF certainly looks forward to future such exercises with the Indian Air Force. -
heheh.. another diplomatic speech which tells us nothing. thanks though.Originally posted by aerozapper:Here's something:
Mindef Press Release: http://www.mindef.gov.sg/display.asp?number=2233 In response to a media query on an Indian newspaper report that Indian Air Force fighters had proved more than a match for the RSAF's F-16s in Exercise SINDEX, the MINDEF Spokesman said:
"We can understand why the Indian media would come out with a sensational story like this.
We are very pleased with the exercise and the performance of the RSAF's pilots and aircraft. The Indian Air Force has been an excellent host, and as their guest, it would not be courteous for us to comment on the specific outcomes of the exercise."
Both air forces found the exercise to be of great professional value. The RSAF certainly looks forward to future such exercises with the Indian Air Force.
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Cut out all this diplomatic BS, my guess is a stalemate.
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muahahahahaha typical answer.
at least it doesn't give him a higher chance to get shot. -
We pay millions of dollars..for every F-16 C/D..
and we get this shlt??!!
RSAF went all the way to india to be defeated rofll.. -
Is there a need to point out to you that IAF pilots are all seasoned veterans? Plus the ROE was fixed by them, probably placing our pilots in unfamilar situations. And one other thing:
IT IS NOT A COMPETITION.
So what if we lose? If we learnt something from it, we're still winners in the end.
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Think that SG should publish the true results...we pay our taxes 1 ok!Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Is there a need to point out to you that IAF pilots are all seasoned veterans? Plus the ROE was fixed by them, probably placing our pilots in unfamilar situations. And one other thing:
IT IS NOT A COMPETITION.
So what if we lose? If we learnt something from it, we're still winners in the end.
If mahathir reads it, he will be laughing all the way with his 18 SU-30 MKM..
and will be even more action
You mean those pilots who fly around in MIG-21 around Kashmir , counted as season??
=D , is there also a need to tell you that for every pilot we have , we can hire X number of IAF pilots? -
Actually it is not right for us to comment as we are their guest
But seriously, India's arms arsenal is quite strong now... -
That doesn't mean you own or control them. This is NOT the US, wake up.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Think that SG should publish the true results...we pay our taxes 1 ok! -
SBSK, this is just an joint exercise to test our pilots skills
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you don't pay tax. why are you complaining.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Think that SG should publish the true results...we pay our taxes 1 ok!
pilots pay tax too. -
true.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:That doesn't mean you own or control them. This is NOT the US, wake up.
even if its a "loss", it will be taken as a lesson learnt, without lives lost.
if you keep harping on losing, then you've got learn alot more to learn in life. -
Last Feburary, the IAF pitted Mig 21, 27 and 30 against US F15's.
The US were taken by surprise at the quality of the pilots there & realised that they (US pilots) had more to learn.
Read full details at http://www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2004/1004train.asp
the magazine is Air Force Magazine.
In any case, the EX allowed RASF to pit their skills against Mig29s'. -
Im beginning to lose my confidence on RSAF after this matter..
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have fun.Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Im beginning to lose my confidence on RSAF after this matter.. -
Well, F-15E has lost out in radar...Originally posted by landwarrior99:Last Feburary, the IAF pitted Mig 21, 27 and 30 against US F15's.
The US were taken by surprise at the quality of the pilots there & realised that they (US pilots) had more to learn.
Read full details at http://www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2004/1004train.asp
the magazine is Air Force Magazine.
In any case, the EX allowed RASF to pit their skills against Mig29s'. -
As others have said, the point of the exercise is not who wins or loses. The point of the exercise is to improve your skills. In fact, it is likely that the ROEs and types of exercises were purposefully set to be difficult for our pilots so that they learn more. After all, you learn more when things go wrong.
For example, in the IAF vs USAF F-15 exercise, the Indians beat the US pilots, but they outnumbered the US pilots 2 to 1, disallowed US AMRAAMs and phased array radar, and only practiced ground-controlled intercept (no US AWACS). This is a worst case situation for the US pilots and it is unsurprising that they were beaten. But the point is for the US pilots to learn more. Otherwise, the whole exercise simply becomes the US pilots getting an intercept from AWACS, acquiring the targets from long range with the advanced radar, shooting lots of AMRAAMs from BVR and flying home. You can do that in a simulator, no need to go to India. Of course it is not fair to the US pilots, but that's the point.
The same thing probably applies for this exercise. The point is not a fair fight to see whose dick is longer. The point is to challenge our pilots. Without the specifics of the exercise scenario it is impossible to gauge the outcome. We probably fought with no AWACS (I did not hear that we sent our AWACS there), and no AMRAAMs.
There is another reason why these exercises are so artificial -- you don't want to reveal your true capabilities to another country, even a friendly one. For example, in naval exercises, submarines are purposefully modified so that they sound different from normal, so that other the countries in the exercise cannot obtain the submarine's sound signature. I doubt we showed the Indians all of our goodies, and I doubt the Indians showed us all of theirs. Enough said.
I wouldn't worry too much about the report. The Indians have a strong interest in projecting an image of superiority over Pakistan, and their press is very free. This is not very diplomatic of them, but they can't control their newspapers. As long as our pilots learn something (like how to combat Su-30s), the exercise is a success. -
Well, we can learn things from the exercise...Originally posted by SibeiSuayKia:Im beginning to lose my confidence on RSAF after this matter.. -
Whatever the results I am sure RASF will have gain very inside of the strength and weakness of both the F-16 and Su30.
I am sure with the RASF have already plan for that, that why they are already been looking at the rafale, eurofighter and F-15.
I am sure after this exercise, it will help us to map out our needs more to select the better fighter against Su30. Possible also help to justify the high cost in getting the eurofighter and also push forward the timetable for more advance fighters like F-35.
Possible it may turn out to be a good thing for us. -
Wolf, this time round they are looking into cutting cost for the NGF as well... Like joint weapon usage so onOriginally posted by storywolf:Whatever the results I am sure RASF will have gain very inside of the strength and weakness of both the F-16 and Su30.
I am sure with the RASF have already plan for that, that why they are already been looking at the rafale, eurofighter and F-15.
I am sure after this exercise, it will help us to map out our needs more to select the better fighter against Su30. Possible also help to justify the high cost in getting the eurofighter and also push forward the timetable for more advance fighters like F-35.
Possible it may turn out to be a good thing for us. -
agree, there is nothing wrong if it is true that RSAF lost out this time. it is better to learn lessons now than to realise our shortcomings in real combat.Originally posted by storywolf:Whatever the results I am sure RASF will have gain very inside of the strength and weakness of both the F-16 and Su30.
I am sure with the RASF have already plan for that, that why they are already been looking at the rafale, eurofighter and F-15.
I am sure after this exercise, it will help us to map out our needs more to select the better fighter against Su30. Possible also help to justify the high cost in getting the eurofighter and also push forward the timetable for more advance fighters like F-35.
Possible it may turn out to be a good thing for us. -
so it means that we might have lost in theory, but overall in our eyes we still "won?"
wow cool........ -
thanks. reading them now.Originally posted by landwarrior99:Last Feburary, the IAF pitted Mig 21, 27 and 30 against US F15's.
The US were taken by surprise at the quality of the pilots there & realised that they (US pilots) had more to learn.
Read full details at http://www.afa.org/magazine/Oct2004/1004train.asp
the magazine is Air Force Magazine.
In any case, the EX allowed RASF to pit their skills against Mig29s'. -
Definately lah! Do u expect to read something like " Our Su-30s were fried by visiting F-16s from Singapore!"? All said many factors detemine the outcome of a dog fight so dun read too much into it.Originally posted by branzzz:properganda? -
well say. i am much relieved now.Originally posted by dkhoo:As others have said, the point of the exercise is not who wins or loses. The point of the exercise is to improve your skills. In fact, it is likely that the ROEs and types of exercises were purposefully set to be difficult for our pilots so that they learn more. After all, you learn more when things go wrong.
For example, in the IAF vs USAF F-15 exercise, the Indians beat the US pilots, but they outnumbered the US pilots 2 to 1, disallowed US AMRAAMs and phased array radar, and only practiced ground-controlled intercept (no US AWACS). This is a worst case situation for the US pilots and it is unsurprising that they were beaten. But the point is for the US pilots to learn more. Otherwise, the whole exercise simply becomes the US pilots getting an intercept from AWACS, acquiring the targets from long range with the advanced radar, shooting lots of AMRAAMs from BVR and flying home. You can do that in a simulator, no need to go to India. Of course it is not fair to the US pilots, but that's the point.
The same thing probably applies for this exercise. The point is not a fair fight to see whose dick is longer. The point is to challenge our pilots. Without the specifics of the exercise scenario it is impossible to gauge the outcome. We probably fought with no AWACS (I did not hear that we sent our AWACS there), and no AMRAAMs.
There is another reason why these exercises are so artificial -- you don't want to reveal your true capabilities to another country, even a friendly one. For example, in naval exercises, submarines are purposefully modified so that they sound different from normal, so that other the countries in the exercise cannot obtain the submarine's sound signature. I doubt we showed the Indians all of our goodies, and I doubt the Indians showed us all of theirs. Enough said.
I wouldn't worry too much about the report. The Indians have a strong interest in projecting an image of superiority over Pakistan, and their press is very free. This is not very diplomatic of them, but they can't control their newspapers. As long as our pilots learn something (like how to combat Su-30s), the exercise is a success.