i feel i got treated unfairly.
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the thread starter can tell that to the judge.Originally posted by Eternal-fire:I don't think that is regarded as stealing as it was the owner's responsibility to take care of his own belongings and he lose his belonging and when someone else see it and take it I dun think that is consider as stealing as the person did not snatch from the owner or take it out of the owner's bag directly. Therefore the owner can only blame himself for his carelessness. -
dear god. you think there's going to be a court case over a phone
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Definitely...not supreme or even subordinate...only district court but a court is still a court this one has a holding cell in the basement.Originally posted by thinger:dear god. you think there's going to be a court case over a phone -
SIM card sure disconnected liao, dun bother to return. Poor person who lost phone got to buy new phoe but at leat the replacement SIM card shld be free for the 1st time.Originally posted by used:u indirectly stole a phone still can come and post here!!!
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What the hell?
The problem does not lies with the model of the phone or the sim card or whatever.
It's a matter of integrity. Do what's right.
Even if it's an old model (you are not interested) or a new model phone(you are interesterd). RETURN IT TO THE RIGHTFUL OWNER. -
if that phone is urs and some1 else found it but didn't report to either the police or taxi company, will u feel outraged? no one claimed it doesn't make it to be ur property.Originally posted by Realistic-Nonsense:yesterday i found a phone in the taxi. seeing that noone claimed it, it guessed it was lost and that it was mine. I was on the way to my friend's house. He saw the phone that i found and was very interested in it. I assumed that since noone in my family ever shown interest or needed in a phone, i promised him.
when i got back and told my parents about the hp. they were slightly disturbed by the fact that i didn't asked them first instead of promising my friend that phone. i told them that he wanted it and that they didn't shown any interest in that hp anyways, so i gave it to him.
i got very upset due to the fact how they managed this inccident. is it wrong to think of the world before my parents? they implied that no matter what, i should still seek them for their interest. i feel that being in a well average family with all the necessities and leisures covered, i feel no need that they needed anything more. whereas the outside world, who tends to be less fortunate needed the things we had. my friend may have shown interest in that phone and wanted it, but my parents downstruck values were still there, that they were utmost importance regardless anycase...
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GUYS ,DUN SAY RUBBISH LIKE RETURN IT TO THE POLICE AND ACTING AS IF YOU R A GOOD CITIZEN
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...AND TALK ABOUT INTEGRETY> puke!
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x 2. Or you can report to the police as a lost phone, trace the sim card for its owner... etc.Originally posted by shade343:The powner may call the phone. -
x 2. Having possession of something which does not belong to you and is not officially disowned by it rightful holder is considered as theft in the eyes of the law.Originally posted by Ito_^:according to the law.
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It is ridiculous to assume that someone else's carelessness justifies your own greed to take something that isn't yours. Your own ethics should not be so easily compromised by someone else's inadequacy.Originally posted by Eternal-fire:I don't think that is regarded as stealing as it was the owner's responsibility to take care of his own belongings and he lose his belonging and when someone else see it and take it I dun think that is consider as stealing as the person did not snatch from the owner or take it out of the owner's bag directly. Therefore the owner can only blame himself for his carelessness.
The crux is whether the thing is YOURS or not to begin with. HOW the thing got to be there is a moot point.
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when i was still young and in school i picked up 2 phones on seperate occasions. At that time i was like thread poster, didnt feel that picking up wat i found is wrong. I either sold it off or used it as mine.
I even considered myself lucky. However, nowadays I do the opposite. It got to do alot with your upbringing and how your parents teach u. In later years when I am a young adult I start to feel what I did was wrong and felt that they were a blemish on the record of my life.
It is as though when I die and stand before judgement by whatever god or religon i will feel immensely ashamed to remember that at the age of so and so i decided to cave in to greed and kept this phone or sold it for my benefit.
Since my self reflection, I have decided quietly to myself, "Never again". I was tested some time back, when then again I found another hp on the bus. it was a Nokia 6600. FYI, I having being holding on to my faithful Nokia 6510 for years. Besides, it was almost the end of the month, I was "money dry".
The thought did flirt my mind to sell it off, but then I remembered my own vows and without hesitation, i flipped thru the phone book and called the owner's mom.
After I returned the phone to the owner's mom, I was very pleased with myself. You shd try it, when you have done a good deed. It made me feel that all the efforts were worth it. And it did make me feel like a human again -
its not like all of us have never done something like that, in some way, at some age.
clearly, s/he's made a decision, and acted upon it. maybe next time, s/he'll come up with a different decision.
i mean its really no use saying its wrong etc etc etc because im sure he or she knows it's not exactly saintly to keep a phone, and its highly unlikely that anyone is going to be charged with anything.
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I dont think the ethics are solely Singaporean and I also dont think the author thinks it is wrong to keep the phone.Originally posted by thinger:i mean its really no use saying its wrong etc etc etc because im sure he or she knows it's not exactly saintly to keep a phone, and its highly unlikely that anyone is going to be charged with anything.
threadstarter was complaining about parents. not asking for a lesson in singaporean ethics.
Therefore, I disagree that simply cos it is unlikely anyone will be charged, it is useless to tell the author it is wrong.
Because, it is obvious from the threadstarter's complaints that his parents aren't going to tell him what's right/wrong in this situation.
It is much better for us to share our views, than through our silence, give him the mistaken signal that it is perfectly okay. Not just him, but to the other people who THINK it is okay, it is important to let them know that there are also many other people who think it is NOT a good thing to do.
Silence in a society due to the mistaken belief that it is 'useless' to give a view propagates the condoning of actions which are NOT right, even if they may not be ILLEGAL. -
You basket say until as if you are the victim... The true victim in this case I can see is that owner who lost the phone. ANd your parents should have scolded you that you didn't return for being dishonest. But instead your parents didn't teach you properly. NOW time to face the wall and reflect on your mistake and do the right thing!
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found something but didn't report to police is an offence.
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I found a 10 cent coin lying on the floor of a bus this morning, but I didn't report it to the police.
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u got treated unfairly? bullsh1t! He/she is such a unlucky person to have his lost phone found by people like u. People who dont think for others. do u know how painful it is to lost your phone? u should have reported to the police or wait for the owner to call.. saying theres no contacts on the phone is a stupid and brainless excuse to cover up your wrongdoing.
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+1Originally posted by dragg:your family very tork kong.
instead of chiding you for not returning the lost phone they blamed you for not giving it to them.
this kinda family has no teachings at all. no wonder the son is a dishonest b*stard. spoilt brat. picking up a phone which isn't yours; report it to the police. Not hankering over who to give it to; be it your friend or your parents.
No moral values and integrity at all. What a disgrace!
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That's okay under the law, cos you don't have any means to find out who the owner is. Hope these illustrations help:Originally posted by ditzy:I found a 10 cent coin lying on the floor of a bus this morning, but I didn't report it to the police.
(1) Ah Beng finds a dollar on the street, he does not know whom the dollar belongs and picks up the dollar. There is no offence commited.
(2) Ah Beng finds a bank note. From the note, he knows to whom it belongs but appropriates the note. Ah Beng has committed the offence of dishonest misappropriation of property.
(3) Ah Beng finds a ring. He does not know to whom the ring belongs and sells it immediately, without attempting to discover the owner. Ah Beng has committed the offence of dishonest misappropriation of property. -
ur thread had started off on a totally irrelevant pt of view.
by what you said, the fact that u came from an above average family may have led u to think that losing a phone is no big deal and u're actually more concerned about whether u r being treated fairly.
ever thought of returning the phone to the owner? or handing it to the police?
but going to a forum to solicit sympathies.. that's pretty off.
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i realized that the most fark-ed up people are not the rich, neither are the poor. they are the average class and the newly rich.
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There is no 'acting' involved in honesty.Originally posted by davidche:GUYS ,DUN SAY RUBBISH LIKE RETURN IT TO THE POLICE AND ACTING AS IF YOU R A GOOD CITIZEN
The fact that he only made superficial attempts to track down the owner shows the half-hearted mentality involved and the overwhelming desire to instead KEEP the phone for himself.
Opportunists like yourself are what gives Singaporeans a bad name. -
Yes, it is a crime. And for posting it on the internet, you are dumb. and for that, you deserve to be treated unfairly.
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shame on you and your parents! you farking thief!Originally posted by Realistic-Nonsense:yesterday i found a phone in the taxi. seeing that noone claimed it, it guessed it was lost and that it was mine. I was on the way to my friend's house. He saw the phone that i found and was very interested in it. I assumed that since noone in my family ever shown interest or needed in a phone, i promised him.
when i got back and told my parents about the hp. they were slightly disturbed by the fact that i didn't asked them first instead of promising my friend that phone. i told them that he wanted it and that they didn't shown any interest in that hp anyways, so i gave it to him.
i got very upset due to the fact how they managed this inccident. is it wrong to think of the world before my parents? they implied that no matter what, i should still seek them for their interest. i feel that being in a well average family with all the necessities and leisures covered, i feel no need that they needed anything more. whereas the outside world, who tends to be less fortunate needed the things we had. my friend may have shown interest in that phone and wanted it, but my parents downstruck values were still there, that they were utmost importance regardless anycase...
what an out-rage i feel....
return that handphone to the owner and repent!