How can i convince him?
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wat is dSLR???
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I don't see what the problem is, biz. If it's your money, he's got no say, so why bother agruing? If it's his money, it's his say, so why bother arguing?
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u see, i dont want to buy it and then it becomes a source of trouble for me. it's a matter of buying it with whose money, but i do hope in the process, at least no one gets angry. that's what i am trying to advocate. i feel that i just wanna show him some respect that's all. i also dunno whether have i done it at all. because whenever i go out, i have to tell him where i am going, with whom, what time to waht time etc. and most of the time he approves.Originally posted by Gedanken:I don't see what the problem is, biz. If it's your money, he's got no say, so why bother agruing? If it's his money, it's his say, so why bother arguing?
back to the subject, i just want him to be sort of keep a neutral stance to my plan or wahtever u call it. dont wanna it to be a source of fights from him -
Since you said you asked his opinion out of showing respect, and he adviced you not to. So then, maybe you should listen to him?
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what i meant is i told him like out of respect. i didnt seek his opinion because i know waht i want to buy.Originally posted by littlebeaker:Since you said you asked his opinion out of showing respect, and he adviced you not to. So then, maybe you should listen to him? -
By the way, I like the picture of the ants
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OK, biz, I see where you're coming from now. Is he conscious of the fact that you are informing him of your choice as a courtesy, rather than looking for his approval? Perhaps he has not understood the situation clearly. I'm assuming you have told him that in so many words, but parents seem to mastered the art of selective hearing.
Trying not to go too far off topic here, but is it a case of both of you not really hearing what the other is saying? Ten grand is a substantial amount of money to spend, and even Bear, who works full time, has put a lot of thought into it before investing less than one-fifth that amount. Hell, I've got a friend who makes a couple of hundred thousand a year, and when I told him about the 717 (which Bear bought), even he blanched at the price tag.
I understand your enthusiasm, but as a father, I can see why your dad would bring up reservations or objections about your choice. Maybe trying to take his perspective will help you discuss the topic in a manner that is meaningful to him. -
OK, biz, I see where you're coming from now. Is he conscious of the fact that you are informing him of your choice as a courtesy, rather than looking for his approval? Perhaps he has not understood the situation clearly. I'm assuming you have told him that in so many words, but parents seem to mastered the art of selective hearing.
~ haha. selective hearing, it happens to everyone. anyway whether he is conscious or not, i can only speculate. i believe he knows i am only telling him and not asking for approval nor funding. why? from sec sch or so, he has developed a concept in me. U want , u save for it and tell me(b4 hand). it's almost standard protocol for me to pay for whatever i want. movies,filters,etc. it has become a time where if he pays for something, i get super uneasy. i just want him to be at least not disapproving of my purchase.
Trying not to go too far off topic here, but is it a case of both of you not really hearing what the other is saying? Ten grand is a substantial amount of money to spend, and even Bear, who works full time, has put a lot of thought into it before investing less than one-fifth that amount. Hell, I've got a friend who makes a couple of hundred thousand a year, and when I told him about the 717 (which Bear bought), even he blanched at the price tag.
~for the 10k, i mean, the cam costs 2100. it does not cost 10k, no cam costs 10k. i very well know my current finacial status, or rather the lack of it. so my game plan is buy the cam and master it for a few years before getting more lenses/filters whatever, whilst saving up and carefully deciding which to get. i clearly know the value or something of money, anyway i am not going to elaborate my budget for the year here.
for the blanching of prices, i hope this isnt going to anger everyone,it depends on who u look at. while i am preparing to spend 2100 on a cam, i am unwilling to spend 10dollars on a cup of coke even i can drown myself in that amt of coke with 2100. ok maybe this isnt a good example but...
I understand your enthusiasm, but as a father, I can see why your dad would bring up reservations or objections about your choice. Maybe trying to take his perspective will help you discuss the topic in a manner that is meaningful to him.
~ he does own an SLR, just a manual film version of the one i am buying. it's also a system of lense if u like. just a technological difference.
there is 1 deadlock we have encountered. maybe u can suggest to me how i can break it and frm here maybe i can get some ideas on who to discuss to him nicely.
the picture quality of an DSLR is way better than my current cam and a number of cams in the market. he says i can use software to get the effects i want. i feel if everything use photoshop to get the effects, then there is only a need for 1 cam brand and model. what effects u want, use PS lah.
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So lemme make sure I get this straight - your dad's a photography enthusiast as well, but he prefers 35mm to digital? Also, he's got a 35mm SLR with a series of lenses?
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to me he USED to. just kidding.Originally posted by Gedanken:So lemme make sure I get this straight - your dad's a photography enthusiast as well, but he prefers 35mm to digital? Also, he's got a 35mm SLR with a series of lenses?
he got infected ard the same age as me. genetics...
at his time, i believe it's the age of manual film cams or the birth of more automatic film SLRs. not compact film cams though.
he has a small range of lenses. 3 of them
and a couple of filters.
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out-of-cam dslr images require more PS than prosumer cams..
yes, you have your hotshoe for external flashes, low noise at high iso, considerably shorter shutter lag and so on..
but what if after getting your D70, you realised that you are constantly getting underexposed pics, saturation is also under and you need PS to correct the pics? Are you going to sell the D70 and look for another cam?
worse still, you find that the kit lens or other consumer lens that you can afford doesn't perform up to your expectations. Are you going to spend a few more thousand to get the DX or VR lenses?
maybe you want to consider a slr? after all the dynamic range is much better and the whites dun get blown out so easily =P -
i based my decision to get d70 on the views and reviews on clubsnap and find it's a good budget cam. of course if i want a everything also good cam i might as well get a D2h or EOS1d mark II fitted with L lens from 10.5 to 1200mm ? just kidding.Originally posted by ~AiTaiYuan~:out-of-cam dslr images require more PS than prosumer cams..
yes, you have your hotshoe for external flashes, low noise at high iso, considerably shorter shutter lag and so on..
but what if after getting your D70, you realised that you are constantly getting underexposed pics, saturation is also under and you need PS to correct the pics? Are you going to sell the D70 and look for another cam?
worse still, you find that the kit lens or other consumer lens that you can afford doesn't perform up to your expectations. Are you going to spend a few more thousand to get the DX or VR lenses?
maybe you want to consider a slr? after all the dynamic range is much better and the whites dun get blown out so easily =P
for a film SLR, i prefer a digital version. nothing aganist film SLR but.... -
try asking someone in CS to post some D70 + kit lens (or other dslr + consumer lens) without PS..out-of-cam pics resized to 600x400 and nothing else. Maybe you will reconsider your choice.Originally posted by bismarck:i based my decision to get d70 on the views and reviews on clubsnap and find it's a good budget cam. of course if i want a everything also good cam i might as well get a D2h or EOS1d mark II fitted with L lens from 10.5 to 1200mm ? just kidding.
for a film SLR, i prefer a digital version. nothing aganist film SLR but....