Is he really into me?
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u still love him.
if your love is over you will not care about him at all.
Just a question
If one day his family and you are in danger.
and he save his family only but could not save you.
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I wouldn't suggest a break up, but I would ask you to think about your future. Are you willing to spend the rest of your life like this? Because this is how he is, his character is like that. He is the passive kinda guy, kinda selfish too, correct me if i am wrong. If you love him, which i think you are, then you should change your entire lifestyle for him, no choice. But, if you think its not worth the change, then move on and look for someone else who is more suitable to your lifestyle.
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How long have you been with him before he started his NS?Originally posted by babyreyes:serving now...
hmmx...
How long have he served his NS? Is he kinda restricted in his 'out of camp' time?
As much as I know you would wish for him to spend more time with you, understand that his parents could be missing their son over this period of time too...?
The main issue now of my concern would be... Are both of you 'compatible' in terms of life style? He's quiet and don't like crowds.. You're one who's scared of being bored to death... He like games and you don't...?
3 years.. Haven't you already known him well enough to have discovered all that? Or have he done some thing(s) recently which particularly pissed you off? Or just your own 'change of thoughts'...? That you don't really like this kind of life-style with him...?
To be STRAIGHT FRANK with you, I won't really see it as a plain 'wrong' to start realising things this way.. Somehow rather than denying such facts, it might just to review over things to see what you really want...? -
Originally posted by Devil1976:How long have you been with him before he started his NS?
more than a yr.
How long have he served his NS? Is he kinda restricted in his 'out of camp' time?
more than a yr. he is nt restricted to his camp. can book out on weekdays de.
As much as I know you would wish for him to spend more time with you, understand that his parents could be missing their son over this period of time too...?
The main issue now of my concern would be... Are both of you 'compatible' in terms of life style? He's quiet and don't like crowds.. You're one who's scared of being bored to death... He like games and you don't...?
Used to hang out a lot. movies..picnics..cycling..swimming....after some time he told me tat he deosnt like to go out and prefers to be at home.
I do get bored easily sometimes. I cant stay home all day. I would feel tat i will suffocate n die. So i started hanging out at his place. (well, couldnt think of wat to do) Then i got bored of the tv screen. Sometimes he plays game while i watch tv. or i surf net and he watch tv. And i dont click with his family. I spoke hardly 10 sentences at his home.
3 years.. Haven't you already known him well enough to have discovered all that? Or have he done some thing(s) recently which particularly pissed you off? Or just your own 'change of thoughts'...? That you don't really like this kind of life-style with him...?
Somehow more than one year into the relationship, i realised tat he is stay home kinda person. so i accommodated to him even though i didnt like hanging out at his place so often. Then a little more than a yr later, i got really fed up.
Yesh, devil. He pissed me off. 1stly, he started being cold towards me. After tat gave me vague replies when i asked wat is he up to. Couldnt figure out why he was like this. Got myself so miserable for months. And then he told me tat he was unhappy about me being miserable. Oh well, i told him becoz he was being cold to me. And he just kept quiet. Being cold isnt the way to treat ur gf rite?
2ndly, he feels tat its ok to go out with a girl behind my back late at nite without telling me. Yesh, im pissed off. Cant he let me know? Ok i know theres nothign between them. But i just cant stomach it.
3rdly, he seldom call or sms me. Lack of attention from him. He said he has nothing to say to me. When i talk to him, i felt tat he wasnt really listening as he was playing his game. I know tat online games are addictive. Coz i was once addicted to SIMS. haix.
I told him wat im unhappy bout. then he would be nice. after a wk, he reverts back to his old self. oh my gosh.
To be STRAIGHT FRANK with you, I won't really see it as a plain 'wrong' to start realising things this way.. Somehow rather than denying such facts, it might just to review over things to see what you really want...? -
I see you have quite alot of ISSUES?
When things don't 'fit in', they probably won't just 'go away' in time... Often not?
Your relationship is SLOWING DOWN... Never mind if you're miserable 1st or he's cold to ya 1st... The FACT IS "you're feeling miserable and he's cold to you".... And that certainly doesn't look like a good sign...?
Your relationship also shows sign of WEAK TRUST... WEAK COMMITMENT. It's often pulled into revolving around his family which you simply can't get along with... And his life-style and yours... Though you knew it's different yet you carried on...? But that's still not that bad because more often then not.. Women are more willing to 'try out' to see how things go...?
All in all, your relationship's in BAD SHAPE and POOR FOUNDATION... TIME is DEFINITELY AGAINST IT at this rate...
What do you suggest you should do next?
Though this might just sour the relationship even further, I personally thinks that it's about TIME for you to LET HIM KNOW HOW BAD things REALLY ARE NOW... That is IF you even BOTHER TO REVIVE this relationship...? Because even if you just let this thing row on, it'll probably just SINK TO ITS BOTTOM anyhow...?
What are both your star signs btw? -
he doesnt see those problems as a problem. If i dont click with his family , then dont click lors. If i dont sms or call him, its ok de. Coz he nothign to say to me oso. Then since he nothign to say to me, yet he expects me to kinda know his problems. How am i to know if he doesnt tell me?And i have repeating things to him over n over again.Originally posted by Devil1976:I see you have quite alot of ISSUES?
When things don't 'fit in', they probably won't just 'go away' in time... Often not?
Your relationship is SLOWING DOWN... Never mind if you're miserable 1st or he's cold to ya 1st... The FACT IS "you're feeling miserable and he's cold to you".... And that certainly doesn't look like a good sign...?
Your relationship also shows sign of WEAK TRUST... WEAK COMMITMENT. It's often pulled into revolving around his family which you simply can't get along with... And his life-style and yours... Though you knew it's different yet you carried on...? But that's still not that bad because more often then not.. Women are more willing to 'try out' to see how things go...?
All in all, your relationship's in BAD SHAPE and POOR FOUNDATION... TIME is DEFINITELY AGAINST IT at this rate...
What do you suggest you should do next?
Though this might just sour the relationship even further, I personally thinks that it's about TIME for you to LET HIM KNOW HOW BAD things REALLY ARE NOW... That is IF you even BOTHER TO REVIVE this relationship...? Because even if you just let this thing row on, it'll probably just SINK TO ITS BOTTOM anyhow...?
What are both your star signs btw?
=/ im outta my wits.
aries n gemini -
He's an aries and you're a gemini...?Originally posted by babyreyes:he doesnt see those problems as a problem. If i dont click with his family , then dont click lors. If i dont sms or call him, its ok de. Coz he nothign to say to me oso. Then since he nothign to say to me, yet he expects me to kinda know his problems. How am i to know if he doesnt tell me?And i have repeating things to him over n over again.
=/ im outta my wits.
aries n gemini -
Hey gemini and aries meant to be an energetic and happening couple. well match! I used to be addicted to the sims game as well haha! I guess he is just lazy and slack, and wouldnt be bother to make effort bah. young boys still doesnt know whats important in their life, they just wanna relax and slack, he doesnt think its important to give more attention to a girl. especially during ns would be the most laziest period of time. have a good talk with him! if he think you are very important to him, he will change alittle for you. one of my friend used to have the same problem, his bf gemini and she is aries. Guys just like to keep to themselves so much. will things get better after he work in the society?
Actually I think he may be thinking he is very useless to make you so miserable like you said, which make him very helpless and confused on how to make you happy. -
Im aries....he gem...Originally posted by Tier:Hey gemini and aries meant to be an energetic and happening couple. well match! I used to be addicted to the sims game as well haha! I guess he is just lazy and slack, and wouldnt be bother to make effort bah. young boys still doesnt know whats important in their life, they just wanna relax and slack, he doesnt think its important to give more attention to a girl. especially during ns would be the most laziest period of time. have a good talk with him! if he think you are very important to him, he will change alittle for you. one of my friend used to have the same problem, his bf gemini and she is aries. Guys just like to keep to themselves so much. will things get better after he work in the society?
Actually I think he may be thinking he is very useless to make you so miserable like you said, which make him very helpless and confused on how to make you happy.
Im the kind who gets bored easily de. he doesnt.
haiya...... now i felt nothign for him except anger disappointment and sian! haix -
Love is mutual and should be reciprocal. Why don't you start first?Originally posted by Tier:Hey gemini and aries meant to be an energetic and happening couple. well match! I used to be addicted to the sims game as well haha! I guess he is just lazy and slack, and wouldnt be bother to make effort bah. young boys still doesnt know whats important in their life, they just wanna relax and slack, he doesnt think its important to give more attention to a girl. especially during ns would be the most laziest period of time. have a good talk with him! if he think you are very important to him, he will change alittle for you. one of my friend used to have the same problem, his bf gemini and she is aries. Guys just like to keep to themselves so much. will things get better after he work in the society?
Actually I think he may be thinking he is very useless to make you so miserable like you said, which make him very helpless and confused on how to make you happy.
Start cheering him up! Make him forget about the stupid things in NS and other heck of life.
Once he's happy, he'll make you happy in return (I hope)
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NS can be the lowest point of a guy's life.
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My close frens are in NS too....They are able to take things at stride. Luff things at the end of the day. They are very positive.Originally posted by Eiizumi:NS can be the lowest point of a guy's life.
But i dont understand why my guy feels tat ns is a torture lors.
Come on. He is not hte only one suffering lors.
I even have a fren who purposely chao keng all these. hais. -
Sucky... What I'm afraid of... Anyway....Originally posted by babyreyes:Im aries....he gem...
Im the kind who gets bored easily de. he doesnt.
haiya...... now i felt nothign for him except anger disappointment and sian! haix
Though he's not those TOTALLY OUTGOING type... He can be 'cultivated' for a more 'outward bound' life-style... Not something to the EXTREMES... But pubbing and such should be quite ok... He just needs a little 'warming up' and persuading in the right way... Try not to reprimand him but instead to let him know how ya feel (as in you wish he could spend more time doing ROMANTIC things together...) etc. He can be quite an understanding and romantic guy by nature. WORK on that.
And DO NOT express ANGER and SUCH in his face unless it is REALLY NECESSARY... Especially of smaller matters.. Getting him 'SWITCHED OFF' would simply make him turn himself away from you and whatever you're hoping for...?
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Oh.. To add.. It's quite IMPORTANT to show that you're a CARING gf who can be understanding him at least to an extent..? It'll HELP to go a LONG WAY in making a BIG DIFFERENCE.... Good luck!
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He knows there are problems. There are certain things tat we both feel tat he could compromise a little. But he said he didnt want to.Originally posted by Devil1976:Oh.. To add.. It's quite IMPORTANT to show that you're a CARING gf who can be understanding him at least to an extent..? It'll HELP to go a LONG WAY in making a BIG DIFFERENCE.... Good luck!
I told him tat he is not romantic. He used to shower me with gifts and flowers. After that he doesnt, he said tat he is the kind who doesnt do such things one. And i came to realise tat it was his frens or mine who kinda prompted him to do such things. Oh well. He doesnt buy me any more gifts le. He just told me to pick watever i like. Show him the receipt.
He doesnt call or sms me unless theres a nd like wat time to meet. We just dont communicate well. Im tired of calling him all the time,u know. For hte past 3 yrs, ive been hte one calling him or initiating meetings. Most of hte time i call him, he either watching tv or playing his online games or soccer games. Then he will be in a hurry to put down the phone. Then subsequently i dont feel like calling him anymore.
He just said he has nothing to say to me. Ok fine. If he doesnt have things to say to me, he could listen rite? I dont seem to share my problems with him anymore. Coz basically if he is so engrossed with his tv n games, i find it hard talking to him.
When im sick, he just told me to see a doc. After tat, he didnt follow up on whether i got well nots. Sometimes i realise my frens love me more. haix. -
Hmm.... So I reckon you've pretty much made up your decision already..?Originally posted by babyreyes:He knows there are problems. There are certain things tat we both feel tat he could compromise a little. But he said he didnt want to.
I told him tat he is not romantic. He used to shower me with gifts and flowers. After that he doesnt, he said tat he is the kind who doesnt do such things one. And i came to realise tat it was his frens or mine who kinda prompted him to do such things. Oh well. He doesnt buy me any more gifts le. He just told me to pick watever i like. Show him the receipt.
He doesnt call or sms me unless theres a nd like wat time to meet. We just dont communicate well. Im tired of calling him all the time,u know. For hte past 3 yrs, ive been hte one calling him or initiating meetings. Most of hte time i call him, he either watching tv or playing his online games or soccer games. Then he will be in a hurry to put down the phone. Then subsequently i dont feel like calling him anymore.
He just said he has nothing to say to me. Ok fine. If he doesnt have things to say to me, he could listen rite? I dont seem to share my problems with him anymore. Coz basically if he is so engrossed with his tv n games, i find it hard talking to him.
When im sick, he just told me to see a doc. After tat, he didnt follow up on whether i got well nots. Sometimes i realise my frens love me more. haix.
I bet a person like you probably won't choose to stay long in such a kinda relationship... And even when you do, it's totally meaningless to you...? -
then wat bout aries n scorpio?Originally posted by Tier:Hey gemini and aries meant to be an energetic and happening couple. well match! I used to be addicted to the sims game as well haha! I guess he is just lazy and slack, and wouldnt be bother to make effort bah. young boys still doesnt know whats important in their life, they just wanna relax and slack, he doesnt think its important to give more attention to a girl. especially during ns would be the most laziest period of time. have a good talk with him! if he think you are very important to him, he will change alittle for you. one of my friend used to have the same problem, his bf gemini and she is aries. Guys just like to keep to themselves so much. will things get better after he work in the society?
Actually I think he may be thinking he is very useless to make you so miserable like you said, which make him very helpless and confused on how to make you happy. -
can't blame him.. NS ppl go thru a certain phase... boring life.....Originally posted by babyreyes:serving now...
hmmx...
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Originally posted by babyreyes:He says he loves me. But i dont really feel it. After being neglected for a few months, he kinda hinted for a breakup. And his reason was due to me being unhappy all the time. Well i was very upset with his coldness and neglience. haix. Upon knowing it, he agreed to a patch up.
But things still seem the same. Rather stagnant. Haix.He blows hot n cold on me. Almost every wkends, he spends his time at home and with his family. He seem rather into his online games n family gatherings as compared to me. Oh gosh. sigh.
iM kinda dislike going out with his family coz i dont click with them. He knows tat. And felt tat it wasnt a problem at all. =.-""
I told him tat he is neglecting me. And he said tat playing games is his hobby.He did rather play games than chat with me on the phone. Argh. Now we hardly meet each other. = /
Most of the time, im the one talking. He belongs to the quiet type. So when im not in the mood to talk, we will have a cold atmosphere.
Sometimes i feel tat im happier with my frens than him. haix.
Your guy seemed to be suffering from a common male-relationship style disorder known as Overgrown Baby in CloUdiSm context. His deep rooted parental influence is affecting his way of leading his OWN relationship, somewhat nonchalant towards different expressive mote of affection to his girlfriend. He may belong to a very traditional or sheltered type of family. To him, it isn't zero love, neither is it shyness or similar - in fact, it is more like a very passive way of continuing his relationship without understanding WHY in the first place. In his mind, he would be thinking 'Ok what, we are not quarrelling, so what's wrong?'
The masculine side is usually expected to play the initiator role in courtship, to inject romance and blossom the Love. However, once gotten into the relationship, the masculine side may apparently appeared to be 'slacken' in his expression of Love and affection, while in actual fact, what happens is that the play of romance is usually transformed into other more substantial qualities LIKE responsibility, financial side of a relationship, etc. Affection is there, but in altered dimension.
What happens to your boyfriend is complete INDIVIDUAL life, while trying on a RELATIONSHIP. Notice how these two words don't actually mix - he became like an overgrown baby, sit around and hope for the relationship to grow since both of you are already an item. Obviously, we all know relationship never work this way - but he persisted in his mindset, preferred to be spoon-feed than to work on the field of his relationship... taking advantage of being self absorb and you compromising, akin to that of a baby crying and having EVERYONE sayanging the little one.
Anyway, coping up too much at home is an unhealthy lifestyle, not only for the relationship, but also his personal growth as well. How much personal growth can one get by playing much online games and watching soccer the whole day? You are beginning to experience a reality check on how much sacrifice your boyfriend makes even for that little time to spend with you, instead of his boring schedule. We are not asking for abundance, but we are doing a reality check for how much is done for the relationship in name of Love.
Have you considered your relationship as one that has fallen into the clutches of a 'routinized relationship'? Mainly, surviving on reasons being Habit than the true identity of what your love may define? What is knowledge without implementation? Does KNOWING someone who has been neglected, due to self absorbing characteristic, enough reason to justify a patch back in the first place? Fault that was made...any effort to be corrected? It seemed that your reason to rekindle is solely based on emotional value you have for the relationship.
Your bf doesn't really understand the gravity of the situation which is causing the relationship to fail, more important, the side of YOUR tale, instead of 'I, Me and Myself.' I suggest you cease compromising and have a final communication with him. To me, you are merely delaying the inevitable: therefore, if possible throw him an ultimatum - more important, if it is getting nowhere, forget about these unhappy draggyness. Chances are, things won't improve until drastic measures are taken. And if you have to lose the relationship for him to LEARN something, then lose it.
Cheers -
Sadly this is so, and I dare say this does not happen only to a small minority.Originally posted by Eiizumi:NS can be the lowest point of a guy's life.
NS can make one physically and mentally tired. Which may explain why he doesn't feel like going out, and prefer to stay at home.
DUring NS, a lot of things change, especially life priorities. He may feel certain things are more important to him now, as opposed to last time. Mindset changes from a boy to a man (physically and mentally again) - that is accurate, and you get more than you bargained for. Most couples cannot handle behavioral changes in each other, and I reckon this is what happened.
Because of this, too many relationships are broken, since both parties cannot understand the drastic change in each other's behaviours. Mosy guys will not even be aware that their behaviour and their mentailty toward certain issues changed, but this does not mean that ladies are not changing as well. When there are changes too fast too quickly, it becomes challenging to adapt to each other.
Actually I think it is a good thing to go to the boyfriend's house, because at least you will be seen by his family, and it is most important to be seen, even though being heard is important too.
You are unhappy because you think he is cold to you. Playing games and watching TV at home? Seems to me he has somewhat lost focus as to what he wants in life, and being aimless with no direction in what he wants to do is really quite depressing, especially during NS.
You still love him? Put yourselves through a time test.
I suggest: Leave him alone for a while. Both for your sake and his. Come back together later and then re-evaluate your feelings again. This must be done in friendly spirit, and not on a bad note. Do not be acrimonious about it. Both parties must understand the purpose of this cooling off period. Don't do it immediately after a quarrel. IMPORTANT!!! If he feels he can do without you during this period, then I think there is no point continuing this relationship at this moment in time. Because the void in his mind is certainly not you. It is something else. If he says he wants to be together with you, then everything turns out fine!
So even if you both decide to split up, you will split up as good friends, and not on bad terms. *Note the IMPORTANT*.
If he feels that there is a void to be filled, and that void can only be filled by you, he will come back to you eventually.
The reverse is the same. If you feel that you can do without him during this period, then you decide if you want to continue the relationship.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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nope... no physical intimacy if ya refering to xxx....Originally posted by spencer99:can't blame him.. NS ppl go thru a certain phase... boring life.....
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Originally posted by Yunhaier:
Woah....i must say u are amazing..... Your guy seemed to be suffering from a common male-relationship style disorder known as [b]Overgrown Baby in CloUdiSm context. His deep rooted parental influence is affecting his way of leading his OWN relationship, somewhat nonchalant towards different expressive mote of affection to his girlfriend. He may belong to a very traditional or sheltered type of family. To him, it isn't zero love, neither is it shyness or similar - in fact, it is more like a very passive way of continuing his relationship without understanding WHY in the first place. In his mind, he would be thinking 'Ok what, we are not quarrelling, so what's wrong?'
The masculine side is usually expected to play the initiator role in courtship, to inject romance and blossom the Love. However, once gotten into the relationship, the masculine side may apparently appeared to be 'slacken' in his expression of Love and affection, while in actual fact, what happens is that the play of romance is usually transformed into other more substantial qualities LIKE responsibility, financial side of a relationship, etc. Affection is there, but in altered dimension.
What happens to your boyfriend is complete INDIVIDUAL life, while trying on a RELATIONSHIP. Notice how these two words don't actually mix - he became like an overgrown baby, sit around and hope for the relationship to grow since both of you are already an item. Obviously, we all know relationship never work this way - but he persisted in his mindset, preferred to be spoon-feed than to work on the field of his relationship... taking advantage of being self absorb and you compromising, akin to that of a baby crying and having EVERYONE sayanging the little one.
Anyway, coping up too much at home is an unhealthy lifestyle, not only for the relationship, but also his personal growth as well. How much personal growth can one get by playing much online games and watching soccer the whole day? You are beginning to experience a reality check on how much sacrifice your boyfriend makes even for that little time to spend with you, instead of his boring schedule. We are not asking for abundance, but we are doing a reality check for how much is done for the relationship in name of Love.
Have you considered your relationship as one that has fallen into the clutches of a 'routinized relationship'? Mainly, surviving on reasons being Habit than the true identity of what your love may define? What is knowledge without implementation? Does KNOWING someone who has been neglected, due to self absorbing characteristic, enough reason to justify a patch back in the first place? Fault that was made...any effort to be corrected? It seemed that your reason to rekindle is solely based on emotional value you have for the relationship.
Your bf doesn't really understand the gravity of the situation which is causing the relationship to fail, more important, the side of YOUR tale, instead of 'I, Me and Myself.' I suggest you cease compromising and have a final communication with him. To me, you are merely delaying the inevitable: therefore, if possible throw him an ultimatum - more important, if it is getting nowhere, forget about these unhappy draggyness. Chances are, things won't improve until drastic measures are taken. And if you have to lose the relationship for him to LEARN something, then lose it.
Cheers [/b] -
Originally posted by alfagal:then wat bout aries n scorpio?
erhmm I only know scorpio is highly possesive and easily jealous haha I got this from somewhere:
ARIES & SCORPIO: You are both ruled by the catalyst Mars that makes this union hot and heavy. The possessive Scorpio will, however, does clash with your free spirited nature.
can take a look at this site:
http://www.dressking.com/horoscope/Aries-Scorpio.htm -
I havent been talking to him since sunday. He didnt sms or call me till now. =(Originally posted by loudmonkey:Sadly this is so, and I dare say this does not happen only to a small minority.
NS can make one physically and mentally tired. Which may explain why he doesn't feel like going out, and prefer to stay at home.
DUring NS, a lot of things change, especially life priorities. He may feel certain things are more important to him now, as opposed to last time. Mindset changes from a boy to a man (physically and mentally again) - that is accurate, and you get more than you bargained for. Most couples cannot handle behavioral changes in each other, and I reckon this is what happened.
Because of this, too many relationships are broken, since both parties cannot understand the drastic change in each other's behaviours. Mosy guys will not even be aware that their behaviour and their mentailty toward certain issues changed, but this does not mean that ladies are not changing as well. When there are changes too fast too quickly, it becomes challenging to adapt to each other.
Actually I think it is a good thing to go to the boyfriend's house, because at least you will be seen by his family, and it is most important to be seen, even though being heard is important too.
You are unhappy because you think he is cold to you. Playing games and watching TV at home? Seems to me he has somewhat lost focus as to what he wants in life, and being aimless with no direction in what he wants to do is really quite depressing, especially during NS.
You still love him? Put yourselves through a time test.
I suggest: Leave him alone for a while. Both for your sake and his. Come back together later and then re-evaluate your feelings again. This must be done in friendly spirit, and not on a bad note. Do not be acrimonious about it. Both parties must understand the purpose of this cooling off period. Don't do it immediately after a quarrel. IMPORTANT!!! If he feels he can do without you during this period, then I think there is no point continuing this relationship at this moment in time. Because the void in his mind is certainly not you. It is something else. If he says he wants to be together with you, then everything turns out fine!
So even if you both decide to split up, you will split up as good friends, and not on bad terms. *Note the IMPORTANT*.
If he feels that there is a void to be filled, and that void can only be filled by you, he will come back to you eventually.
The reverse is the same. If you feel that you can do without him during this period, then you decide if you want to continue the relationship.
Just my 2 cents worth.
hai.. if i were to split up, we can never be frens. i will wish to disappear from his life n him from my life.
ive been thru shit r/s b4. my way of forgetting someone is to totally erase tat person and pple linked with him away from my life. sigh. -
yeeaah I think so. Aries is more of Adventurous and energetic kind of people. thats why will easily boredOriginally posted by babyreyes:Im aries....he gem...
Im the kind who gets bored easily de. he doesnt.
haiya...... now i felt nothign for him except anger disappointment and sian! haix
I really think he haven mature up, just like what Yunhaier said, he is an overgrown baby. I used to date an overgrown baby too. so tiring one. if you had tried to talk also no used, then you have to wait for him to grow up le bah~ or else dun wait le.
Aries horoscope, at nature forum:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=118806