Promising job turn sour....
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Originally posted by redDUST:
macho man, i think if you take this chap's advise, you're doomed.
ok. If you look at his current job, he is only there for 1 year. Imagine that his resume is flooded with job experience at only 1 year, 2 years. This actually give people an impression that he is a job hopper.
Why do I want to train up a person that has a record of job hopping? The general recommendation for a person to stay in a job is about 3 to 5 years. And by that time, he should be promoted or move on. Unless, his job is a contract based or project based, people would like to take on a new things after the contract or project has expired.
If you look at the cost of training up a person from probation to skilled, and finally he is a proficient and effective worker, it is about 3 to 6 months. So he is only be useful for another 6 months!?
If he has really finished up his MBA, I would still recommend him to stay for another 1 years, before he can convincing say that he thinks that he can do more than his current job.Or this current boss does not move, so he have to move out.
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Originally posted by redDUST:
you mean you got much to do about nothing? yes, i hear ppl get sick from that too.....and i don't think it is a matter of you can't do nothing about that, rather you are doing nothing about it.
i think your suspicion about your mental state is true though....
Try that, I currently got 10 GB of scattered data to analyse manually spreading over 3 computers, and with it a report over 100 pages which is due the end of this month. It is headache. sianz. to make it worse, I am not good at writting report, and I hate analysing data.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
no need to put everything in your resume. like me there are sometimes in my resume no job. but its a world of companies out there to see. just put a few for your job looking can oredi. show some strength, hide some stregth. show some weakness, hide some weakness. when work work like water, so people don;t know where you are strongest. let them hit you hard where they think you are weakest. then they know. even my boss and people interview me don;t knwo where i have been in the past. they think they kow but unless i tell them, they will never know. but really now i can;t because i forgotten. so many places i been to, all the caompanies and their canteens seems so familiar to me, like t=i have deen there before - Deja Vu!
I don't know if you realise the severity of your actions, if you omit anything in your resume, chances are the employer will find out. The HR is not dumb, they can see the gaps in your job history and ask you why you have been out of job during this period. If you try to bluff your way by putting "extending" your previous job history, the HR does reference checks. The more reputable the employer you apply to, the more reference checks theydo to your resume.
They won't know it when they interview you but after they hire you, they will check your background. If they find out you r lying, they will put all sorts of pressure at you when working.
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Well, if you are looking for better opportunities without leaving a bad reputation on your resume..given your near completion of MBA..you might want to consider going to Hotel to work in the management dept..
this way you can be part of the events planning and they do expose you to huge events which you will gain experiences and help get your brain thinking..which will help you facilitate and let you understand yourself better..
this is probably the best time since 2 Integrated Resort Hotels headhunted lots of experience staffs over already, so you can go in and fill in the gaps caused by the IR..
it's not really highest pay, but you'll gain lots of experience depending on how you look at each event/dinner/client you serve & interact with.
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
That is why, i also tell my interviewers the same thing, I am very adaptable ! But they are not convince and they are afraid to hire me because they think i wiould leave after a short while. You know, employers are very selfish, they only think about themselves, they firstly value loyalty as the main reason for hiring.
I have also known people who worked for 10 years and then when they change job, they suddenly found themselves in an alien environment and they fail to adapt.
I think I have to stay, no choice about that. Its not easy to find the right job. Attending interviews is hard because if i take leave my employer will be suspicious of me, especially when I take a lot of leave.
And then employes do reference checks, if i leave my current company on a bad note, then they may say harsh things about me to the new employer and then wallah, the new boss will act like teh old boss to test me.
TS,
By now you already have accumulated 8 yrs of worked experience. Why not you write an ideal job description for yourself than you look at what you are currently doing? Does any line item JD matches your desire JD?
Does your past JD depict some of your desire JD? (So you are building up your horizontal portfolio already. ) I just want you to aware what you have already "Gained"
With the JD asked yourself what kind of "Designation" would a job be? What type of companies would be having that type of responsibilty? Than you can applied for to those companies instead of blindly send out resume.
2nd point --
What kind of company cultured you worked in? Is it a local enterprised? or is it a multinational enterprised?
maybe nobody is going to feed you? you have to wake up and push some buttons?
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Originally posted by Lokey:
then your case is very simple. After you finish your MBA, get really to move on to another place, set up a business or take over one.
I think you are overpowered, and you feel that there is more you can do. Try doing volunteering then for the time being.
My guess is that you are still single, so concentrate in looking for a mate.
I think you are narrow in your scope,how about your fitness, health, and other prespectives.
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Please be aware that current hiring Trend is not about hiring someone who got experience. It is about "Talent Acqusition"
Qualification with MBA doesn't give you the cut, You must be good at what you do?
The Notion of Job Hope.....
I will shared this experience with you. My wify work for last 15 yrs and she only stayed at each job for 3 yrs or less some even less than 9 months.
Recently she applied and got called for interview. The interviewer ask her what we need to do to "keep you" she gave her answers and is now meeting with regional director.
Dude do not be a Boring Guy!!!! During interview Show your "Talent"
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
TS,
By now you already have accumulated 8 yrs of worked experience. Why not you write an ideal job description for yourself than you look at what you are currently doing? Does any line item JD matches your desire JD?
Does your past JD depict some of your desire JD? (So you are building up your horizontal portfolio already. ) I just want you to aware what you have already "Gained"
With the JD asked yourself what kind of "Designation" would a job be? What type of companies would be having that type of responsibilty? Than you can applied for to those companies instead of blindly send out resume.
2nd point --
What kind of company cultured you worked in? Is it a local enterprised? or is it a multinational enterprised?
maybe nobody is going to feed you? you have to wake up and push some buttons?
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
The JD says I am suppose to do this but the actual work is otherwise.
To your second point, surprisingly I am working for a MNC. But this MNC is badly run. Disorganized, people like to tai chee and some managers got attitude problem, very sianz lah. My previous company also MNC, but everything very systematic and organized. They have briefings and proper instructions are laid out verbally and by email before they actually do the job. Also there is proper JOB TRAINING. Over here, the boss is quite selfish. He wants me to figure everything myself or else if i don't finish the work, he will take it and do it for himself. THe boss said that when he joined the co, he had to figure everything out himself, this is not the proper way ! A proper leader should train his staff. That is what a manager is for. Managers should have leadership and provide training, not do his staff's work.
Its so degrading, its like you are the new striker Hernandez and suddenly Sir Alex thinks he is not up to the job, instead Sir Alex fields himself as the striker. You see how ridiculous my boss is?
Sound like you expect people to train you? but how about your contribution? initiative?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Please be aware that current hiring Trend is not about hiring someone who got experience. It is about "Talent Acqusition"
Qualification with MBA doesn't give you the cut, You must be good at what you do?
The Notion of Job Hope.....
I will shared this experience with you. My wify work for last 15 yrs and she only stayed at each job for 3 yrs or less some even less than 9 months.
Recently she applied and got called for interview. The interviewer ask her what we need to do to "keep you" she gave her answers and is now meeting with regional director.
Dude do not be a Boring Guy!!!! During interview Show your "Talent"
To tell you the truth, getting the interview is one thing, doing the job is another. I think I am ok with interviews, convincing the potential employers. But its when i start taking over the job, that is when the complication starts. I may come from a different culture from the past and suddenly the way things done in the new company becomes a cultuire shock and makes me feel so disatisfied with the way things are done here.
I am not sure about you wife, perhaps she has talents to make it at the job. But for me, I have been having a series of bad lucks getting bosses who are not open to mentoring, not open to training, not open to cooperation, not open to proper systematic and coordination. This boss is very disorganized.
Yep, you are right, Show my talent is very important. But the fun stops the moment you are hired and you start the pain of the new job. Of course all said and done, I do appreciate and am grateful that I am hired but getting pass the obstacle of a new job is another different pain altogether.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Sound like you expect people to train you? but how about your contribution? initiative?
I do bring a lot of inititiative. I ask my boss a lot of things. But he getts annoyed at me and accuses me of not checking the work properly and bugging him and even had the audacity say I accuse him.What does he expect? In my previous company, whent the template comes, the management would discuss over this and managers are open to staff feedback. Its an open discussion. Here, the boss just brush me off one side like I am not important. I really think he is a cuckoo. I don't want to make mistake so anyting i am not sure, i have to ask him.
Come on, there are a lot of things I am not sure about the templates, of course i have to ask him. But he accuse me of not looking and studying at them properly. What good use of me studying them when he doesn't trust me with teh work? He does it anyway. Jerk..him.
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
To tell you the truth, getting the interview is one thing, doing the job is another. I think I am ok with interviews, convincing the potential employers. But its when i start taking over the job, that is when the complication starts. I may come from a different culture from the past and suddenly the way things done in the new company becomes a cultuire shock and makes me feel so disatisfied with the way things are done here.
I am not sure about you wife, perhaps she has talents to make it at the job. But for me, I have been having a series of bad lucks getting bosses who are not open to mentoring, not open to training, not open to cooperation, not open to proper systematic and coordination. This boss is very disorganized.
Yep, you are right, Show my talent is very important. But the fun stops the moment you are hired and you start the pain of the new job. Of course all said and done, I do appreciate and am grateful that I am hired but getting pass the obstacle of a new job is another different pain altogether.
Just want to make an observation thru your responses....
Yep, you are right, Show my talent is very important. But the fun stops the moment you are hired and you start the pain of the new job. Of course all said and done, I do appreciate and am grateful that I am hired but getting pass the obstacle of a new job is another different pain altogether.
U know it is one aspect to BS your way to get a job is another to show performance once you are in a JOB. nobody is going to feed you because you claim you can do a job?
alot got to do with what you pick up over the last 8 years that is why i asked you what skills set you learned previously. Unless you walked into a totally unrelated job....get what i mean?
Product knowledge in new company you need to ask question. read thru. claim the ropes as you claim you can adapt. Maybe people expect u got to stop looking up for guidence.
2nd point
What about other departments in the company are they having the same problems?
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
Just want to make an observation thru your responses....
Yep, you are right, Show my talent is very important. But the fun stops the moment you are hired and you start the pain of the new job. Of course all said and done, I do appreciate and am grateful that I am hired but getting pass the obstacle of a new job is another different pain altogether.
U know it is one aspect to BS your way to get a job is another to show performance once you are in a JOB. nobody is going to feed you because you claim you can do a job?
alot got to do with what you pick up over the last 8 years that is why i asked you what skills set you learned previously. Unless you walked into a totally unrelated job....get what i mean?
Product knowledge in new company you need to ask question. read thru. claim the ropes as you claim you can adapt. Maybe people expect u got to stop looking up for guidence.
2nd point
What about other departments in the company are they having the same problems?
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
Well, if you are looking for better opportunities without leaving a bad reputation on your resume..given your near completion of MBA..you might want to consider going to Hotel to work in the management dept..
this way you can be part of the events planning and they do expose you to huge events which you will gain experiences and help get your brain thinking..which will help you facilitate and let you understand yourself better..
this is probably the best time since 2 Integrated Resort Hotels headhunted lots of experience staffs over already, so you can go in and fill in the gaps caused by the IR..
it's not really highest pay, but you'll gain lots of experience depending on how you look at each event/dinner/client you serve & interact with.
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
I don't know if you realise the severity of your actions, if you omit anything in your resume, chances are the employer will find out. The HR is not dumb, they can see the gaps in your job history and ask you why you have been out of job during this period. If you try to bluff your way by putting "extending" your previous job history, the HR does reference checks. The more reputable the employer you apply to, the more reference checks theydo to your resume.
They won't know it when they interview you but after they hire you, they will check your background. If they find out you r lying, they will put all sorts of pressure at you when working.
I don;t put extended period. all the jobs i put in my resume are true. only some i never put in. i don;t care about the gaps even if its more tahn a year. i reaport true its more tahn a year. i tell them i take a long break. they can go and check everything and sk for my previous company reference and it will be true as my resume. justthose jobs i never put in tthey difficult to check. i don;t feel like putting in some companies i go to mah, cannot meh? this against the law?
the lying hr are looking for are those who put single, latter married, pregnant have to go on leave. ly about no job currently and make HR job difficult if they on emplyment passes, drugs, criminal records, ly about job description which they had never really did, or only trule got 1/2 fck knowledge only.
The reason why they don;t like me is because they think or feel i yaya. but its true because i really look donw on them. even those higher level ones because the main thing is the place all stinks like a opium den with so many smokers around. its an opium den i tell you so they can go for ISO14000 but specifically make yellow boxes and tell auditor see we have army yellwo boxes to make it enviromental friendly.
yes they want people who knows one another to work for the comany because they cannot work with strnagers, people they don;y know or work with before. just likea communist state they want to work it they way. but they don;t know if play commy i am one damn badass commy over their commy ideas.
the whole production all fcare attituade when they make products i in quality see lots or rjection and know they just hack care pack bad parts with good parts so everyday coustomer complain. those need to reject one they overlook, those no need to reject their highlight make fun because at that moment they free.
Just like you why edit your post? ARe you in Agony? more like youare still wastig your time waiting in the company to train you whe you can just go look and work for another company. in your company look around the place, your computer system. there are lots of things youcan learna dn train yourslef even if no one wnants to train you.fool
and also when peole train you you mus tpick your trainner carefully. professionally one who prepares some materials with note sna dprint them for you prior to a verbal traingin session means that trainer 50% pass already and your training 50% over already. some other though smart but if youare experience in workin ebough you willknow whether they trule train or tell you the truth, or just train so can push some things cannot be done one to you while he / she do others sh can gain credit ones. though he / she may think he / she is doing very good.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
I don;t put extended period. all the jobs i put in my resume are true. only some i never put in. i don;t care about the gaps even if its more tahn a year. i reaport true its more tahn a year. i tell them i take a long break. they can go and check everything and sk for my previous company reference and it will be true as my resume. justthose jobs i never put in tthey difficult to check. i don;t feel like putting in some companies i go to mah, cannot meh? this against the law?
the lying hr are looking for are those who put single, latter married, pregnant have to go on leave. ly about no job currently and make HR job difficult if they on emplyment passes, drugs, criminal records, ly about job description which they had never really did, or only trule got 1/2 fck knowledge only.
The reason why they don;t like me is because they think or feel i yaya. but its true because i really look donw on them. even those higher level ones because the main thing is the place all stinks like a opium den with so many smokers around. its an opium den i tell you so they can go for ISO14000 but specifically make yellow boxes and tell auditor see we have army yellwo boxes to make it enviromental friendly.
yes they want people who knows one another to work for the comany because they cannot work with strnagers, people they don;y know or work with before. just likea communist state they want to work it they way. but they don;t know if play commy i am one damn badass commy over their commy ideas.
the whole production all fcare attituade when they make products i in quality see lots or rjection and know they just hack care pack bad parts with good parts so everyday coustomer complain. those need to reject one they overlook, those no need to reject their highlight make fun because at that moment they free.
Just like you why edit your post? ARe you in Agony? more like youare still wastig your time waiting in the company to train you whe you can just go look and work for another company. in your company look around the place, your computer system. there are lots of things youcan learna dn train yourslef even if no one wnants to train you.fool
and also when peole train you you mus tpick your trainner carefully. professionally one who prepares some materials with note sna dprint them for you prior to a verbal traingin session means that trainer 50% pass already and your training 50% over already. some other though smart but if youare experience in workin ebough you willknow whether they trule train or tell you the truth, or just train so can push some things cannot be done one to you while he / she do others sh can gain credit ones. though he / she may think he / she is doing very good.
Up to you, it is your life, up to you if you want to risk it. Singapore is a very small island, chances of you running into somebody you worked with before, is very high.
You fool? You fool is more like it, don't call me that, I haven't said anything offensive to you. Boss is not suppose to do the work for you, he is suppose to provide leadership, coordination and organisation to the department. He is suppose to delegate. If you been to good companies, they bother to implement training. All top companies have training schemes, leadership courses. My former company has training schemes, they even have good handover approach whereby the new staff is briefed properly what they should do before they start the job.
Here, everything is disorganised.
Why I cannot delete? I can what. Like what you say, it is not a crime.
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Originally posted by Macho Man:
Up to you, it is your life, up to you if you want to risk it. Singapore is a very small island, chances of you running into somebody you worked with before, is very high.
You fool? You fool is more like it, don't call me that, I haven't said anything offensive to you. Boss is not suppose to do the work for you, he is suppose to provide leadership, coordination and organisation to the department. He is suppose to delegate. If you been to good companies, they bother to implement training. All top companies have training schemes, leadership courses. My former company has training schemes, they even have good handover approach whereby the new staff is briefed properly what they should do before they start the job.
Here, everything is disorganised.
Why I cannot delete? I can what. Like what you say, it is not a crime.
hey man. like i care? distroy evidence of your weakness. so easy a problem you cannot solve must coime here seek help. like i wrote i can don;t put anyting inside my resume and still get jobs. like you work 1 year and waste one year begging in a company to provide learning opportunities for you -
Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
hey man. like i care? distroy evidence of your weakness. so easy a problem you cannot solve must coime here seek help. like i wrote i can don;t put anyting inside my resume and still get jobs. like you work 1 year and waste one year begging in a company to provide learning opportunities for youThere is something I know about what you do, but I am not going to say it. As you say, like I care? And then what if you go to another company and it turns out to be something similar or worse? Then? Leave again? Grass is not always greenier on the other side, different challenges.
Stay long enough so that you can learn how to tackle the same problem when you go elsewhere. But don't leave after a year or two. What we got to lose anyway? It is not as if we are professional footballers, whereby our soccer career only lasts until we are 32 years old then after that, our old legs cannot play anymore. With retirement age extended, we can work pass our 60s. So stay back one or two more years won't kill us, ya know.