To: Devil1976
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Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:
1st assumption: There might be a story
This is not an assumption... This is a FACT. Read AGAIN CAREFULLY.... "There MIGHT be a story...." Just in case you don't know what it means... It simply there can be a story... There can be not?
2nd assumption: There IS a story
3rd assumption: There IS a story, but you don't know the story
4th aussmption: There IS a story, but you don't know the story (yet again)
"IN FACT... Like I've mentioned earlier... There're ALMOST USUALLY a 'story behind' it... "
5th assumption: a assumption with reference to the 1st assumption
Another FACT you've gotta to LEARN... There're NOTHING WRONG with ASSUMPTIONS.... In fact, your life is FULL of them... eg. When you wanna go catch an appointment with a friend. You think take MRT can reach less than 20 mins... And appointment's time is 30 mins later... You KNOW you can reach there within less than 20 mins... But IN FACT you're ONLY ASSUMING it....? You might be caught late if the MRT breaks down... Or maybe some other events might happen....
The PROBLEM you're trying to DIG from my post should be GROUNDLESS ASSUMPTIONS.... It's these which people find hard to swallow... And like I'd discussed with Ric... MOST cases USUALLY falls between groundless assumptions and concrete evidence (which actually hardly exist...)..... Rendering them SUBJECTIVE.
And given the ASSUMPTION I was making, I personally don't find it hard to swallow at all? In a normal Newtonian world, CAUSE & EFFECTs are at play... It would seems VERY UNLIKELY that a bf would just yell at a gf in public FOR NOTHING. Hence, my ASSUMPTION in other words would be it's ALMOST USUALLY.... Not 100% but of HIGH LIKELIHOOD.....
UNLESS of course the bf is an EXTREME bad-nature guy who would go to the extreme of yelling at his gf for NOTHING... Which would also render him VERY CLOSE to the 2nd possibility.... A COMPLETE LUNATIC... <- Someone who doesn't need a reason to do anything...
Then again, you tell me yourself what are the CHANCES that it would be the case?
Well i said GENERAL..and if that's not enough i said INITIAL.Find me a sample that will prove that wrong.
I didn't say you're wrong...? In FACT I said it's NORMAL for an INITIAL GENERAL response.... Please get your facts right BEFORE you wanna start an arguement with someone...?
Now what i'm trying to say is, i don't know the 2 of them..i don't know if there's any story behind the whole thing (becasue i don't
assume), but my initial response to such a scene of a bf yelling at a gf (and please take note, based on what the poster has said..its a case of bf yelling at gf and gf was crying, without retaliation in any form and NOT A CASE OF COUPLE YELLING AND SHOUTING AT EACH OTHER) has to be anger isn't it.
Please refer to the above... I also mentioned it doesn't have to be the only response... Though I agreed with you that it's probably gonna be a NORM. -
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x2Originally posted by FireIce:s
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For the benefits of other 'kpos' who don't catch any balls at all...
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=62782&page=0
~Hand out popcorns*...~
*Bills would be sent to your house and each packet would be charged at $5. -
Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:
Now, look at this from its surface and do not make any assumptions that there might be a story. Tell me, how should the onlookers feel?
This is a 'forced situation' created by you to DECEIVE yourself? So as to make people 'agree' with you? In my eyes it's kinda PATHETIC... And let me tell you why....
If you want me NOT to make any assumption that there might be a story behind it, then you would 1st have to ASSUME that there isn't a story behind it... Isn't that an ASSUMPTION on your part? Then how can there be 'no assumptions'? If you want me NOT to make an assumption that there's a story behind, then similarly I would have the rights to ask you NOT to assume that there's NO story behind it? Well.. That would AT LEAST put us on EQUAL grounds now... Won't it? That would simply means that there's also a CHANCE that onlookers MIGHT think otherwise...? UNLESS of course you PRESUME that they also all run on the same softwares and similar version of it...? THAT might give you an ULTIMATE SIMILAR response you so much wants me to agree with? Oh yeah... That is also ASSUMING that the systems running the programs don't develop any fault or bugs... And ALSO ASSUMING that the systems won't burn out or anything which would cause the hardware to degrade giving you further responses that would varies from one another...? Hmm.... Maybe that won't be so hard to swallow for you? Make PERFECT SENSE to you yeah?
There are things which we should ponder beyond the surface, but
there are also situations where it just isn't possible. You said.."THE LOGIC HERE IS TO KEEP YOUR EMOTIONS IN CHECK." Well this is because you already have the assumption that THERE IS A STORY BEHIND THE WHOLE THING (point out any part of your post which you suggest there might not be any), and so without knowing the story, we shouldn't make any conclusions. All these, based on your assumptions (if the 6 areas which i highlighted is sufficient) that there IS a story behind.
You keep suggesting you are constantly thinking, you have seen
a lot and you think more than the others..then don't tell me it has never occured to you that more often than not, forumites post things in a casual joking manner? "Go SLAP him lah..KICK him lah.." are just replies to a post. You think one will really do that?
Yup... In fact I've also considered that.... Sheesh... 2 points I wanna make here....
1. This is 'AA'... People asking for opinions, advices and help... When you 'joke', you should know your limits....
2. AND.... I hate to say this... But PLS... X 10 Do NOT bored me with your immaturity ESPECIALLY in the way you try to DIG FAULTS where they don't exist.... Ok... FINE... Even if I ASSUME (to your benefit) that they could be JUST JOKING.... (If you have no problem swallowing it...) Then I bet you should have NO PROBLEM with me telling you that whatever I've told you were all JUST JOKES....? And certainly I can't bet you IF you finally decided to tell me that you were 'JUST JOKING' all along.... Which would brings me to another TWO points....
1. Since we're all 'just joking'. Like I've suggested earlier, let's stop wasting everybody's time....
2. If you're someone who only likes to 'jokes around'. I don't find a need to even start a discussion with you...? Since whatever you said probably won't count...? Hmm... Kinda reminds me of those type of people who would just 'turn the table' when they lose a game? Hope you're not those type of people...?
Or simply, you just aren't who you seem to suggest?
Dunno what you talking about? Am I very 'suggestive'?
Ah ma's example was apt in the singaporean context, unlike a "bashing up the gf wallet snatcher based on emotions" example which has no hint of reality in it at all.
Pardon me if I'm not such a good story-teller...? Like I've mentioned earlier.... I really don't have much time for these kinda stuffs or rather LAZY for them too... If there're more people like you around does that mean that I would have to start writing 'nice stories' for them too...? I don't earn a living on that you know?
Lastly, let me bring you back to the point where you asked me not to jump into conclusions..that because i do not know the story behind doesn't mean there isn't, which i'm sure i didn't. On the other hand, how many fatal assumptions have you made to suggest that there is a story behind?
Ok... You didn't jump to conclusion... You just ASSUME that people's initial response has to be 'anger'? No? Or are you SURE that it HAS TO BE the CONCLUSION?
AND... Talking about the 'assumptions'.... They're actually all quite the same thing yup...? Dunno why you must quote them so many times? Maybe you like them ALOT? Or maybe it's simply because you've not much to 'DIG' anymore...? By the way, I don't see them as being so 'fatal'...? Please don't use such 'horrifying' words on me... You'll scare the wits out of me ya know...? -
Nothing much lah... Err... Got people want me to play with him / her, but I told him / her I don't like that brand of toy.... But 'die die' want me to play.... Even started a Topic to invite me...?Originally posted by FireIce:s
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so boring......no wonder i no do follow up.....
though i have some comments to make, but AA not my di pan....so i think it would not make any difference.....gao ci le! -
Comments?Originally posted by FireIce:
so boring......no wonder i no do follow up.....
though i have some comments to make, but AA not my di pan....so i think it would not make any difference.....gao ci le! ho hui you qi? ~Flies off~ -
Hope i have made it simple enough for you to understand.Originally posted by Devil1976: This is not an assumption... This is a FACT. Read AGAIN CAREFULLY.... "There [b]MIGHT be a story...." Just in case you don't know what it means... It simply there can be a story... There can be not?
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Read those 2 lines again..and tell me its a fact rather than a assumption AGAIN.Originally posted by Devil1976:
Hmm.... You DOESN'T know don't mean that there isn't a story behind it...? And in such cases as what Ric has mentioned, there USUALLY are...
And why leave out the parts where i quoted you making assumptions?
Shy about quoting yourself? i can help..
[quote]Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:Originally posted by Devil1976:Hmm.... You DOESN'T know don't mean that there isn't a story behind it...? And in such cases as what Ric has mentioned, there USUALLY are... Now... I'm not in the position to judge whether the 'story' behind was enough for the bf to yell at the girl in public, SIMPLY because I DON'T KNOW the story...?
The 'logic' here is to have your emotions IN CHECK...? Like you've mentioned, you don't know the character of those 2 people... WHY the 'anger'? Don't know the 'behind story'...? WHY the 'BLAME'?
"And in such cases as what Ric has mentioned, there USUALLY are..."
1st assumption: There might be a story
"Now... I'm not in the position to judge whether the 'story' behind was enough for the bf to yell at the girl in public"
2nd assumption: There IS a story
"SIMPLY because I DON'T KNOW the story...?"
3rd assumption: There IS a story, but you don't know the story
"Don't know the 'behind story'...? WHY the 'BLAME'?"
4th aussmption: There IS a story, but you don't know the story (yet again)
You tell me again, you just said there MIGHT be a story and didn't go on to say there IS a story?
(and you don't know the story..you don't know if the story was enough for the guy to shout at the girl?) -
Well if you have to SWALLOW your own assumption, its goes to show how sure you were at the time of putting down that statement (or should i say assumption?)Originally posted by Devil1976:And given the ASSUMPTION I was making, I personally don't find it hard to swallow at all? In a normal Newtonian world, CAUSE & EFFECTs are at play... It would seems VERY UNLIKELY that a bf would just yell at a gf in public FOR NOTHING. Hence, my ASSUMPTION in other words would be it's ALMOST USUALLY.... Not 100% but of HIGH LIKELIHOOD.....
The 2nd part..i'm tired of highlighting it in red
This has got to be 1 of the most terrible part.Originally posted by Devil1976:I didn't say you're wrong...? In FACT I said it's NORMAL for an INITIAL GENERAL response.... Please get your facts right BEFORE you wanna start an arguement with someone...? Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:the general initial response has to be anger isn't it.
You said its not necessary for the general initial response to be anger and now you are telling me to get my facts right?Originally posted by Devil1976:Not neccesarily?
I have said it time and again and i will make it simple here (lest you don't understand again).Originally posted by Devil1976:This is a 'forced situation' created by you to DECEIVE yourself? So as to make people 'agree' with you? In my eyes it's kinda PATHETIC... And let me tell you why....
If you want me NOT to make any assumption that there might be a story behind it, then you would 1st have to ASSUME that there isn't a story behind it... Isn't that an ASSUMPTION on your part? Then how can there be 'no assumptions'? If you want me NOT to make an assumption that there's a story behind, then similarly I would have the rights to ask you NOT to assume that there's NO story behind it? Well.. That would AT LEAST put us on EQUAL grounds now... Won't it? That would simply means that there's also a CHANCE that onlookers MIGHT think otherwise...? UNLESS of course you PRESUME that they also all run on the same softwares and similar version of it...? THAT might give you an ULTIMATE SIMILAR response you so much wants me to agree with? Oh yeah... That is also ASSUMING that the systems running the programs don't develop any fault or bugs... And ALSO ASSUMING that the systems won't burn out or anything which would cause the hardware to degrade giving you further responses that would varies from one another...? Hmm.... Maybe that won't be so hard to swallow for you? Make PERFECT SENSE to you yeah?
By asking you not to make any assumptions that there is a story, i DO NOT have to assume that there isn't. In fact, would you kindly point out any part of my replies where i assume there isn't a story? Or was it just another assumption on your part that you think i'm making such a assumption? Neutral stand for me. Story or not, i don't know. On witnessing such a scene, its anger for me. -
Point 1)Originally posted by Devil1976:Yup... In fact I've also considered that.... Sheesh... 2 points I wanna make here....
1. This is 'AA'... People asking for opinions, advices and help... When you 'joke', you should know your limits....
2. AND.... I hate to say this... But PLS... X 10 Do NOT bored me with your immaturity ESPECIALLY in the way you try to DIG FAULTS where they don't exist.... Ok... FINE... Even if I ASSUME (to your benefit) that they could be JUST JOKING.... (If you have no problem swallowing it...) Then I bet you should have NO PROBLEM with me telling you that whatever I've told you were all JUST JOKES....? And certainly I can't bet you IF you finally decided to tell me that you were 'JUST JOKING' all along.... Which would brings me to another TWO points....
i'm sure most people are fine with the replies (of kick him, slap him etc). Well, in the case the mod here forbids that, then people..you guys heard him.
Point 2)
CONTROL YOUR EMOTIONS. That's what you were preaching all along yah? But i see someone losing control of his emotions. I point out things which i disagree because they are obvious (to me) and simply, again because i disagree. And of cos, you can tell me what you were saying all along are just jokes (well you said that yourself). But in this case, please don't label yourself as a "table turner".
Point 1)Originally posted by Devil1976:1. Since we're all 'just joking'. Like I've suggested earlier, let's stop wasting everybody's time....
2. If you're someone who only likes to 'jokes around'. I don't find a need to even start a discussion with you...? Since whatever you said probably won't count...? Hmm... Kinda reminds me of those type of people who would just 'turn the table' when they lose a game? Hope you're not those type of people...?
You suggesting you are joking again? goodness..
Point 2)
Ermm..I didn't say anything. You did.
Hmm..seems that you are suggesting more and more things.Originally posted by Devil1976: Dunno what you talking about? Am I very 'suggestive'?
Well, its fine. You will probably go out of business anyway. Need not be nice stories. REALISTIC ones will do. There's a big difference.Originally posted by Devil1976:Pardon me if I'm not such a good story-teller...? Like I've mentioned earlier.... I really don't have much time for these kinda stuffs or rather LAZY for them too... If there're more people like you around does that mean that I would have to start writing 'nice stories' for them too...? I don't earn a living on that you know?
Yup..glad you realised i was pointing out the same thing. Wasn't that difficult yah?Originally posted by Devil1976:Ok... You didn't jump to conclusion... You just ASSUME that people's initial response has to be 'anger'? No? Or are you SURE that it HAS TO BE the CONCLUSION?
AND... Talking about the 'assumptions'.... They're actually all quite the same thing yup...? Dunno why you must quote them so many times? Maybe you like them ALOT? Or maybe it's simply because you've not much to 'DIG' anymore...? By the way, I don't see them as being so 'fatal'...? Please don't use such 'horrifying' words on me... You'll scare the wits out of me ya know...?
Just to let you know how you went deeper and deeper with each (similar)assumption and just when i thought you understood, your reply proved otherwise. -
hey, peace.
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Peace or no peace, I only know that I'm LAZY... But my friend here started a topic for me and suggested that I shouldn't close it?Originally posted by sgboy2004:hey, peace. -
To ~AiTaiYuan~:
From this point on... I've decided not to reply your post. You can say whatever you want because it really doesn't matter to me anyway.... Like I've said, your arguements really don't interest me... And as this gets even more lengthy... I feel I'm only getting more and more silly remarks than meaningful debates that's enough to keep this discussion alive in a constructive manner...
Whatever you think of my decline to entertain you... Pls let me know when you finally clear your thoughts and impulses so that I can close this thread...
However... If you feel that you do very much would like to keep this thread alive even if it means doing it mainly by yourself... Pls just carry on with it and I shall not interfere.... PROVIDED that you're not disturbing this forum in any way.... If you DO, I would just CLOSE this thread... In REGARDLESS of however way you wanna see the reason(s) of me doing so as....
Regards.
PS. Hope you'll enjoy your stay in AA, and have a nice day?
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wow quite personal liao...keep this thread going lay...Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:Oh yeah..what a nice and convenient way to end the discussion.
Look, i've only replied to your posts and i never made reference to any of the guys views when replying to yours.
WHY? Because i don't want to complicate stuffs like you've said. Purely a discussion between you and me..and coincidentally, when you wanted to reply to a post that doesn't interest you, your net connection failed you..your comp went a little crazy...
And i see that my replies are still very much in line with the discussion purpose of this thread (especially with regards to your views).
Oh yah, why not close this as well..it won't take you more than a click to do so.
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bravo !!!!Originally posted by Devil1976:To ~AiTaiYuan~:
From this point on... I've decided not to reply your post. You can say whatever you want because it really doesn't matter to me anyway.... Like I've said, your arguements really don't interest me... And as this gets even more lengthy... I feel I'm only getting more and more silly remarks than meaningful debates that's enough to keep this discussion alive in a constructive manner...
Whatever you think of my decline to entertain you... Pls let me know when you finally clear your thoughts and impulses so that I can close this thread...
However... If you feel that you do very much would like to keep this thread alive even if it means doing it mainly by yourself... Pls just carry on with it and I shall not interfere.... PROVIDED that you're not disturbing this forum in any way.... If you DO, I would just CLOSE this thread... In REGARDLESS of however way you wanna see the reason(s) of me doing so as....
Regards.
PS. Hope you'll enjoy your stay in AA, and have a nice day?
tho i dun know what all this is all about, i feel tat was a great way of ending the "saga". Well said! ~applause~ -
Originally posted by FireIce:s
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