[b]Hell Has No Fury But A woman's Scorn..I married my mother
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You keep saying these above few points being unfair.Originally posted by 787180:[?
The Police is indeed bias towards when it comes to the treatment of man as I have clearly emphasised.Time and again Adrain was made to suffer with all the false reports and Adrain would land in police station to be investigated.Yet Ivy only apologised in Court and got stern police warnings-
These are the main objectives for conveying to the general public.
Of course the Women's Charter is already outdated as it was original intended to protect the traditional housewives of the 1960s but now many women are earning > than their husbands and are financiallly better off but may resort to using the Women's Charter as a weapon against their estranged husbands...
isn't this point also correct,Jojo.
JOJo please get Ivy who is working on every wed at Symphony Music at Causeway point to air her side of the story
When anyone make a report to police or any gov authorities. They cannot assume any of those to be a hoax.
Every case needs to be investigated.
What would you like the authorities to do to Ivy to deem fair?
The most those agencies can do is charge Ivy with mischief.
But Adrian can file legal suit against Ivy for harrassment.
Of course the Family court only make Ivy and her mom apologize.
The family court is not a civil/criminal court, you need to go the correct route if you want to get thing done.
And you insist The Women's Charter is out dated.
Now, tell us, what changes need be done to make it fair?
Do you want women who earns a higher income to pay the men who earn less alimony ?
AKA the Britney Spears vs Kevin Federline case ?
You keep telling me to get Ivy.
But till date, I have not receive any contact information from you.
Is her real name Ivy Chien?
What do you want me to say when I call up her work place?
"May i speak to that woman who tormented her husband and is suffering from Thalasemia?"
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seeing the story and jojobeach's words, i dun wanna get married already. women are vicious nowadays.
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Yes, you are opening yourself to a slander suit. Do you still want me to get Ivy.Originally posted by 787180:His reason is that I may open myself to potential lawsuits but since I am reporting the facts via comfirmation with Adrain and his parents/siblings.Beside his family's support
If you want to report facts, you need to get TWO sides of the story.
One sided ones like what you are reporting now is NOT facts.
And your reluctance to seek Ivy's story , doesn't help boost your credibility very much, does it ? #shake head#
And when you openly specifically tells everyone here where Ivy works.
Nobody's identity is secret anymore.
You a mass comm student ? -
Good luck.Originally posted by ^tamago^:seeing the story and jojobeach's words, i dun wanna get married already. women are vicious nowadays. -
thanks. i'm just trying to test ur response and verify your stance.Originally posted by jojobeach:Good luck. 
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And what are you trying to figure out ?Originally posted by ^tamago^:thanks. i'm just trying to test ur response and verify your stance. -
the future of this thread.Originally posted by jojobeach:And what are you trying to figure out ? -
So what have you deduced so far ?Originally posted by ^tamago^:the future of this thread. -
u're not worth my time.Originally posted by jojobeach:So what have you deduced so far ? -
Originally posted by ^tamago^:u're not worth my time. Good riddence.
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u dun wan to slp ah?Originally posted by jojobeach: Good riddence. -
It's daylight where I am.Originally posted by ^tamago^:u dun wan to slp ah? -
Ok you win lor. Over and out.Originally posted by jojobeach:It's daylight where I am. -
You keep saying these above few points being unfair.
When anyone make a report to police or any gov authorities. They cannot assume any of those to be a hoax.
Every case needs to be investigated.
What would you like the authorities to do to Ivy to deem fair?
The most those agencies can do is charge Ivy with mischief.
But Adrian can file legal suit against Ivy for harrassment.
Of course the Family court only make Ivy and her mom apologize.
The family court is not a civil/criminal court, you need to go the correct route if you want to get thing done.
And you insist The Women's Charter is out dated.
Now, tell us, what changes need be done to make it fair?
Do you want women who earns a higher income to pay the men who earn less alimony ?
AKA the Britney Spears vs Kevin Federline case ?
Jojobeach..as a women U probably don't understand how men went through the agony and twice the police let her go scot free just because she's a woman after vcausing so much harm to her ex hubby.Picture yourself in the hubby's shoes...U mentioned I don't understand how much Ivy went thru..I guess U're a divorce and hence U can feel for this evil Ivy even though she had been harassing Adrain.Sorry I don't mean to insult U but it's a fact and previously Mr Charles Chong and MP ever questioned why a low income man has to pay ailmony to her higher income spouse...this opens up a loophole in th e women's charter whereby the wife doesn't need the money but just want to spite the estranged husband for the failed marriage.And our S'pore Law is that no ailmony will be paid to the hubby even if he is unemployed and the wife is drawing a huge salary
Do U know a lot of foreigners(females from China,etc) are exploiting this loopholes..once married for a year and then divorced she will be entitled to certain % of the hubby's assets but not vice versa...even if the wife owns substantial assets acquired after the marriage.Don't quote angmo case as precedent as our Court is not bound by that.Where is the sanctity of marriage? Isn't the law is to protect both parties?
In the 1960s yes I agree many women esp the illiterate were left in a lurch after their husbands left them due to abuse,infidelity,etc and hence those poor defenceless souls had to be protected.But in today's context has the women's charter still serve its usefulness..likley to be exploited by the highly educated or vicious wives...even in TCS chinese shows U often hear..never mind divorce the hubby but demand ailmony so as to drag him down as it's the draining of hismoney/wealth that hurts.
I stand up for s'pore men and hope the Women's Charter can be made more equitable for both parties but at the same time ensure the female gender that genuinely requires court protection be alloted the help/protection and not just grant PPOs so easily that the estranged husbands will be investigated for every silly acts as complained by the estranged wives...Ivy raided Adrain's flat on 2 consecutive sundays wasting police resources just to collect a packet of 2 AA size batteries and the subsequent sunday just to collect a packet of unused condoms(she claimed she paid for it)..see went to harass poor Adrain just to spike him and the Law allowed that to happen.Ridiculous right..all theses at the expense of men.Let there be justice for S'pore Man in marital disputes -
As a woman, I have personally seen how a man also tormented his wife when she asked for a divorce.Originally posted by 787180:Jojobeach..as a women U probably don't understand how men went through the agony and twice the police let her go scot free just because she's a woman after vcausing so much harm to her ex hubby.Picture yourself in the hubby's shoes...U mentioned I don't understand how much Ivy went thru..I guess U're a divorce and hence U can feel for this evil Ivy even though she had been harassing Adrain.Sorry I don't mean to insult U but it's a fact and previously Mr Charles Chong and MP ever questioned why a low income man has to pay ailmony to her higher income spouse...this opens up a loophole in th e women's charter whereby the wife doesn't need the money but just want to spite the estranged husband for the failed marriage.And our S'pore Law is that no ailmony will be paid to the hubby even if he is unemployed and the wife is drawing a huge salary
Do U know a lot of foreigners(females from China,etc) are exploiting this loopholes..once married for a year and then divorced she will be entitled to certain % of the hubby's assets but not vice versa...even if the wife owns substantial assets acquired after the marriage.Don't quote angmo case as precedent as our Court is not bound by that.Where is the sanctity of marriage? Isn't the law is to protect both parties?
In the 1960s yes I agree many women esp the illiterate were left in a lurch after their husbands left them due to abuse,infidelity,etc and hence those poor defenceless souls had to be protected.But in today's context has the women's charter still serve its usefulness..likley to be exploited by the highly educated or vicious wives...even in TCS chinese shows U often hear..never mind divorce the hubby but demand ailmony so as to drag him down as it's the draining of hismoney/wealth that hurts.
I stand up for s'pore men and hope the Women's Charter can be made more equitable for both parties but at the same time ensure the female gender that genuinely requires court protection be alloted the help/protection and not just grant PPOs so easily that the estranged husbands will be investigated for every silly acts as complained by the estranged wives...Ivy raided Adrain's flat on 2 consecutive sundays wasting police resources just to collect a packet of 2 AA size batteries and the subsequent sunday just to collect a packet of unused condoms(she claimed she paid for it)..see went to harass poor Adrain just to spike him and the Law allowed that to happen.Ridiculous right..all theses at the expense of men.Let there be justice for S'pore Man in marital disputes
So, when it comes to the authorities, they don't differentiate treatment based on gender.
So in simple words.
You just want the one with higher earning power to pay alimony irregardless of gender. Correct ?
And irregardless of gender, ALL assets acquired DURING the marriage should be treated as community assets.
Is our society ready for such laws ?
When.....
Majority of our SG men are not uneducated.
And SG is not a female dominated society, yet.
Most of the men earns a higher income compared to their wives. ( this needs to be verified with proper statistics)
You do know this is how US of A goes about their divorce ways.
And their divorce rates are 50% ?
Are the SG men/women ready to switch family roles ?
And are the SG guys/girls ready to ask for pre-nuptials agreements before asking " Will you marry me?" or saying " I do" ?.
Will it also increase the numbers of co-hab and unmarried couples with kids ?
Will we see a spike in unmarried lower income men ?
There are good and there are bad.
We don't mind embracing the good , but you may want to study also the social ills that comes with such changes.
Lastly, why do men needs to rely so heavily on family laws to protect themselves against money diggers ?
Couldn't they just exercise some good judgments before taking the woman as his wife ?
Now, you mentioned Ivy forced Adrian to sell the flat at a loss.
In the end, did Adrian sell the flat at a loss ?
How can Ivy claim anything if there is a net loss ?
FYI: Amount claim has to be the NET profit, NOT the selling price. ( NOTE)
See, the reason why I find this story hokey ?
Now, if Adrian feels that he should be entitled to 1/3 share of the Condo.
Has he considered what is the true net worth of that piece of property ?
If Ivy has to sell it at a loss, is Adrian going to bear part of the loss too ?
Somebody still has to pay the remaining bank loan you know ???
In my opinion, you are taking a very simplistic approach to the issue.
In a real divorce, there is no such thing as "convenient." -
Now I don't quite understand this part.Originally posted by 787180:I stand up for s'pore men and hope the Women's Charter can be made more equitable for both parties but at the same time ensure the female gender that genuinely requires court protection be alloted the help/protection and not just grant PPOs so easily that the estranged husbands will be investigated for every silly acts as complained by the estranged wives...
Ivy raided Adrain's flat on 2 consecutive sundays wasting police resources just to collect a packet of 2 AA size batteries and the subsequent sunday just to collect a packet of unused condoms(she claimed she paid for it)..see went to harass poor Adrain just to spike him and the Law allowed that to happen.Ridiculous right..all theses at the expense of men.Let there be justice for S'pore Man in marital disputes
Under what grounds are the PPO granted to Ivy ?
Don't tell me the court Any ole how grant to anyone. This is a serious accusation.
Something must have happened, that allows Ivy to be able to obtain it.
To get a PPO, ( copied from internet)
c) In case there has been assault by the spouse, to produce:
i) Photocopies of police reports of assault by spouse, if
any. If you do not have the report. please supply the
Bureau with the date of report and the Police Station/
NPP where report was made.
ii) Hospital /patient appointment cards/receipts to show
the dates on which you sought medical treatment
And, why would Ivy need to raid her own flat ?
Could it be that, Adrian LOCKED the flat and make it inaccessible to IVY ?
Is this raid done before or after the divorce ?
Also, if Adrian claims to not know about Ivy's Thalasemia condition.
That means he has not been paying for her treatment ?
C'mon, I believe the blood transfusion, treatment and medications cannot be cheap. And this is a life long condition that needs to be treated and managed.
So, then can Ivy also claim from Adrian part of the treatment cost since Adrian hasn't been responsible for that at all ?
The way I see it, Adrian is not as victimized as he claims to be.
Now, if you want to fight for more equitable men's rights.
You are not gonna get very much support with this story. -
[quote]Originally posted by jojobeach:
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Now I don't quite understand this part.
Under what grounds are the PPO granted to Ivy ?
Don't tell me the court Any ole how grant to anyone. This is a serious accusation.
Something must have happened, that allows Ivy to be able to obtain it.
To get a PPO, ( copied from internet)
c) In case there has been assault by the spouse, to produce:
i) Photocopies of police reports of assault by spouse, if
any. If you do not have the report. please supply the
Bureau with the date of report and the Police Station/
NPP where report was made.
ii) Hospital /patient appointment cards/receipts to show
the dates on which you sought medical treatment
And, why would Ivy need to raid her own flat ?
Could it be that, Adrian LOCKED the flat and make it inaccessible to IVY ?
Is this raid done before or after the divorce ?
Also, if Adrian claims to not know about Ivy's Thalasemia condition.
That means he has not been paying for her treatment ?
C'mon, I believe the blood transfusion, treatment and medications cannot be cheap. And this is a life long condition that needs to be treated and managed.
So, then can Ivy also claim from Adrian part of the treatment cost since Adrian hasn't been responsible for that at all ?
The way I see it, Adrian is not as victimized as he claims to be.
Now, if you want to fight for more equitable men's rights.
You are not gonna get very much support with this story.
Reply ....
Ivy and her mum were granted interim EO and Adrian was also granted the same kind of EO against both of them but why at FSC the police only listened to their stories and arrested Adrian only.At the police station at ang mo kio Adrian then recalled he had a letter from Tanglin Police after he reported to his MP that her wife9in the midst of divorce) raided tha flat on 2 consecutive sundays just to collect a packet of AA battery and a packet of unused condoms so as to make it embarrassing for Adrian to carry on his work at his home.The raids were accompanied by a few policemen and Ivy would purposefully curse and swear to create a lot of commotion,a technique her mumtaught her probably...that's how her mum harassed her husband previously and he later died a sorrowful man at a nursing home,without a chance to see his sons and 2 daughters(1 of them is Ivy).
Pre-uupital contracts are not enforceable in s;pore as again it was the Women's Charter that supersedes it unlike the West,pre-marriage could be enforced.
Marriage is a gamble...even a seemingly couple married for >20years could also end in divorce and nowadays is common to see a rising trend among the >6000 divorces.
Eaise said the done..Jojo..exercise judgement in selecting spouse..love is blind..things,people's emotions and circumstances change. -
If this is how Adrian explains himself at the Police station. It's no wonder he gets the lock up.Originally posted by 787180:[quote]
Ivy and her mum were granted interim EO and Adrian was also granted the same kind of EO against both of them but why at FSC the police only listened to their stories and arrested Adrian only.At the police station at ang mo kio Adrian then recalled he had a letter from Tanglin Police after he reported to his MP that her wife9in the midst of divorce) raided tha flat on 2 consecutive sundays just to collect a packet of AA battery and a packet of unused condoms so as to make it embarrassing for Adrian to carry on his work at his home.The raids were accompanied by a few policemen and Ivy would purposefully curse and swear to create a lot of commotion,a technique her mumtaught her probably...that's how her mum harassed her husband previously and he later died a sorrowful man at a nursing home,without a chance to see his sons and 2 daughters(1 of them is Ivy).
Pre-uupital contracts are not enforceable in s;pore as again it was the Women's Charter that supersedes it unlike the West,pre-marriage could be enforced.
You didn't answer my question, was the flat LOCKED to prevent Ivy from entering before the divorce get finalized ?
Another questionable point. How old was Ivy and her siblings when their dad died "a lonely death" ?
Perhaps you can champion for Pre-nuptials to be included ? LOL...
This way, lawyers will have another avenue to help couples secure their money.
Also, based on the loan calculator on HDB's website.
A $300K HDB will have at least $1,200 monthly installment.
With a 60K down. And a 2.6% interest. At max 30 years repayment period.
If Adrian's income is a mere $1,500. I highly doubt he can afford a $360,000 home on his own.
Even if the loan is deducted solely from his income. How can he afford to pay for other expenses ?
Is Ivy paying for other utilities? If yes, then shouldn't IVY be considered to be contributing to the flat too ?
If Ivy is really out to torture a man, why would she choose someone like Adrian ?
It would be better for her to find a man with higher income right ?
The cracks are getting bigger my friend.
If anything, Adrian is the real money digger.
He is bitter because he couldn't get his hands on anything from Ivy. -
[quote]Originally posted by jojobeach:
Now I don't quite understand this part.
Under what grounds are the PPO granted to Ivy ?
Don't tell me the court Any ole how grant to anyone. This is a serious accusation.
Something must have happened, that allows Ivy to be able to obtain it.
To get a PPO, ( copied from internet)
c) In case there has been assault by the spouse, to produce:
i) Photocopies of police reports of assault by spouse, if
any. If you do not have the report. please supply the
Bureau with the date of report and the Police Station/
NPP where report was made.
ii) Hospital /patient appointment cards/receipts to show
the dates on which you sought medical treatment
And, why would Ivy need to raid her own flat ?
Could it be that, Adrian LOCKED the flat and make it inaccessible to IVY ?
Is this raid done before or after the divorce ?
Also, if Adrian claims to not know about Ivy's Thalasemia condition.
That means he has not been paying for her treatment ?
C'mon, I believe the blood transfusion, treatment and medications cannot be cheap. And this is a life long condition that needs to be treated and managed.
So, then can Ivy also claim from Adrian part of the treatment cost since Adrian hasn't been responsible for that at all ?
The way I see it, Adrian is not as victimized as he claims to be.
Now, if you want to fight for more equitable men's rights.
You are not gonna get very much support with this story.
[b]Jojo U must be a man hater probably undergoing the same situation as Ivy who was divorced by Adrain...the flat was paid for with contributions from Adrain and his parents/siblings...they were match-make by agency...and probably Ivy wa seyeing adrain graduate status but at that time Adrain had been retrenched...>40s very difficult to find suitable job..hence Adrain has to only work part time..
Ivy was damn cheapskate..denied him of right to access to see his child and yet wanted child maintennance..if she is really determined enough then do away withasking for child maintenance....isn't that cheapskate of Ivy...don't want th efather to see/bond with his child and yet ask him for $$$.Ivy has Thalasimmia major and what if she died prematurely...how is the child going to bond with Adrain ,bearing in mind Ivy's mum already .75years old.>
That's exactly how this old lady tromented his ex husband till he died in mental home and denied him of seeing/bonding with Ivy,her sister and brother
Jojo who do U think U are? A judge/Magistrate from Family Court...if our court have U as the judge..I think all our men better don't get married here.Since U love to dig...call up Ivy at the venue and find out > yourself...I am prepared to fight them(Ivy and her mum) in court to seek justice for Adrain who had been tormented by these 2 witches...for your info..these 2 often chicken out or made very embarrassing mistakes in the trial and had to be reprimanded by the court to tell the truth.One incident I recalled...while going there to support Adrain..."Oh!!! my head is giddy as I can't remember everything,' said Ivy's mum..Judge intercepted and said,'If U tell the U'll not feel giddy...in a span of 5 seconds..U came out with so many versions of Adrain hitting U"It was also at this sitting that Ivy and her mum had to apologise to Adrain and his family. -
787180,
I don't need to be man hater or someone going through divorce, to see through these lies.
And you still refused to answer my questions.
Are you hiding something ? Perhaps the truth ?
So is Ivy Chien her real name ?
FYI
If you spend enough time and effort on the child and do it right.
Child bonding can happen anytime.
You are just angry with Ivy. So stop punishing the child. -
78180, kindly do not accuse jojobeach of being a judge/magistrate when your own words reeks of one such Judge/magistrate attitude.Originally posted by 787180:Jojo U must be a man hater probably undergoing the same situation as Ivy who was divorced by Adrain...the flat was paid for with contributions from Adrain and his parents/siblings...they were match-make by agency...and probably Ivy wa seyeing adrain graduate status but at that time Adrain had been retrenched...>40s very difficult to find suitable job..hence Adrain has to only work part time..
Ivy was damn cheapskate..denied him of right to access to see his child and yet wanted child maintennance..if she is really determined enough then do away withasking for child maintenance....isn't that cheapskate of Ivy...don't want th efather to see/bond with his child and yet ask him for $$$.Ivy has Thalasimmia major and what if she died prematurely...how is the child going to bond with Adrain ,bearing in mind Ivy's mum already .75years old.>
That's exactly how this old lady tromented his ex husband till he died in mental home and denied him of seeing/bonding with Ivy,her sister and brother
Jojo who do U think U are? A judge/Magistrate from Family Court...if our court have U as the judge..I think all our men better don't get married here.Since U love to dig...call up Ivy at the venue and find out > yourself...I am prepared to fight them(Ivy and her mum) in court to seek justice for Adrain who had been tormented by these 2 witches...for your info..these 2 often chicken out or made very embarrassing mistakes in the trial and had to be reprimanded by the court to tell the truth.One incident I recalled...while going there to support Adrain..."Oh!!! my head is giddy as I can't remember everything,' said Ivy's mum..Judge intercepted and said,'If U tell the U'll not feel giddy...in a span of 5 seconds..U came out with so many versions of Adrain hitting U"It was also at this sitting that Ivy and her mum had to apologise to Adrain and his family.
Jojobeach is right.
Your description of raids, harrassment, using vulgar languages & description of the motives of Ivy is exactly that.
One sided story, that if printed out and bought to court, will help Ivy more then Adrain in this matter. You are compunding the issues for Adrain then helping him. There seesm to be more proof of Adrain beinga unreasonable spouse then Ivy. -
78180,
you say that the court has closed the case and ivy & her mother has apologised to adrain and ordered to stay away from adrian and his family.
Might I know, which case is that, so I can read thru that judgemen to confirm your story telling?
And there is further case of slander receiving a warning and that Andy has full right to pursue it further.
Might I know which IO is that? -
So be gay, no one will stop you.Originally posted by ^tamago^:seeing the story and jojobeach's words, i dun wanna get married already. women are vicious nowadays. 
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dOriginally posted by viciouskitty74:78180,
you say that the court has closed the case and ivy & her mother has apologised to adrain and ordered to stay away from adrian and his family.
Might I know, which case is that, so I can read thru that judgemen to confirm your story telling?
And there is further case of slander receiving a warning and that Andy has full right to pursue it further.
Might I know which IO is that?
Adrian filed for divorce in 2002 and was successful im obtaining the decree nisi absolute on 5 April 2005 under case no.D4350/V.
The false police report whereby Ivy alleged Adrain "raped" her and videotaped the act and Ivy was subsequently given a stern poice warning..case was recorded at Ang Mo Kio Central police station.
I understand from Adrain he has asked his lawyer to put on hold the civil suit and if Ivy and her mum should "attack" again ,Adrain would not hesistate to pursue to the fullest bearing in mind the Family Court has already issued a warning to them not to harass Adrain and his family again. -
78180,
I will hereby post you something, something which you have no idea what the Women's charter really encompasses.
To Papa,
Thank you for confiding in this 78180 about your troubles with mummy & grandma.
Thank you for letting your story known, to everyone now who now knows mummy's name and everyone of my classmates & everyone who might want to use mummy to teach them music and who wouldnt anymore because they found out that mummy and grandma are such biatches.
There may be such a chance, that mummy will not have any money now to help pay grandma for the food, electricity & expenses that I will need to incur. And we will need to ask you for more money since mummy cannot generate income anymore, what with her bozzes disliking her and is unhappy with the bad publicity and the harrassment calls to the office. THANK YOU.
Thank you also, for exposing this story about grandma, she now walk me to nursery/school in shame because of your publicity and my classmates, their siblings and mothers shun me because I have a father who can easily sue mummy and make me go to Foster home instead.
Thank you also about the story about the video tape and the police warning. I now know I have a devil mother and it must be that your current family are now angels and I must be devil in my blood thats why you want to take away that women's charter so that I will be known as a devil and must never be allowed to marry and have men suffer your own suffering.
I thank you.