Morning Thoughts III - On the bus....
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I boarded a bus and was rushing down to meet friends to have our dinner. The bus was a double decker bus and as usual, I took a seat in the above deck.
Then after a couple of stops and reveling in the songs played by my discman - I saw a butch coming up the stairs and walked towards an empty two seater. She stood there for a moment and looking towards the stairs and something tells me she is waiting for her stead - I was right.
The lady, who was much taller than the butch sat inside and then the butch sat down. Obviously, being the usual me, such sight was common and I din even bother to take notice or even look at them. Although the uncle near them was giving them that kind of disapproving stare.
It was only when the girl kept looking at the butch with such eyes - the stuff I learning about body language was telling me, in my mind, that these two were very loving as a lesbian couple - lots of theories, concepts and thoughts came up (Ok lar, I am just being myself aka Yunhaier.
) Still, things didn't really bother me.
It was only when the girl arched over the butch and kissed her and i was surprised by her suddenly actions. (I was behind her). I tried to look away and focus on the lyrics of the song I am listening to.
Things got carried away.
The girl started nibbling on the butch's neck, more kisses, hugs, cuddling and lovely gazing and made me rather uncomfortable. The girl's eye never even dart anywhere away from the butch - the both of them were lost deeply in the world of their own.
Until when I got down my bus, did I managed to evade successfully.
I counselled people, friends and you yuan ren whenever the situations arise about BGR, however, when it comes to Gay relationship - I mean don't curse, spit, or mind these relation, but I don't really advice friends on how to maintain them or deal with them.
I think most religion condemn homosexual relationship. For me, this opposition goes from promiscuity, prostitution, group sex, sexual abuse of children, rape, and any sex that did not have some spiritual basis - Both homosexuals and heterosexuals have been guilty of these acts. So sexual activity between homosexual could be spiritual and not plain lust.
I know its 5.30 am in the morning and you people might be wondering why the hell am I not sleeping. Well, my aspiration comes at night mah. Could post longer by explaining why homosexual exist in spiritual explaination, but I think many will be skipping this post by then. Ok lar - end my nonsense here.
P.S: If anyone could quote any religious verse, etc that speaks about Homosexual relations would be welcome here. I would like to know what different religions has to say about this issue.
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too bad nowadays dun have the Inquisition anymore...
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what do you mean "too bad"?
The Inquisition was one of the worst times in human history, where the greed of another can cause wild accusations to be made, and punishment meted out without proof on usually innocent people.. usually fatal punishment..
Gay people are human also...
They have the same rights as heterosexual peopleOriginally posted by Syusaku:too bad nowadays dun have the Inquisition anymore... -
Religion condemns homosexuality? I thought society condemns them.Originally posted by Yunhaier:I think most religion condemn homosexual relationship. For me, this opposition goes from promiscuity, prostitution, group sex, sexual abuse of children, rape, and any sex that did not have some spiritual basis - Both homosexuals and heterosexuals have been guilty of these acts.
So sexual activity between homosexual could be spiritual and not plain lust.
Cheers
I don't understand why you said sexual activities between homosexual can be spiritual. How did you derive to this conclusion. -
In CloUdiSm Remix III records - Love and sex are interconnected - however, sex is caused by nature's urge and ways to ensure the continuity of human race. Male and female mate to reproduce - it applies to all living things on earth - Love is seldom the reason. This explains the reason why man could screw almost any girl as long as she seemed decent to him, even if he don't like her.Originally posted by star princess:Religion condemns homosexuality? I thought society condemns them.
I don't understand why you said sexual activities between homosexual can be spiritual. How did you derive to this conclusion.
Human's soul are a higher level than any form of animal and beast -they could experience emotions far more than just anger, hungry, etc.
If you understand the point above, here's again theory to add on to
ALL sexual relationships depend on masculine and feminine energies, and that this INCLUDED homosexual relationships
What makes a sexual relationship spiritual? When you married the one you truely love (consider this as true love) - and when you had sexual relationship with him/her - the both of you will be satisfied spiritually, emotionally and physically because you love him/her and the act of sex is a sacred and beautiful thing.
How do you define true love? Everyone comes into this world searching for their soul partner - this is your true love.
Ok, I admit this is getting chim.
In a human male or woman - nobody is purely male or female, everyone rotates around the two extreme - determine by the psychological, spiritual and astrological you. A woman, could be Heterosexual, but she acts/behavior in a very tomboyish manner, vice vista.
Therefore from here, you could have two girls or two guys, biologically, liking each other - drawn by the opposite energy. (Law of Polarity) and if it happened to be the soul partner, the act of sex is spirtual (exactly the same way as what you feel when a couple truely in love made love with one another - satisfied the spiritual aspect of love.)
I admit this sounded real confusing and chim - that's why reply post so little. (Hiak hiak ).
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Ok lar. For people who ain't so deep in their thoughts - here's a simple question:
What if you were married and bore a child and when the child grow up (probably alread 16 - 1
and you discover that she is a lesbian/gay?
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i don't think a person is born a homosexual.
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Urge can be suppressed, temptation can be resisted. I strongly believe that men can have the power to say NO. Men are men and they are not beast. (unless one chooses to be)Originally posted by Yunhaier:In CloUdiSm Remix III records - Love and sex are interconnected - however, sex is caused by nature's urge and ways to ensure the continuity of human race. Male and female mate to reproduce - it applies to all living things on earth - Love is seldom the reason. This explains the reason why man could screw almost any girl as long as she seemed decent to him, even if he don't like her.
Human's soul are a higher level than any form of animal and beast -they could experience emotions far more than just anger, hungry, etc. -
To be dead frank about this, if I had a child and the child grows up, and is gay.. so be it.. as long as my child is happy and is a good and upright person, I'd be very proud of my child.Originally posted by Yunhaier:Ok lar. For people who ain't so deep in their thoughts - here's a simple question:
What if you were married and bore a child and when the child grow up (probably alread 16 - 18 ) and you discover that she is a lesbian/gay?
What would you or not do? Say? Comments? etc? -
Originally posted by Yunhaier:
Hmm? nobody is purely male or female? Either you have a d*ck or you don't. So why not? But i agree a female does have her masuline side sometimes.
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In a human male or woman - nobody is purely male or female, everyone rotates around the two extreme - determine by the psychological, spiritual and astrological you. -
Originally posted by star princess:i don't think a person is born a homosexual.
s/he may be influenced by culture, by the people who surrounds him/her and the lifestyle s/he leads.
Everything affects.
I hear about this story of a baby who was born and is both a guy and a girl. Doctor asked whether gender they prefer and the family decide female.
Since young, the baby was brought up, played with dolls, wore skirts, and was influenced, taught the way a daughter ought to be taught by their parents. In the end, when the child grew up, she feels a 'guy trapped in a girl's body' and in the end, she went operation and became a guy.
So what does this mean?
There are both female and masculine energy in all of us - doesn't mean you are born a male automatically means you have more masculine energy in you. Evidence is everywhere - you definitely seen or known people who are guys and they are more feminine then you.
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That's the difference - human have high intelligent and implanted with emotions. They can say NO... but by saying no doesn't mean the urge isn't there right?Originally posted by star princess:Urge can be suppressed, temptation can be resisted. I strongly believe that men can have the power to say NO. Men are men and they are not beast. (unless one chooses to be)
its moral that prevent people from acting like beast. Of course to those who doesn't have morals, its a different case. -
yup i agree with what you said. This is perverted upbringing But what i meant abt no one is BORN a homosexual - i was saying that God didn't make human homosexual. It's the external factors that affects.Originally posted by Yunhaier:Since young, the baby was brought up, played with dolls, wore skirts, and was influenced, taught the way a daughter ought to be taught by their parents. In the end, when the child grew up, she feels a 'guy trapped in a girl's body' and in the end, she went operation and became a guy.
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Oh nono... you misinterpreted me missy.Originally posted by star princess:Hmm? nobody is purely male or female? Either you have a d*ck or you don't. So why not? But i agree a female does have her masuline side sometimes.
I am not saying biologically, I am saying the character and personality of one.
If there say there is a scale measuring how male or female you are in a scale of 0 to 100% - no humans in this world is 100% female or 100% male.
You will know and seen people who are very feminine or male chauvinist, which marks a very high percentage in the scale, but definitely not a direct 100%.
Clearer?
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Definitely but again, you are not tempted beyond what you can resist.Originally posted by Yunhaier:but by saying no doesn't mean the urge isn't there right? -
You have seen babies born into this world with physical defects right? by nature, it wasn't intended in the first place isn't it? But it does happen.Originally posted by star princess:yup i agree with what you said. This is perverted upbringing But what i meant abt no one is BORN a homosexual - i was saying that God didn't make human homosexual. It's the external factors that affects.
Everything happens for a reason - when something happened, it has its own reason to be there. Karma... -
you moved out of the homosexual topic? anyway babies physical defects.. yup yup. Sometimes there are scientific reasons and sometimes, old woman's myths but nobody can explain anyway.Originally posted by Yunhaier:You have seen babies born into this world with physical defects right? by nature, it wasn't intended in the first place isn't it? But it does happen.
Everything happens for a reason - when something happened, it has its own reason to be there. Karma... -
Under needs theory - when people have a need, they will go satisfy their needs. Human has intelligence and more forms of emotions. This needs is regulated by what people call morals, which governs things that what's wrong and what's right.Originally posted by star princess:Definitely but again, you are not tempted beyond what you can resist.
So if you put the whole thing in the picture - A male will seek to mate when he can - BUT the moral comes into the picture and attempt to resist, block and rational the way of doing. Therefore you don't see a guy trying to mate every single female on the street, etc.
Nature urge can be suppress through resisting manually and psychologically - but you can't get rid of it. Hetero or homosexual have their own sexual needs
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But many times i've seen men in relationships, blinded by the desires of his own flesh, seeking to pursue short-term satisfaction, risking hurting the one who loves him.Originally posted by Yunhaier:So if you put the whole thing in the picture - A male will seek to mate when he can - BUT the moral comes into the picture and attempt to resist, block and rational the way of doing. Therefore you don't see a guy trying to mate every single female on the street, etc. -
No lar, under the same topic. You mentioned that nobody is born homosexual and God didn't create them either, so must be external factors that shaped them, so I am just saying babies with physical defects ain't part of God's intention too - but neither majority of them are them subjected to external factors.Originally posted by star princess:you moved out of the homosexual topic? anyway babies physical defects.. yup yup. Sometimes there are scientific reasons and sometimes, old woman's myths but nobody can explain anyway. There is no definite answer, very subjective. But all these are my views and theories lar, just like yours. -
Ah ha... this is a different topic altogether. You know something? I can talk for hours on subjects like this.Originally posted by star princess:But many times i've seen men in relationships, blinded by the desires of his own flesh, seeking to pursue short-term satisfaction, risking hurting the one who loves him.
People ain't born knowing what is love and how to love. Everyone comes into this world having to learn cosmic lesson and if you were to categorized it under 2 huge general category, it is...
I) Receiving what others owe you.
II) Giving what you owe others.
Analogy:
Before you learn how to drive a car, you need to go for your practical class. There, your instructor will teach you. The number of class is infinite - but as more lesson you go, the more your learn, but the more you pay.
I know of my friend's friend taking only 7 lesson and passed his TP, while others who took dunno how many lessons before they actually passed.
So what do I mean?
Before you will find the right one, you will meet from a couple to several to many wrong ones - each is like a stepping stone to your final destination.
A man that betrays their gf, etc - he doesn't know the value of appreciation and his lust is consumed by nature's urge - that's his own lesson he would have to go through and learn.
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hmm... makes sense.
Yunhaier, i think you should keep a diary to store all your thoughts. -
Already kept and still keeping - CloUdiSm Remix III!Originally posted by star princess:hmm... makes sense.
Yunhaier, i think you should keep a diary to store all your thoughts.
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Yunhaier
if u put eveything in ur diary
u will be able to write books -
You ripped exact words from my mouth.Originally posted by the Bear:To be dead frank about this, if I had a child and the child grows up, and is gay.. so be it.. as long as my child is happy and is a good and upright person, I'd be very proud of my child.