how to work under such a boss?
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when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
Fine, after that, since he dismissed my opinion based on his experience, we did what we have been told. Then all hell broke lose, unknown problems seemed to plague the whole group, we were suffering until one day, he quietly adopted my idea, making no announcement. I had no idea what was on his mind, so I still continued to do what he has previously stipulated for some time.
Then one day he called me into his office, told me he collected enough data and saw how my idea actually worked, then started shooting me. "Did you remember what you wrote on the email that day? You were the one who proposed this, but now why you were doing otherwise? Don't you think this is like slapping your own face?"
I was so frustrated. From that day onward, I never offer him any deep analysis again. I just do what I have been told, then finish task and go home quickly.
There is an advisor in my group, transferred from a parent company. Boss is like under the advisor, won't object to anything he says. The advisor I would say is smart and have plenty of good ideas, but when coming to making the ideas work, he totally cannot make it, looks like a complete novice. Whoever teams up with this guy sufferred, because he always changes the plan, do what he likes. Since my boss doesn't want his advisor to ruin his plan, he told me to team up with the advisor.
So I thought the best way to work with such a person, would be to leave all the planning to him, then just do what I am told. Then today, boss called me into office again, asked me "why your team's progress is so poor? you are the main PIC, shouldn't you be seeing into all these problems?"
Damn him, man! he got rid of a troublemaker, at the expense of me, but still tell me this. I feel like I am being fooled by the boss and advisor. Very sian of going to work now, ever since I joined this company, I didn't think I improved myself much.
What would you do, if you were me?
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Welcome to the real world.
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quit. don't think u can see your long term career there....
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You should stay on.
Learn the art of boot licking first before you move on.
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Change the boss, change yourself...let loose, or change job.
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Originally posted by jabxvc:
when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
See the part highlighted in red above? this is where you totally broke his ego and make him lose all his face. Things were already bad between you and him, and you still send an e-mail to him and CC everyone in it? good luck.
a lot of times, in the real world, you need to apply the following rules:
1) get blamed for mistakes even when you didn't do it
2) accept the accusations as long as it's not a matter of life-and-death
3) say sorry even if you're not in the wrong
4) male bosses generally are more competitives, and super-ego gods. This is why never ever offend your male bosses in ego area. Some female bosses also have ego, but not as much or serious.
5) you seem to be in a rush to show everyone your abilities. Just take it slow and prove yourself when the time comes. At this point, trying to fight against your boss and claim credit even if the idea is yours.........IS A BIG MISTAKE.
6) you need to get into your boss's good books first, before any kind of deal can be worked out. Now, you're playing office politics with him everyday.....where got energy and time to focus on your own achievements?
7) don't take your job too seriously........remember: you're in the company for the farking $$$, not for credit or fame. Can you survive without money and live on fame? No way.Unless the company proves to you that it's a worthy company to lay down your life for (such as the boss is very sincere and good to you), then don't give a fark to the company even if it's on fire.
CHILL!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by jabxvc:
when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
Fine, after that, since he dismissed my opinion based on his experience, we did what we have been told. Then all hell broke lose, unknown problems seemed to plague the whole group, we were suffering until one day, he quietly adopted my idea, making no announcement. I had no idea what was on his mind, so I still continued to do what he has previously stipulated for some time.
Then one day he called me into his office, told me he collected enough data and saw how my idea actually worked, then started shooting me. "Did you remember what you wrote on the email that day? You were the one who proposed this, but now why you were doing otherwise? Don't you think this is like slapping your own face?"
I was so frustrated. From that day onward, I never offer him any deep analysis again. I just do what I have been told, then finish task and go home quickly.
There is an advisor in my group, transferred from a parent company. Boss is like under the advisor, won't object to anything he says. The advisor I would say is smart and have plenty of good ideas, but when coming to making the ideas work, he totally cannot make it, looks like a complete novice. Whoever teams up with this guy sufferred, because he always changes the plan, do what he likes. Since my boss doesn't want his advisor to ruin his plan, he told me to team up with the advisor.
So I thought the best way to work with such a person, would be to leave all the planning to him, then just do what I am told. Then today, boss called me into office again, asked me "why your team's progress is so poor? you are the main PIC, shouldn't you be seeing into all these problems?"
Damn him, man! he got rid of a troublemaker, at the expense of me, but still tell me this. I feel like I am being fooled by the boss and advisor. Very sian of going to work now, ever since I joined this company, I didn't think I improved myself much.
What would you do, if you were me?
The company doesn't belongs to YOU, it belongs to your BOSS.You can make your own act smart decisions ONLY on those tasks which you were entrusted and empowered to do your BEST to complete.
Understand your BOSS and your fellow colleagues and you will survive long enough in the company to outlast all of them in this game called "YOUR JOB".
Be SWEET to everyone around you so that they cannot get enough of you.
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quit the job and move to a different company?
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Face it... a lot of ppl faced more shit than you do... if you can't handle, you can always tender.
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hi,
My humbler advice below, use at your own risk
o when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Ans: Most bosses don’t like opinion unless they ask you personally else don’t provide any opinion.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
Ans: when he got into trouble then u provide him a solution or give him some opinion privately.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
Ans: even he is making a fool out of himself, don’t ever sent out email openly, this is declaring war to him. Best way is not to take any action.
Fine, after that, since he dismissed my opinion based on his experience, we did what we have been told. Then all hell broke lose, unknown problems seemed to plague the whole group, we were suffering until one day, he quietly adopted my idea, making no announcement. I had no idea what was on his mind, so I still continued to do what he has previously stipulated for some time.
Ans: after knowing that he quietly adopt your idea, meaning that was a change of plan already. Drop every previous plan u are doing and change to the new plan immediately.
Then one day he called me into his office, told me he collected enough data and saw how my idea actually worked, then started shooting me. "Did you remember what you wrote on the email that day? You were the one who proposed this, but now why you were doing otherwise? Don't you think this is like slapping your own face?"
Ans: reply tactfully, say boss still u r more è‹±æ˜Žç¥žæ¦ then me.
I was so frustrated. From that day onward, I never offer him any deep analysis again. I just do what I have been told, then finish task and go home quickly.
Ans: u should do this everyday go take up some courses at night, unless u have some other plan.
There is an advisor in my group, transferred from a parent company. Boss is like under the advisor, won't object to anything he says. The advisor I would say is smart and have plenty of good ideas, but when coming to making the ideas work, he totally cannot make it, looks like a complete novice. Whoever teams up with this guy sufferred, because he always changes the plan, do what he likes. Since my boss doesn't want his advisor to ruin his plan, he told me to team up with the advisor.
Ans: boss order already, what to do?
So I thought the best way to work with such a person, would be to leave all the planning to him, then just do what I am told. Then today, boss called me into office again, asked me "why your team's progress is so poor? you are the main PIC, shouldn't you be seeing into all these problems?"
Ans: u better take over the planning..
Damn him, man! he got rid of a troublemaker, at the expense of me, but still tell me this. I feel like I am being fooled by the boss and advisor. Very sian of going to work now, ever since I joined this company, I didn't think I improved myself much.
Ans: 人在江湖飘，哪能�挨刀
What would you do, if you were me?
Ans: pls read the above
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Originally posted by jabxvc:
when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
Fine, after that, since he dismissed my opinion based on his experience, we did what we have been told. Then all hell broke lose, unknown problems seemed to plague the whole group, we were suffering until one day, he quietly adopted my idea, making no announcement. I had no idea what was on his mind, so I still continued to do what he has previously stipulated for some time.
Then one day he called me into his office, told me he collected enough data and saw how my idea actually worked, then started shooting me. "Did you remember what you wrote on the email that day? You were the one who proposed this, but now why you were doing otherwise? Don't you think this is like slapping your own face?"
I was so frustrated. From that day onward, I never offer him any deep analysis again. I just do what I have been told, then finish task and go home quickly.
There is an advisor in my group, transferred from a parent company. Boss is like under the advisor, won't object to anything he says. The advisor I would say is smart and have plenty of good ideas, but when coming to making the ideas work, he totally cannot make it, looks like a complete novice. Whoever teams up with this guy sufferred, because he always changes the plan, do what he likes. Since my boss doesn't want his advisor to ruin his plan, he told me to team up with the advisor.
So I thought the best way to work with such a person, would be to leave all the planning to him, then just do what I am told. Then today, boss called me into office again, asked me "why your team's progress is so poor? you are the main PIC, shouldn't you be seeing into all these problems?"
Damn him, man! he got rid of a troublemaker, at the expense of me, but still tell me this. I feel like I am being fooled by the boss and advisor. Very sian of going to work now, ever since I joined this company, I didn't think I improved myself much.
What would you do, if you were me?
they got one word for this ... .. . . BOSS .... Bully, Overwhelming, Selfish, Schemer . .. .. ... -
Originally posted by jabxvc:
when I first come in to work under him.... I found he doesn't like opinion different to him, although he kept saying he would like to hear all opinions. I was inexperienced in my job, but I tried to give him my opinions, write him reports whenever he asked. However, It was useless, wasting my time, I doubt he read my reports, the final decision is always his.
Worse case....when he got into trouble (not following my suggestion), and then he or someone else worked out a solution, not knowing or forgotten that the issue and the solution were raised and offerred by me long time ago, he would happily tell everybody that this is the correct way and please follow.
On one occasion, when I saw he clearly was making a fool out of himself. I openly sent out an email to the whole group, telling him that it was a bad idea to do this and that. Soon after that, I got rebuked, he said my "criticism" was not backed by sufficient data, email like that could easily provoke people ("did I provoke him?"), from his experience, he is certain his decision is correct, etc, etc
Fine, after that, since he dismissed my opinion based on his experience, we did what we have been told. Then all hell broke lose, unknown problems seemed to plague the whole group, we were suffering until one day, he quietly adopted my idea, making no announcement. I had no idea what was on his mind, so I still continued to do what he has previously stipulated for some time.
Then one day he called me into his office, told me he collected enough data and saw how my idea actually worked, then started shooting me. "Did you remember what you wrote on the email that day? You were the one who proposed this, but now why you were doing otherwise? Don't you think this is like slapping your own face?"
I was so frustrated. From that day onward, I never offer him any deep analysis again. I just do what I have been told, then finish task and go home quickly.
There is an advisor in my group, transferred from a parent company. Boss is like under the advisor, won't object to anything he says. The advisor I would say is smart and have plenty of good ideas, but when coming to making the ideas work, he totally cannot make it, looks like a complete novice. Whoever teams up with this guy sufferred, because he always changes the plan, do what he likes. Since my boss doesn't want his advisor to ruin his plan, he told me to team up with the advisor.
So I thought the best way to work with such a person, would be to leave all the planning to him, then just do what I am told. Then today, boss called me into office again, asked me "why your team's progress is so poor? you are the main PIC, shouldn't you be seeing into all these problems?"
Damn him, man! he got rid of a troublemaker, at the expense of me, but still tell me this. I feel like I am being fooled by the boss and advisor. Very sian of going to work now, ever since I joined this company, I didn't think I improved myself much.
What would you do, if you were me?
if you are in the right, even if the other person is your boss, shoot him back "jialat jialat".no need to give him face one, if he keeps taking you for granted.
worse comes to worst, shoot a formal email of complaint to the next higher level.
remember : this is your ricebowl. if you don't protect it, no one else will.
but if you already plan to leave that company, secure a new job first before you tender your resignation. jobs are hard to find nowadays.
you should be glad that you even have one, while many others are still jobless or retrenched in this recession.
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It depends on how much of your individual integrity are you willing to compromise.
There are rationale and smart compromises but if it gets too much and ridiculous, i don't know how many hours a day you want to waste your life pretending you are too shallow to have opinions and can't think better.
Having a boss who recognises your abilities (and different bosses recognise and appreciate different abilities) will help you to succeed far more than one who persist in focusing on your weaknesses.
If I were you, I will jump ship liao.
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Originally posted by hmsg:
quit. don't think u can see your long term career there....
Bring someone along... better still, whole team you work with.
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Backstab him by sending your complains above to his Boss.
Your Boss's Boss is your friend.
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whahaha i have same fate as u (- -)
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change job
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You aren't as good as he is as you clearly explained your lack of experience in field.And instead of keeping quiet and learning you have paid woth your ego.Suffer.
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You aren't as good as he is as you clearly explained your lack of experience in field.And instead of keeping quiet and learning you have paid woth your ego.Suffer.
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the best is quit and throw the letter at his face.
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Originally posted by charlize:
You should stay on.
Learn the art of boot licking first before you move on.
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seduce him? lol
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