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Looks like I'm heading to tekong BMTC Sch 1 for Enhanced BMT on January 7 2005.What is Enhanced MBT exactly?I thought that you only do that if you didn't take Napfa?Enhanced BMT means extended PTP right?
I'm at PES A,Silver for Napfa which I dd take.Is there some sort of cock-up? -
cocking up is part n parcel of saf...
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Enhanced BMT is the commander's BMT.You might be selected for SISPEC, OCS or any other Spec courses.
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Actually enhanced BMT is just normal BMT. After PTP, the recruits all proceed for "enhanced" BMT. No big deal, it's just a term of reference for direct intake to differentiate from the PTP people.
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can I get into Guards or Cdo from Enhanced BMT?
also,is it possible to sign up for the Ranger course if you are normal infantry? -
hohohoho pray you won't see me there..
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ranger course is no joke, man.
how come siao on until like that? unless you are signing on, why put youeself at risk of sustaining injuries that may last whole life? -
I like a challenge.just want to test my limits.I'm looking at the whole NS thing as an adventure and challenge.
So to say,I like to "Jump Feetfirst into Hell". -
jump where you can land....
haha from what i heard about the ranger course,its pretty much STUPID to go for it unless u want to screw ur mind up...i dun really know the details but its pretty hard up on people..unless u have a super strong body and a mind that doesn't allow u to give up... -
Actually if you're thinking of getting into these formations as a normal private, chances are very very low. You can however get posted to these units upon passing out from SISPEC or OCS. Ranger course is open to everyone, so I heard, as long as they pass the selection and their unit allows them to go for it.Originally posted by Sardaukar:can I get into Guards or Cdo from Enhanced BMT?
also,is it possible to sign up for the Ranger course if you are normal infantry? -
Word of advice.Originally posted by Sardaukar:I like a challenge.just want to test my limits.I'm looking at the whole NS thing as an adventure and challenge.
So to say,I like to "Jump Feetfirst into Hell".
Don't.
Not unless you ace your BMT... then maybe you can consider.
Because it is widely recognised that the US Ranger Cse pushes a man to 75% of his capability.
Considering that most people think 25% is hard work....
You do the math. -
NS can still be an adventure without going for the Ranger course. It all depends on luck of the draw and how siao your unit commander is (or how much balls he wants to carry by volunteering your unit for every available excercises)
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wrong... there's normal bmt and enhanced bmt. enhanced for command sch batch. while normal bmt is for 'man' batch.Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Actually enhanced BMT is just normal BMT. After PTP, the recruits all proceed for "enhanced" BMT. No big deal, it's just a term of reference for direct intake to differentiate from the PTP people. -
Its been 5 years since I was a 2IC in BMTC2. Hope the below still applies.
Normal BMT... Its the standard package, you need to complete and pass the following, IPPT, SOC and IFC. I shall not go into details.
Enhanced BMT... you got extra training like SIT Test, and some other classroom instruction courses. The passing mark will still be the 3 essentials, IPPT, SOC and IFC.
SIT Test will be held as a field camp. Its to evaluate the soldier's leadership competency but most Instructors have a very dim view of how the Test properly stimulate a soldier's inherent ability to lead.
Most of the extra classroom instructions will be along the lines of indoctrination, videos and discussions to elicit soldier's responses, check their mentality.
I'm not current, so I hope there are some other forumers who can come forward and tell us more.
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Congrats, Sardaukar, but don't get overly ambitious yet.
Ace your BMT first. Aim for the Best Trainee shortlist to get yourself to OCS or SISPEC, & then reevaluate your chances of getting to the elite formations from there. Those are the only 2 routes available, since you won't be joining them via the mono-intake BMT. -
actually, the only way to get into the cdos - can't speak for guards - is to be enlisted via their mono-intakes. as an nsf from bmtc you cannot be posted to the commandos either straight after bmt, or even if you go to sispec or ocs first.Originally posted by Moxie:Congrats, Sardaukar, but don't get overly ambitious yet.
Ace your BMT first. Aim for the Best Trainee shortlist to get yourself to OCS or SISPEC, & then reevaluate your chances of getting to the elite formations from there. Those are the only 2 routes available, since you won't be joining them via the mono-intake BMT.
incidentally obersturmfuhrer and moxie, why do you guys say this is possible? any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise? its just that as far as i know this hasn't happened before.
so really, right now the only way you can get into the commandos is to sign on and pass ATCOR (selection test for cdo regular-wannabes) and subsequently clear cdo trg.
as for ranger course - how about you try serving some time in the army first? no offence but maybe you're still a little fuzzy on what you'd be getting yourself into. lots of people are all gungho and all before they enlist, but after a week or two of the saf all that enthusiasm fizzles right out. get a taste of things first. -
incidentally obersturmfuhrer and moxie, why do you guys say this is possible? any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise? its just that as far as i know this hasn't happened before.
So it's the other way around? I stand corrected.
ORD'd a long time ago; my understanding was built from the days when they were all under 7 SIB: 1st GDS/SAFGU, 2nd GDS/8 SIR, 1st CDO, 10th CDO, School of Commando Training, & later 3rd GDS/7 SIR. -
Correction, I never said "its possible", I merely stated that chances are very low as I am not 100% certain of this fact. There are also no known directives that forbid the posting of BMT recruits to Cdo vocation. However, posting to Cdo after commissioning as an officer is something that I'm certain is possible.Originally posted by quivalen:incidentally obersturmfuhrer and moxie, why do you guys say this is possible? any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise? its just that as far as i know this hasn't happened before. -
well as far as i know yep, mono-intake is the only way. or at least as far as i've seen. like obersturmfuhrer says there may not be any specific directive saying so but just the same i've never heard of it happening.Originally posted by Moxie:So it's the other way around? I stand corrected.
wow, when was that? must've been wayyy back when.
ORD'd a long time ago; my understanding was built from the days when they were all under 7 SIB: 1st GDS/SAFGU, 2nd GDS/8 SIR, 1st CDO, 10th CDO, School of Commando Training, & later 3rd GDS/7 SIR. -
err...care to share?Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:However, posting to Cdo after commissioning as an officer is something that I'm certain is possible.
i'm assuming we're talking about posting to CDO as a CDO OFFR, not DyS4 or some other non-combat vocation. and as an NSF. -
well as far as i know yep, mono-intake is the only way. or at least as far as i've seen. like obersturmfuhrer says there may not be any specific directive saying so but just the same i've never heard of it happening.
Now that I've slept on the topic, I still think it's possible. Don't quote me on it, though ~lol~
SISPEC training is still split beween BSLC & ASLC, right? If that's the case, I don't see how it could hinder the continuation training for, say, a physically-qualified Sardaukar who wanna sign on with the CDOs when doing his BSLC. Just like the top BSLC trainees could be siphoned on to OCS, a newly-contracted regular could be transferred on (rather than do ASLC to complete infantry/guards specializartion).
Or are things so rigid that they make him redo BMT at Hendon, or exclude him totally for not progressing via the mono-intake route? That's far-fetched.
[NB. Not advocating advancing conscripted BSLC trainees on to the CDOs, even as an incentive.]ORD'd a long time ago; my understanding was built from the days when they were all under 7 SIB: 1st GDS/SAFGU, 2nd GDS/8 SIR, 1st CDO, 10th CDO, School of Commando Training, & later 3rd GDS/7 SIR.
Those changes were about 5 years before my time, at the start of the '80s or so. It came roughly together with the introduction of the IPPT system, if I recall.
Browsed through some reference book & spotted the differences between then & now.
Now :- HQ Infantry takes charge of, for both infantry & Guards, the training of its recruits (via BMTC), specialists (via SISPEC) & reservists (via ITC & BCTC). The CDOs, as well as OCS, are outside of this organizational structure.
Then :- 7 SIB, while one of 3 "active" brigades, was very much the personification of "kings of combat." It had elite elements like the CDOs & SAFGU (along with 7 SIR & 8 SIR) & also, as I remember, took charge of ITD (predecessor of BMTC) training as well. Its sub-unit, the SCT, led the way in instructor training, particularly grooming NCO trainers who would mentor for the RDF conversion. The CDOs, thus, was very much a prominent "conventional" team player then.
Also, the SAF emphasis of those days that all servicemen must go through the same BMT - Army, Air Force, Navy; combat, technican, service; elite, non-elite - was one thing that distinguished us from other armed forces, believe it or not. That's why I presumed there could be some flexibility in training-course continuation, esp. for new regulars (don't make sense if not). With the NSFs, it's certainly applicable, as said, for the top SISPEC trainees-to-OCS route. -
Yes, I can be certain of it coz a few of my friends got posted to the battalion after commissioning as PCs. And NO, I am unable to share further info since a few of them proceeded into classified unit.Originally posted by quivalen:err...care to share?
i'm assuming we're talking about posting to CDO as a CDO OFFR, not DyS4 or some other non-combat vocation. and as an NSF.
While there may not be instances of BMT recruits joining Cdo, as long as there are no directives forbidding that from happening, I dun see why there won't be any such instances in future since the chance is always there. Which is why I will not put it as impossible. -
i had been told by some ex cdo friends that going down personally to CMPB and Hendon camp to make known your wish to enter Cdo helps alot.
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normal bmt quite rare in bmtc now, bmtc normally reserved for poly and air lebel studentsOriginally posted by Si Geena:Its been 5 years since I was a 2IC in BMTC2. Hope the below still applies.
Normal BMT... Its the standard package, you need to complete and pass the following, IPPT, SOC and IFC. I shall not go into details.
Enhanced BMT... you got extra training like SIT Test, and some other classroom instruction courses. The passing mark will still be the 3 essentials, IPPT, SOC and IFC.
SIT Test will be held as a field camp. Its to evaluate the soldier's leadership competency but most Instructors have a very dim view of how the Test properly stimulate a soldier's inherent ability to lead.
Most of the extra classroom instructions will be along the lines of indoctrination, videos and discussions to elicit soldier's responses, check their mentality.
I'm not current, so I hope there are some other forumers who can come forward and tell us more. -
personally that sounds extremely suspicious to me, but if you say so...Originally posted by Obersturmfuhrer:Yes, I can be certain of it coz a few of my friends got posted to the battalion after commissioning as PCs.
see, thing is, cdo offrs don't go to ocs straight from bmt like in bmtc, but rather after their bmt they do basic cdo trg (bct), then the more outstanding guys will be selected for commando section leader course - conducted locally i.e. in hendon by the now notorious cdo trg wing and not in sispec - and then the best of the cslc go to ocs after clearing basic airborne mod 1.
so if, as you say, an officer who started out in bmtc is posted to hendon as a cdo offr, he would only go through the cdo offr conversion course (cocc) by ctw (which normal cdo offrs also have to do when they return from ocs). certainly i've never heard of an officer doing bct nor does it sound plausible at all. so the problem is, how can what is basically a vanilla infantry officer be expected to function as a cdo offr with just a month long cocc as training? plus he'd likely get scant respect from both his men and his colleagues.
just the same it seems that nobody here has any proof that it has happened before and so i think sardaukar can forget about this route (if it even exists).And NO, I am unable to share further info since a few of them proceeded into classified unit.[/quote]
that sounds strange too.
classified unit? can't be the sof; they aren't classified nor can an nsf join. nsf joining a classified unit? hmmm...[quote]While there may not be instances of BMT recruits joining Cdo, as long as there are no directives forbidding that from happening, I dun see why there won't be any such instances in future since the chance is always there. Which is why I will not put it as impossible.