I not Christian and won't be... How?
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Relax la klydeer. i think M©+square does not have the intention of which you are mentioning since he is only trying to ask macross a question..
But personally i feel that holy is just a faith in god ba.
Why there are terrorist?
becoz they wanna purify their once holy land which is being "conquered" by foreign life. I was taught that life is equal, but many religion puts themself into a position which proclaim to be the highest or rather closest to god. If that's the case when will there be peace?
I am not in any religion not becoz i dun like any, its just that if faith is so strong to substain or to kill, i wun wanna do that.
For edomonda,
I strongly feel that you should consider evaluate your partner again since she can say things like "i might chose a christian in the future" which signifies how strong her love for you is while your love for her might not be full appreciated by her. No point going into a religion for the sake of love if not in the end it will lead to more trouble and confliction between you and your partner.
Anyway alot of the forum-ners already said that having wedding at a church you does not need to be a christian to held a wed there. Thats plain ridiculous. -
Hi everyone,Originally posted by edemonda:I have a dilemma.
I have a girlfriend of almost 3 years. The problem is that she's a devout Christian and I'm not. It's not as if I haven't tried. I followed her to church for a year and still couldn't be convinced about god's existence. She said she wants to get married in her church in future. But it is impossible unless I am also a Christian myself. She also told me before that I should not complain if she dumps me for a Christian in future.
I was angry when she said that. I was so tempted to dump her straightaway. But we had lots of sex. I know how much it means when a devout Christian sins like that. She sinned for me. That must really mean she loves me so deeply. And I love her too. But I can never see myself becoming a Christian ever. I want to marry her and be with her forever. But I know that this issue will haunt us forever if it is not resolved.
What should I do??
jus to share my little story....
my first gf of over 3 yrs was initially not a christian, but somewhat like free-thinker. But tat didn't last and she started going to city harvest under the introduction of her friends. I am not a christian, not anti-christian and never thought of becoming a christian. So i became very disturbed when i heard of the so-called-law that christians had to marry christians.
Now, she didn't say those harsh words like "She also told me before that I should not complain if she dumps me for a Christian in future" but i knew that eventually things will not work out well as she will be torn between following the "laws" and being with me...so i ended the relationship.
I don't want to sound like discouraging, but since she decided to make her religion such an important part of her life, maybe it is time you find someone else to be the important part of your life.
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Dear klydeer,Originally posted by klydeer:Dear Forum Moderator,
The topic title and contents of the first post initiates some form of advice that their relationship and sex is linked. Maybe not to you, but to me and i am sure to many others, sexual activities between a male and female is a form of relationship. He is asking for opinions, and we think the relationship is giving alerts due to pre marital sex and adviced accordingly. And with this the overall picture of Christianity. The matter at hand is pre marital sex and the author's suggestion that his girlfriend is "sinning for him". If these issues are not the key..what is ?
I wonder what is wrong here ? Why as a forum moderator, are u asking people how to word their opinions ? Is that the practice in sgforums ?
If that is , then why you yourself - asking "What is Holy ?".
Have a heart to help is way better than folding your arms at one corner, keep real quiet, and then start smacking everyone at the end of it all.
This i do not appreciate.
I appreciate the questions you had to challenge me.
I'll keep it short on my end.
I wouldn't agree that the topic title and initial post implied, if you've studied the trend of his post.
Allow me to quote him on the issue at hand.
Let's say believers are more sensitive to the initial post. No problem with proper advices.28 May 2005 · 01:15 AM
Originally posted by edemonda:ok.. but the issue here is that she wants me to be a Christian but I'll never become one... how?
Getting to religious(sorry, couldn't find a better term to use.) talks is difficult for me, post which concerns religion and beliefs is rarely a hardcore subject in AA.
I appreciate not staunch beliefs without solid advice to guide thread starter.
We strive to provide radical advices and solutions(if possible)
Personally - Objectivity is the key in every post.
This particular comment i find interesting, let me attempt to answer you with a question.
His girlfriend is sining for him thru PMS.
May i suggest a re-read of biblical scripture again? Who in this world would be so 'devout and god-centered/God fearing(full of adoration)' yet sin delibrately despite knowing that God despise it?
I hope you catch the answer within my question. There could be more than what we speculate. If you're going to refute me, please do so in http://Christians.sgforums.com and please quote scriptures.
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Allow me to take this opportunity to give my opinions regarding SGmacross's post regarding the onelined post. It is always easy to identify sin. Because we call it sin as and whenever we like, as well as what we call holy with our finite wisdom.
- acceptable Acts before marriage? Where to draw the line? Which is biblical/is considered sinning against God?
Holding hands
Kissing(peck-french kiss)
Hugging
Petting
Oral sex
Sex
Maybe you haven't realise that several churches do not allow teenagers to get into relationship before the age of 21.
Church which restricts couples from making phonecalls and get into one on one outings all the time, so they church leaders to counsel the couples, to guide them how many times they should call/email each other daily. The couples were taught that crossing the line of excessive communication is unhealthy and will hurt the relationship, ultimately God himself.
Why the restriction? Where is the line again? Which is biblical again?
acceptable act(holy) after marriage?
perverted sex?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Sex in marriage is good and holy. Incomplete explaination
Between the two spouses of course!
jealousy
Lust onto others?
Greed
Anger
affairs/adultery?
Sex for the wrong reasons(i don't want to name it)
Who defines sin and holiness? God in the Bible.
By defining what holy is - we know what is unholy. And all will be deemed unholy including you and me(if people here cares that they're unholy).
Frankly, there's no need for any answers.
We will find out in due time when we all come to the end of ourselves.
[John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
John 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.]
The issue is as above - quote of edemonda
It's not about sex. It's about his belief in the relationship and Christianity.
My stand? Radical advice which lead him to see light, in God or the relationship itself.
Regards
Co Moderator of Aunt Agony.
p.s. Regarding Christian faith and debates. Shall we move to http://Christians.sgforums.com -
Altrenatively, pls refer your 'hardcore' Christianity topics here http://www.sgforums.com/?action=forum_display&forum_id=1381
Thanks.
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Religion is invented by men to prevent other men from stealing their stuff and killing them and whatever else. Thus whatever rules that are laid down are all contrived by men.
Christianity was merely a tool by the romans to control europe.
if there is a religion that says other people's religion is wrong, incorrect, false, like many monothestic religion, i'll be the first to condemn it.
just be a good decent human being. if she doesn't like you, even God can't change that. -
MOD [Last reminder. No extra remarks on religions and stick more closely to topic.]Originally posted by ilovemyrolex:Religion is invented by men to prevent other men from stealing their stuff and killing them and whatever else. Thus whatever rules that are laid down are all contrived by men.
Christianity was merely a tool by the romans to control europe.
if there is a religion that says other people's religion is wrong, incorrect, false, like many monothestic religion, i'll be the first to condemn it.
just be a good decent human being. if she doesn't like you, even God can't change that. -
Asking people what you should do is not going to make things any easier... the best thing to do is to clear out all the advice that you have gotten, forget about all the talk on Christianity and ask yourself this one question...
Which action when taken will give you peace within? What does your gut feeling say? -
Very good sound observation and advice. You are not the typical Christian I know. Many seems to be so hypocritical but you seem to be a very nice Christian. Most just want to convert you whether you believe in your heart or not. That's not right, I think. Religion must be something that comes from the heart, a true believer and not someone who just say he/she believes. And to threaten him? Is that called love? Better if she can show by example how to be a truly good Christian so that he will really follow in her footsteps and really believe in his heart. Bravo! A Good Christian.Originally posted by gasband:I am a christian. And seriously I have something to say not only to you but also to your girlfriend.
Firstly, to you. Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God. So if you are not ready to start that relationship, please do not, especially if the reason is just to please your girlfriend.
Secondly, to your girlfriend. What the point of forcing you to be a christian? To ease her own guilt? To make herself feel better? To make things easier? Relationships do not work that way.
As for the sex thing, i am against pre-marital sex. But its again your choice and hers. Sex is a beautiful thing. It is meant to be enjoyed between a married couple. But in your case, It should never be used as a consideration or tool to force another party to stay in a relationship.
All the best to you. I always hope people come to believe in Christ but I rather you come to God knowing that you want to but not forced to.
God bless you.
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Dear Forum Moderator. Thank you for the reply.Originally posted by M©+square:perverted sex?
jealousy
Lust onto others?
Greed
Anger
affairs/adultery?
Sex for the wrong reasons(i don't want to name it)
Who defines sin and holiness? God in the Bible.
By defining what holy is - we know what is unholy. And all will be deemed unholy including you and me(if people here cares that they're unholy).
Frankly, there's no need for any answers.
We will find out in due time when we all come to the end of ourselves.
[John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
John 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
John 8:9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.]
The issue is as above - quote of edemonda
It's not about sex. It's about his belief in the relationship and Christianity.
My stand? Radical advice which lead him to see light, in God or the relationship itself.
Regards
Co Moderator of Aunt Agony.
p.s. Regarding Christian faith and debates. Shall we move to http://Christians.sgforums.com
1. My message is not meant as a challenge. It is a query. There is a difference.
You answered a query as above. That's it. All i suggest is that a Moderator like you should perhaps reflect on the limits of restrain. "Suggestion", may i repeat in case it is to be misinterpreted again.
2. And to the nice fellow who says "relax la..." thank you. I am pretty relaxed when i typed the message. There is really nothing here for me to so called "argue".
3. Since as a Moderator, you have the right to ask of people to so called "debate" in another domain, then i will not thus speak of whatever you have posted here. In all due respect, i did not say that i know the bible very well or even fully understand the mystery of faith. But i learn through my humble life as a fellowship of Christ, and i have also digested your post in full details and am happy that you know the Bible.
4. To me, i dont want to cheapen God's work through a "debate" of Christianity". All i care about here in this thread is providing what is right taught by God. The Bible is a living Bible. To me, it is not just a Book. Please be clear that it is not "me" who opposes pre marital sex. But God does. And i obey and i say - similarly to a lot of people who believe in His words. Simple as that. Dont have to complicate matters.
So thats about it.
Klydeer