Can any christian answer my question???
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Hi folks...it's me again.seems like i enjoy to post topic but i got no choice.everytime i have a conversation with my gf,i always encounter situations which i dun know how to tackle.A topic which i always try to avoid at the moment was raised by her juz now.it's regarding religion.she's a christian and i'm not.i know before hand that it's a must that christian can only be with another christian yet i can't help but fall in love with her.although she say she does not mind but i can sense she really hope i can convert to christian.sigh...i told her that i dun want to convert juz becos of her without really believing in christianity.this i view is not truthful to her and not respecting Jesus.i'm really worried i would lost this relationship becos of this.sigh......
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hey dood
well
let me start off by saying to you
here is what Jesus says
John 10:10"I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
there are many things you won't understand concerning christianity...and i think your girlfriend should understand that(if she doesn't she should read her bible more ^_^)
back to the point
mmm...here stands at your 'door' in life
a chance to know a God who has promised a life filled with abundance.
be it endless blessing here on this earth. be it unquenchable joy.
be it being able to live beyond what people think your potential is.
be it filled with love...not from your girlfriend...but think about it
from a God
imagine that...
Jesus says John3:16'God so loved the world that He gave...'
firstly God so love YOU
*i dunno ur name...but you can replace it with the YOU*
you're talking about a BIG God loving you
the god who made ur girlfriend
mm hmm
if she can love you so much that you really dont wanna lose her
*and she's not even married to you*
imagine God...not a mortal...but God...
He loves you right now...2000yrs ago he sent Jesus to hang on the cross so that every need in your life is paid for...
^_^
mm hmm...
firstly your sins...that your righteoueness is that OF Jesus
then your bodily infirmities(meaning sicknesses)...that Jesus the Son of God took
as a substitution for your current bodily infirmity
then also your curses in life...Jesus who is God...became a curse...not that he deserved it...but he opted to be your substitution so that you have the blessings of God...
then also your tears of sorrow...the shortest verse in the bible...'Jesus wept'
so that nono God who wants and is willing to be your Daddy can wipe your tears away
the condition?
Do you believe that Jesus took your sins on the cross?
Do you believe He died on the cross? and rose again 3 days later as your justification? meaning He is now alive and is your testimony to your holiness...YOU being IN Him?
maybe i didn't answer your question on how to save the relationship
maybe i preached the mere basics of what this 'religion' christianity is about
but hey...Jesus said John 10:10"I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly."
dood...your girlfriend may leave you
but if you're on god's side by accepting his son
hey...he'll raise up another girlfriend better than the one now
he'll bless you with money to bless her even more too
he'll bless you that you can bless others too
he'll give you unnatural calm when you're in your crisis
he'll move his hand when you touch his heart
and how? belief...
that all...simply believe...
nono...nothing that you have to do...no rules no laws you have to follow...
simply believe...He is your savior
and all these(is really a small fraction 'cause err you won't understand the rest yet)will be given to you as a big gift
mmm...know that you're a sinner
and you need Jesus as your savior
then if you decide through this that you wanna Jesus to be your Lord and savior
say this out loud and from your heart
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Lord Jesus, thank You for loving me and dying for me on the cross. Your precious blood washes me clean of every sin. You are my Lord, my Saviour and my God now and forever. I believe that you rose from the dead, and that You are alive today. God, You are my Father and I am Your child because of JEsus. Thank you for filling my heart with Your peace and joy in Jesus' name. Amen.
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hey guess what? you'll see ur current gf to eternity...be it that maybe later God raise another better one for you...or whatever but hey you'll last to eternity...the Holy Spirit(3rd member of God...though God is 1) is your warranty you'll go to heaven...no matter what you do...^_^
God is now no more God far away...He is now your Father...
and Fathers are supply orientated...so He just wants to give and give and give you more...
not only a good partner...but a successful student life...cca life...job life...
family life...
He sees you as a success...
right now you're as Holy as Jesus Himself
because bible says
Ephesians 2:10 'For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus...'
You are IN Jesus...that's how god sees you
^_^
anyway if you didn't receive him...it's fine
He still loves you
'bout ur gf...
i dont got too much to say lor...
this is my best shot
my thoughts always include asking God to help...but if you didn't receive Him...
God is still far away...then dunno how for you...hee...
can pray for you and God will move for you
because of His son...not me...
but how it works out
dont know...
'cause unless you're God's...guess what?
you're the devil's...
which isn't good...err...
you can try to sample more of what God has to offer...
if ur gf try to bug you all the time tell her back off...hee
too much nono...
scard lose her well...that part...
hey...many ppl break up dont they? some night before marriage ceremony 'cause things not right...
so...well...this saying if you didn't receive him...
if you did...well...Ask God for a good partner
might be her...might be someone else...but hey...ur daddy covering you ^_^
and loving you all the time...
^_^
cheers!
^_^
*very long winded then started preaching then go one big circle then say like he dunno wart to say...walao...*
oops?
or no oops? -
yawn...
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Hey bro,let me share with you my views.What that guy said was absolute crap,catch no balls to be precise,lolz.Originally posted by birdbird:Hi folks...it's me again.seems like i enjoy to post topic but i got no choice.everytime i have a conversation with my gf,i always encounter situations which i dun know how to tackle.A topic which i always try to avoid at the moment was raised by her juz now.it's regarding religion.she's a christian and i'm not.i know before hand that it's a must that christian can only be with another christian yet i can't help but fall in love with her.although she say she does not mind but i can sense she really hope i can convert to christian.sigh...i told her that i dun want to convert juz becos of her without really believing in christianity.this i view is not truthful to her and not respecting Jesus.i'm really worried i would lost this relationship becos of this.sigh......
And what's that got to do with religion?If you were sincere to make friends,go ahead.You'll not lose a piece of meat or shorten yer lifespan or watever..if you ppl are really loving,right?
Think about it.Btw,| never believe in god anyway.
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first i would like to say, wats ur problem? i c ur name here n i c ur name there, and most of the time u r simply criticising ppl for their truthful, sincere msg.Originally posted by JacK84:Hey bro,let me share with you my views.What that guy said was absolute crap,catch no balls to be precise,lolz. And what's that got to do with religion?If you were sincere to make friends,go ahead.You'll not lose a piece of meat or shorten yer lifespan or watever..if you ppl are really loving,right?
Think about it.Btw,| never believe in god anyway.
There is a difference between stating your opinions and being harsh regrding ur disagreements. ppl mean wat they say, i dun think u haf a right in calling it crap.
and then for ur info, since u dun believe in God i presume u know nuts abt the meaning of christianity.
why would religion got to do with whether they together or not isit? let me put it in layman's terms for you.
one of the basic ideas of christianity is that there is an afterlife for people who are saved, or in other words, true christians at heart. So let's just imagine, if, IF, u truly believe you get to go to heaven someday, you'll also wish that your loved ones will be able to go too. Would you bear the thought of knowing someone you love suffer in hell?
So how do christians solve this problem? they try their best to reach out to eeryone around them, so as to help them become 'saved' too.
That is why this could be an issue for families or couples whereby one person is a christian the other is not, cos the christian will want to spread the Word about God's love and promises to the one they care about, whereas, the other party, before he/she sees the Truth, might feel uncomfortable.
So, you say, if 2 ppl are loving, who cares abt religion...that's where u r wrong. becos when 2 ppl love each other, all the more the saved one will want ther other one to accept God too.
get it?
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as in response to birdbird:
its been sometime since you posted ur msg, put it directly: if u 2 r still together n religion is still an issue, can i ask u, have you really tried to listen n think abt wat this religion might mean to you?
Dun always associate religion as something that if u take up, is becos of ur gf... tok to her or her church people.
really really find a day, bear a very open mind, ready to listen, prepare to not disbelieve wat you hear, and then feel with your heart. ask yourself wat u feel, u really dun feel God calling out to you too??
u dun haf to decide anything there n then. can go home, and slowly analyze. at least do this for your girl, give a open mind.
if u find that ultimately u r still uncomfortable with all these stuff, then maybe ..... other ppl can help u, not me...ahaha -
Well, my brother, Christianity is nothing more than a bridge to foster our relationship with God. Anything more than that is superfluous and redundant. God doesn't care what religion you belong to, as long as you have faith in Him and yourself; as long as you can love others like He loves you.
In short my brother, you don't have to be a Christian to believe in God and to love each other, and I'm sure that your gf will understand that if she's open enough; to God love and all that He has prepared for us that is. What really matters is your thought(your faith), and not just the superficial aspects. Life is bountiful...and may God bless you
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Second | would say,then what's your problem?Originally posted by OverTheParadise:first i would like to say, wats ur problem? i c ur name here n i c ur name there, and most of the time u r simply criticising ppl for their truthful, sincere msg.
There is a difference between stating your opinions and being harsh regrding ur disagreements. ppl mean wat they say, i dun think u haf a right in calling it crap.
and then for ur info, since u dun believe in God i presume u know nuts abt the meaning of christianity.
why would religion got to do with whether they together or not isit? let me put it in layman's terms for you.
one of the basic ideas of christianity is that there is an afterlife for people who are saved, or in other words, true christians at heart. So let's just imagine, if, IF, u truly believe you get to go to heaven someday, you'll also wish that your loved ones will be able to go too. Would you bear the thought of knowing someone you love suffer in hell?
So how do christians solve this problem? they try their best to reach out to eeryone around them, so as to help them become 'saved' too.
That is why this could be an issue for families or couples whereby one person is a christian the other is not, cos the christian will want to spread the Word about God's love and promises to the one they care about, whereas, the other party, before he/she sees the Truth, might feel uncomfortable.
So, you say, if 2 ppl are loving, who cares abt religion...that's where u r wrong. becos when 2 ppl love each other, all the more the saved one will want ther other one to accept God too.
get it?
there u go, i'm not a christian either, but just some stuff i've come to understand...
Funny...all of a sudden you just appeared as though i'm a criminal.Yer a girl right?Then..
why the sudden...Or do you have a crush on
JacK84??!What issit girl?And don't get all holy on me,since | don't know what you are
babbling either.What are you aiming at?
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I think so long as you can learn to respect her faith for her lord and she can understand your stand for not wanting to be involved now, this relationship can still go on...?Originally posted by birdbird:Hi folks...it's me again.seems like i enjoy to post topic but i got no choice.everytime i have a conversation with my gf,i always encounter situations which i dun know how to tackle.A topic which i always try to avoid at the moment was raised by her juz now.it's regarding religion.she's a christian and i'm not.i know before hand that it's a must that christian can only be with another christian yet i can't help but fall in love with her.although she say she does not mind but i can sense she really hope i can convert to christian.sigh...i told her that i dun want to convert juz becos of her without really believing in christianity.this i view is not truthful to her and not respecting Jesus.i'm really worried i would lost this relationship becos of this.sigh...... But of course, this is usually easier said than done..? As a religion can really mean ALOT to someone...
In the future to come IF the both of you are together, there would be MORE test on the TOLERANCE of DIFFERENCE between the two of you...? Take this as a GREAT STARTOFF CHALLENGE for your relationship..? LEARN to FACE it and NOT avoid the topic and make things BLURRISH... Otherwise problem might arise in the future again at an even more unappropriate time when both your expectations are not the same..? ie. She might still want you to convert during a later part of your life, would you be ready for that?
This is a RISK and WALKING TIME-BOMB you would have to take IN EXCHANGE for the LOVE you have for her...? Are you READY for it? Unless something drastic comes about one day to change things, the potential HAZARD can always be there...? Hmm.... Harvnesting a LOVE and the POTENTIAL DANGER that comes together with it... Shall we flip a coin..? Hmm... I think let's not leave this to FATE now shall we...? Why don't you just sit down with her and talk for a while...? 
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i agree with devil that a religion could mean very imp to some ppl...
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I have ever tried to change my religous believe to Christian cos my ex-gf is Christian. But she said it's not like changing clothes, in religous believe, u have to believe in it before u can join it. But if you really LOVE her, you should convert to Christian.(And I mean love, not like) But if you dun love, her, just forget it and let her go. Stop wasting your time and her time. I think she really mind that you dun convert to Christian. So this will be a thing to argue abt in future.
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You THINK but you're NOT her...? How you KNOW? Does LOVING someone means to go into her religion even if it means to do so BLINDLY...? Tell you what do I THINK? It's an INSULT to the someone you LOVE, it's an INSULT to the religion she LOVES and it's AN INSULT to yourself.... That's what I THINK?Originally posted by otacon:I have ever tried to change my religous believe to Christian cos my ex-gf is Christian. But she said it's not like changing clothes, in religous believe, u have to believe in it before u can join it. But if you really LOVE her, you should convert to Christian.(And I mean love, not like) But if you dun love, her, just forget it and let her go. Stop wasting your time and her time. I think she really mind that you dun convert to Christian. So this will be a thing to argue abt in future. -
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hey birdbird:
I think you should just be very firm on your own beliefs. Tell her that since you respect her beliefs and you don't try to convince her to renounce her faith, she should do the same for you, and respect your beliefs and stop trying to convert you to christianity. I think in insisting on you converting to christianity, she's being very selfish and inconsiderate.
And there's no such thing as a christian being allowed to mix only with christians. One of my closest friends that I have known since pri4, is a devout christian, and I am not. He never bugs me to go to church or convert christianity, because as a friend he knows how to respect my beliefs, and I think your friend should learn how to respect yours as well.
On the whole, I think christians should learn to respect other people's beliefs and religions (or lack of). The way some of them go around denouncing other relgions as "pagan" is disgusting...
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I'm still of the opinion man created god because they couldn't face up to reality...basically our lives are pretty pointless and we're no different from animals. We're just smarter but when we die, we die. No such thing as having a soul that goes to heaven, etc. When shit happens, its because life is unfair and you had bad luck, not because god has a plan for you or whatever.
If you look up any ancient civilization, any culture or country, you'll notice that they always have some form of religion, be it worshipping the rain and fertility gods, or whatever. It would seem to be that religion is created by man as a form of emotional sustenance. Religion is also created by man to explain things that they can't understand. Like when there is an earthquake or flood, its because the gods are angry, blah blah.
Without religion, most people would find their lives meaningless and they would not have a good reason to continue living. For christians, whenever something good happens, its because god is being graceful and whenever something bad happens, its because we have failed god and he's teaching us a lesson or something like that. A god you worship is basically like an imaginery friend, and a means of taking away your feeling of powerlessness. Like when a farmer's crops fails, instead of having to admit that its just his bad luck that the weather is bad, or there was too much rain, etc, he prays to his fertility god or whatever to make his crops grow, so he can feel as if he actually has the situation in control
Argh I think i could go on with this forever
basically i think religion was created by people with no backbone and who are emotionally weak, making them unable to face up to reality.
When science finally is able to explain everything, the need for religion would go away. I think that's one of the reasons the pope and all the religious people are so afraid of genetic engineering. Having science able to explain everything would be the death knell to religion.
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ASK YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO GO FARK HER GOD IF SHE LOVE HIM SO MUCH. IF I WERE U I WOULD DUMP HER CAUSE SHE WON'T LOVE ME AS MUCH AS HER GOD.
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tat was well said!!! BRAVO!!!Originally posted by i am twat:ASK YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO GO FARK HER GOD IF SHE LOVE HIM SO MUCH. IF I WERE U I WOULD DUMP HER CAUSE SHE WON'T LOVE ME AS MUCH AS HER GOD. -
Bravo! Bravo!! :p I couldn't agreed more.Originally posted by i am twat:ASK YOUR GIRLFRIEND TO GO FARK HER GOD IF SHE LOVE HIM SO MUCH. IF I WERE U I WOULD DUMP HER CAUSE SHE WON'T LOVE ME AS MUCH AS HER GOD.
I use to look at all religion as the same. So long as it helps people to have a meaning in life and u believe in it wholeheartedly, by all means.
Not untill I came upon a girl who is a Christian and she nearly ruined by marriage. Luckily my husband came back to me, or we'll have ended up in divorce.
My husband knew her before we married and he threatened to end our six years of relationship because of her. She was trying to convert my husband to Christian but my husband was unwilling as my mother-in-law
is a Buddhist, although he himself is a free thinker. Thank goodness he did not want to be converted or our relationship would have ended there. But just after a year into the marriage and our child was borned I realised that my husband was still seeing her. She was asking my husband to leave me and my child. I have called her a no. of time, asking her to stay out of my family but she just hanged up on me. I was totally devastated. I threatened to leave my husband and take the child with with me, that's when my husband finally woke up and have a clean break with her.
Believe me, they are a group of over friendly people. Too much friendly for comfort. And they can talk very well and if they want to convert u, they will try ways and means.
By the way this girl is a teacher, and with such a bad example, I'm really worried for the children she teaches. If I can write to the MOE and ban her from being a teacher, I'll do so.
As all Christian believe, they both have to be Christian before they can be married. So unless u convert or your girlfriend don't mind u r a non believer u can forget about the whole thing. -
yea....
christians always complain about people not respecting their religions but they hardly respect other peoples' religions. they're always trying to convert people and i think its disgusting.
how would they like it if i stood outside a church to distribute atheist phamplets?
crying angel: i can just imagine her trying to convert the pupils in the school and all. i'm just curious as to what school she's from. if she's from a methodist institution such as mgs, acs, chij, etc, then there's nothing much you can do. if she's from a government school, i think you can stir up something with her. good luck if you do try, i'll fully support you. somehow such behavior is acceptable from christians but if a muslim were to do such things, i doubt people would be as tolerant. btw if you're curious, i'm a free thinker or atheist -
brudder: you just type out here what she gives as excuse about christianity and we together brainstorm on how to shoot her backOriginally posted by birdbird:Hi folks...it's me again.seems like i enjoy to post topic but i got no choice.everytime i have a conversation with my gf,i always encounter situations which i dun know how to tackle.A topic which i always try to avoid at the moment was raised by her juz now.it's regarding religion.she's a christian and i'm not.i know before hand that it's a must that christian can only be with another christian yet i can't help but fall in love with her.although she say she does not mind but i can sense she really hope i can convert to christian.sigh...i told her that i dun want to convert juz becos of her without really believing in christianity.this i view is not truthful to her and not respecting Jesus.i'm really worried i would lost this relationship becos of this.sigh...... -
for me i was a ex-christian myself , at a particular church,i believe many pple would have hear of its name ,better not mention it,i been there a couple for years and sumtimes i got irriated by wat they say sumtimes,they are tokkin as if they whole world is wrong onli they are rite ,and they wont blame the sinners for saying bad things or condemming they , they say "god pls do not blame they as they have not tasted they grace and goodness of god."and sumtimes the things the say are sum how contradicting,and last time i was playing "magic cards" and they say its demonic and want me to throw away all my cards,i have nothing to say.then when u hang out too much with ur non christian frenz they say dun hang out too much as they are"unequally yoked" (in simple words -not christian),and even discourage u from listenming to too much pop songs , and i myself came to a conclucsion that wat ever that u do thats makes u drift away from church.they will tok a lot to u counselle u until u buea tahan.and recently a pastor's wife entered the pop entertainment circle,which is even on 93.3fm got concert,i was like.oh my..wat was it that they were telling me all these years,u say want to listen,listen to church cds,christian songs,dun get too obbesed.now alreadi i can imgaine how they are going to tell their church member,"our pastor is going to enter in to entertainment circle,where more pple is gonna know abt us, in this way we will be able to impact more lives ,get more souls saved!"ya rite..wat ever they say is rite.as mention in some post earlier christians can really be veri good frens and advise seekers and they will help u in a great deal i really agree with these,but they are juz wanting u to convert...,
bascially i tink all religions in all corners of the earth is all the same, its all abt making u a better person , love yourself and one another and makin ur life a worthy 1 .coz every life is precious. -
I used to be a christian a long time ago but after a while I saw what christianity and maybe religion in general really was so I renounced my faith. I'm now an atheist and I'll never look back.
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lova: i know that the news abt the Pastor releasing a secular album may result in many people critising on how "unholy" it is...
i'm not gonna explain anything cuz i know whatever i say won't go into your head.. if u don't like the idea, keep it to yourself...don't "express" it openly cuz itz gonna affect the mindsets of other people who only sees ONE side of the whole thing...
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my final ans will be city harvest church...lock it inOriginally posted by LoVa:for me i was a ex-christian myself , at a particular church,i believe many pple would have hear of its name ,better not mention it,i been there a couple for years and sumtimes i got irriated by wat they say sumtimes,they are tokkin as if they whole world is wrong onli they are rite ,and they wont blame the sinners for saying bad things or condemming they , they say "god pls do not blame they as they have not tasted they grace and goodness of god."and sumtimes the things the say are sum how contradicting,and last time i was playing "magic cards" and they say its demonic and want me to throw away all my cards,i have nothing to say.then when u hang out too much with ur non christian frenz they say dun hang out too much as they are"unequally yoked" (in simple words -not christian),and even discourage u from listenming to too much pop songs , and i myself came to a conclucsion that wat ever that u do thats makes u drift away from church.they will tok a lot to u counselle u until u buea tahan.and recently a pastor's wife entered the pop entertainment circle,which is even on 93.3fm got concert,i was like.oh my..wat was it that they were telling me all these years,u say want to listen,listen to church cds,christian songs,dun get too obbesed.now alreadi i can imgaine how they are going to tell their church member,"our pastor is going to enter in to entertainment circle,where more pple is gonna know abt us, in this way we will be able to impact more lives ,get more souls saved!"ya rite..wat ever they say is rite.as mention in some post earlier christians can really be veri good frens and advise seekers and they will help u in a great deal i really agree with these,but they are juz wanting u to convert...,
bascially i tink all religions in all corners of the earth is all the same, its all abt making u a better person , love yourself and one another and makin ur life a worthy 1 .coz every life is precious.
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