Indonesian Cannot be trusted ?
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I joined this Company owned by the Indonesians as Director at it most fragile state. I turned the Company round from their monthly sale into daily sale. Within, three months, what they took one month to achive, I did it on daily basis. Of course the turn around of the economy helped too. I worked so hard that I somehow neglected my family and both me and my wife went into depression. My friend had asked that I leave the Company earlier as the stress level is just too much for me and also that the Company do not support me as much as they are supposed to but I insisted in staying as I know I can do more but alas, I decided that I should resign as it is affecting my family life quite badly. Finally, last month I resigned but the damn Company do not want to pay me my salary and even the loan I gave to the Company when it need cash. They also owed the contractor and is late on payment for almost everything. Too bad for the Company, ever since I left, they are back to square one. The sale is back to the day before I joined them. They still do not understand that it is the way they work and now, they are pushing all blame at me. I just needed some place to air my grivances as my wife do not want to have anything to do this Company as it had almost break our family up.
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I know a sub con company under the charge of an indonesian as well. Business good, but money wise, dunno how to manage at all. The sales manager was just like you, everyday airing his grievances to me also at personal level, to the extent of not getting his salary for up to 3 months.
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...too many breaks during work are never good.I hope you're able to retrieve your money back
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I do not know a lot of things and am very sympathetic towards your situation, but I have a few things to share.
Sometimes, we need to do some researching before we join a company but even if we done our homework, I don't think we ever be able to find the perfect job. There are several red lights before you accept a job:
1. What is the cashflow like? If you worked your first month and your first pay is delayed more than a week after that, it is not good sign, you should leave.
2. Do you have access to the profit & loss statement, can you see whether the company has been making money for the last 3 years?
3. Bonus and increment, make sure the company is a doing well pays consistent bonus and increment. Even if its small, at least the company is looking after welfare of its employees.
4. How is the job like? Is it a poison chalice? Why did your last predecessor left? Make sure it is a job you like and it is not mission impossible job. Make sure you can handle all the shiit pass down from your predecessor.
5. Working hours. Make sure there is a balance. Before interview, make sure you tell your interviewer what you looking for.
6. Relationship with boss, direct superior? During interview make sure you ask questions and find out what kind of person your superior is. This is the only chance to find out if your direct superior is good fit with yours. Or ask anybody you know that works for this company.
7. What is the culture of the company? During interview, through newspapers, ask friend who formerly work there or currently work there and find out what is the culture. Is the culture a good fit to your working style?
8. Location, location and location. Find out that it is not too far from where you live, accessible and not one with dreaded future postings to places you don't want to go like Sudan.
9. Salary rate. Like bonus and increment, make sure the company offers you what you want. If you take up the job out of desperation, chances are, you will feel disatisfied and you have difficulty in catching up with your expenses
10. Relationship with co-workers. If you are an open social person, this is not a problem.
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sometime you bend your back too much people take for granted.....
its all walks of people......
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
sometime you bend your back too much people take for granted.....
its all walks of people......
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Originally posted by dangerboi:...too many breaks during work are never good.
I hope you're able to retrieve your money back
No la, never take break ... only legitimate annual leave ... If not, how sale improve so much ? -
Originally posted by Hugh Hefner:
I do not know a lot of things and am very sympathetic towards your situation, but I have a few things to share.
Sometimes, we need to do some researching before we join a company but even if we done our homework, I don't think we ever be able to find the perfect job. There are several red lights before you accept a job:
1. What is the cashflow like? If you worked your first month and your first pay is delayed more than a week after that, it is not good sign, you should leave.
2. Do you have access to the profit & loss statement, can you see whether the company has been making money for the last 3 years?
3. Bonus and increment, make sure the company is a doing well pays consistent bonus and increment. Even if its small, at least the company is looking after welfare of its employees.
4. How is the job like? Is it a poison chalice? Why did your last predecessor left? Make sure it is a job you like and it is not mission impossible job. Make sure you can handle all the shiit pass down from your predecessor.
5. Working hours. Make sure there is a balance. Before interview, make sure you tell your interviewer what you looking for.
6. Relationship with boss, direct superior? During interview make sure you ask questions and find out what kind of person your superior is. This is the only chance to find out if your direct superior is good fit with yours. Or ask anybody you know that works for this company.
7. What is the culture of the company? During interview, through newspapers, ask friend who formerly work there or currently work there and find out what is the culture. Is the culture a good fit to your working style?
8. Location, location and location. Find out that it is not too far from where you live, accessible and not one with dreaded future postings to places you don't want to go like Sudan.
9. Salary rate. Like bonus and increment, make sure the company offers you what you want. If you take up the job out of desperation, chances are, you will feel disatisfied and you have difficulty in catching up with your expenses
10. Relationship with co-workers. If you are an open social person, this is not a problem.
Ya, what you say is very true and I did consider that. Pay was ok and always in time ... towards the end, my staff pay is still on time except mine is late.. Sale improve and as I mention, it can be better .. but I hold back as we were not able to cater to further increase sales. There are times we have to reject cargoe and that is no good .. I have no problem with direct boss or subordinate .. in fact we are like a family ... very happy working together and they are willing to stay back without me asking ... but .. The problem is, in Batam, they have to do the second leg of the business which where the major problem arises .. They cannot meet customer demand and it lead into claims ... Then they blame me for getting customer that is difficult and causes so much problem for them ... -
Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:
I joined this Company owned by the Indonesians as Director at it most fragile state. I turned the Company round from their monthly sale into daily sale. Within, three months, what they took one month to achive, I did it on daily basis. Of course the turn around of the economy helped too.
I worked so hard that I somehow neglected my family and both me and my wife went into depression. My friend had asked that I leave the Company earlier as the stress level is just too much for me and also that the Company do not support me as much as they are supposed to but I insisted in staying as I know I can do more but alas, I decided that I should resign as it is affecting my family life quite badly. Finally, last month I resigned but the damn Company do not want to pay me my salary and even the loan I gave to the Company when it need cash.
They also owed the contractor and is late on payment for almost everything. Too bad for the Company, ever since I left, they are back to square one. The sale is back to the day before I joined them. They still do not understand that it is the way they work and now, they are pushing all blame at me.
I just needed some place to air my grivances as my wife do not want to have anything to do this Company as it had almost break our family up.
These sort of things and pattern are very very common in a 3rd world country. The people are stupid and poor and they probably deserve it. They cannot look far and they just want to cheat money everyday. No use working so hard for the stupid company. Show em the Singapore style. Send lawyer's letter to em. They think this place is as low class as indo huh wake up man. This is Singapore one of the richest country in south east asia.
Sorry for the KB as I myself is doing business in a 3rd world country so seen alot this kinda pattern.
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The company not paying you your salary can be a matter properly taken to the Ministry of Manpower's labour relations dept. They will help you.
As for the non-payment of the loan, this is a legal matter that you will have to seek your own redress. How much was the loan? Are there any documentary prove of the loan or witnesses?
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Originally posted by Fenixx:
The company not paying you your salary can be a matter properly taken to the Ministry of Manpower's labour relations dept. They will help you.
As for the non-payment of the loan, this is a legal matter that you will have to seek your own redress. How much was the loan? Are there any documentary prove of the loan or witnesses?
If MOM can help, I don't have any problem. The trouble is, I do not fall into the Employment Act and these blood suckers knew .. they went down there a few times, therefore, they don't want to pay me. In all good faith I worked hard. The result is sad. I swear I won't be working for these people any more. -
Originally posted by Hugh Hefner:
I do not know a lot of things and am very sympathetic towards your situation, but I have a few things to share.
Sometimes, we need to do some researching before we join a company but even if we done our homework, I don't think we ever be able to find the perfect job. There are several red lights before you accept a job:
1. What is the cashflow like? If you worked your first month and your first pay is delayed more than a week after that, it is not good sign, you should leave.
2. Do you have access to the profit & loss statement, can you see whether the company has been making money for the last 3 years?
3. Bonus and increment, make sure the company is a doing well pays consistent bonus and increment. Even if its small, at least the company is looking after welfare of its employees.
4. How is the job like? Is it a poison chalice? Why did your last predecessor left? Make sure it is a job you like and it is not mission impossible job. Make sure you can handle all the shiit pass down from your predecessor.
5. Working hours. Make sure there is a balance. Before interview, make sure you tell your interviewer what you looking for.
6. Relationship with boss, direct superior? During interview make sure you ask questions and find out what kind of person your superior is. This is the only chance to find out if your direct superior is good fit with yours. Or ask anybody you know that works for this company.
7. What is the culture of the company? During interview, through newspapers, ask friend who formerly work there or currently work there and find out what is the culture. Is the culture a good fit to your working style?
8. Location, location and location. Find out that it is not too far from where you live, accessible and not one with dreaded future postings to places you don't want to go like Sudan.
9. Salary rate. Like bonus and increment, make sure the company offers you what you want. If you take up the job out of desperation, chances are, you will feel disatisfied and you have difficulty in catching up with your expenses
10. Relationship with co-workers. If you are an open social person, this is not a problem.
easier said than done
some lie to be employed and some lie to employ people.
black and white is the most important and reliable insurance for both parties; talk is cheap
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testing 123
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Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:
If MOM can help, I don't have any problem. The trouble is, I do not fall into the Employment Act and these blood suckers knew .. they went down there a few times, therefore, they don't want to pay me. In all good faith I worked hard. The result is sad. I swear I won't be working for these people any more.is it same company that u talking to me abt the last time
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Yes. The same company. If you did join me, you should be ok as the other staff do not face the same problem I did.
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why did u even make a loan to the company as an employee....
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Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:
Yes. The same company. If you did join me, you should be ok as the other staff do not face the same problem I did.
so wat u doing/working now ?
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Originally posted by JerryJan:
so wat u doing/working now ?
sueing those bastard while taking a long break . . . : ) -
All I can say is that from experience, you bend over to help others, in the end when you stop helping, you will become the bad guy.
And they will blame you for it.
I'm kinda in that situation now as well
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Originally posted by elindra:
All I can say is that from experience, you bend over to help others, in the end when you stop helping, you will become the bad guy.
And they will blame you for it.
I'm kinda in that situation now as well
Ya, that the feeling ... I am also feeling angry that I was being made used of. Since I had build up a base of customers, they are trying to kick me out and take over my hard work. But as it is, the moment I left, most if not all of my customer leaves too. I had not even tell them anything except I was leaving. I am now asked to help out in another company that deal directly with these Indonesian. My answer was a straight "NO " ... once bitten . . .. .. -
Of course, several Indonesians are an accurate reflection of reality. Of course, Indonesians are all like that. Generalisations are good and should be encouraged.
You're an idiot.