Suicide
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suicide is cool
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suicide is only illegal because it robs a society of someone useful.
but sometimes society needs evaluation.
in fact people who prevent suicide only do it because they need that person alive in order to screw him over.
in fact, it was the slave drivers who said suicide is bad,
because dead slaves can do nothing.
of course, commiting suicide because of dumb ass issues like
"she dumped me"
is not exactly smart either.
but if someone commits suicide,
do not condemn him.
ask yourself.
could you prevented it by making him feel like a human being.
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Yup... EASIER WAY but NEVER a SOLUTION... It's just like you've been PLAQUED by a DISEASE...Originally posted by Axelheat755:Not No solution , just that suicide is the easier way out.
THINK about it... If it really CAN be a GOOD CHOICE, SHOULDN'T you have been DEAD LONG AGO...?
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Too bad, not too many of those 'cool' people gets to LIVE to tell their story..?Originally posted by the.raven:suicide is cool
Besides... There're always MUCH BETTER THINGS to DO in life...? -
Originally posted by apollo861:
Don't be such a SADIST... IF that's really the case, then the law should apply to USEFUL people only..?
suicide is only illegal because it robs a society of someone useful.
but sometimes society needs evaluation.
in fact people who prevent suicide only do it because they need that person alive in order to screw him over.
in fact, it was the slave drivers who said suicide is bad,
because dead slaves can do nothing.
of course, commiting suicide because of dumb ass issues like
"she dumped me"
is not exactly smart either.
but if someone commits suicide,
do not condemn him.
ask yourself.
[b]could you prevented it by making him feel like a human being.
instead of someone you exploit??[/b]
Being screwed... Being miserable or not, you often have a CHOICE... IF you THINK you really DON'T..?? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...
IF people around you can BE HAPPY, you DESERVES to be HAPPY TOO... You're a HUMAN, SO ARE THEY... They don't have EXTRA WINGS or anything like that... Even HANDICAPPED can be REAL HAPPY people... SO WHY NOT YOU
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omfg and ninconpoop! Ya lor! Dunno y da 6 times detergent drinking nvr killed mi! Prolly cos of tt, mi discovered i've supernatural power: Iron stomach! Hehe!Originally posted by Devil1976:Yup... EASIER WAY but NEVER a SOLUTION... It's just like you've been PLAQUED by a DISEASE...
THINK about it... If it really CAN be a GOOD CHOICE, SHOULDN'T you have been DEAD LONG AGO...? 
Oh... prolly e answer y ppl suicide is in my signature as well:
"Death is a long sleep, sleep is a short death.
Sleep eases pain, while death removes it." -
Death is a short sleepOriginally posted by egotist:omfg and ninconpoop! Ya lor! Dunno y da 6 times detergent drinking nvr killed mi! Prolly cos of tt, mi discovered i've supernatural power: Iron stomach! Hehe!
Oh... prolly e answer y ppl suicide is in my signature as well:
"Death is a long sleep, sleep is a short death.
Sleep eases pain, while death removes it."
Sleep is a long death
Sleep eases pain
Death removes it
Obviously you're not thinking in your right frame of mind? Your signature's got typo error... Why don't you go change it...
You've forgotten to add that death don't only removes 'pain'... It removes EVERYTHING...
You think life has got no more chance...? Well.. You'll be RIGHT BY ENDING IT... Not that life don't give you a chance... Not that the people around you don't... You already CHOOSE to DEPRIVE yourself of it...
Simple hypothesis. If anyone can be ALIVE and telling another that SUICIDE and DEATH is a GOOD thing... The person should have BEEN DEAD... -
Hmmm... Let's juz say tt ppl who says suicide is good only failed to do so b'cos:Originally posted by Devil1976:Death is a short sleep
Sleep is a long death
Sleep eases pain
Death removes it
Obviously you're not thinking in your right frame of mind? Your signature's got typo error... Why don't you go change it...
You've forgotten to add that death don't only removes 'pain'... It removes EVERYTHING...
You think life has got no more chance...? Well.. You'll be RIGHT BY ENDING IT... Not that life don't give you a chance... Not that the people around you don't... You already CHOOSE to DEPRIVE yourself of it...
Simple hypothesis. If anyone can be ALIVE and telling another that SUICIDE and DEATH is a GOOD thing... The person should have BEEN DEAD...
1. They lacked e gut. Try going onto any search engines and start looking for suicide methods. A number displayed e look of those who had suicided. It's already a major turnoff. Once, i saw a pic of a dead man who suicided by lying on a bench and started e bench saw. The man was cut into half wif his entrils dangling out. His lower half of e body laid on e floor.
2. There are still things he/she is very persistence abt. Some could b parents and friends. Others could be wealth. Wadever. Tt's where suicide negiotiator work on.
3. Well... They've been literally locked up, so they can't even open e window, take a blade, or dash into a wall!
Btw, sometimes it's sad but i muz agree that suicide sometimes change things though. It's strange for humans tt they only treasure things/ppl only after they are gone. And tt is sometimes e price tt have to b paid... a heavy price.
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ummzz.. in order not to look discriminating, the government would say that all who commit suicide are wrong.
Don't be such a SADIST... IF that's really the case, then the law should apply to USEFUL people only..?
Being screwed... Being miserable or not, you often have a CHOICE... IF you THINK you really DON'T..?? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT...
IF people around you can BE HAPPY, you DESERVES to be HAPPY TOO... You're a HUMAN, SO ARE THEY... They don't have EXTRA WINGS or anything like that... Even HANDICAPPED can be REAL HAPPY people... SO WHY NOT YOU
some people go through suffering because of others. the only other option other then suicide would be to become evil. they have no choice. if they try to be good others walk over them, praise them for being good, but still make use of them. humans are inherently evil. always will be.
if others are happy, and i deserve to be happy, why do they enjoy making me unhappy? the problem with this society is that one man's happiness is only gained by the anguish of another.
it has nothing to do with handicaps or whatever. it has nothing to do with advantage.
have you ever been a slave under a despot for all your life? the only way to escape such a terrible life would be death. of yourself or your master. the good will commit suicide, the bad will commit murder, no matter how evil the master was in the first place.
this society must suffer because it breeds cruelty. in order to be happy, others must be unhappy. its a flaw in our social structure. tough.
if you had not treated others badly would they commit suicide?
unless you want them to revolt and screw you too?
and then you will be unhappy.It's strange for humans tt they only treasure things/ppl only after they are gone. And tt is sometimes e price tt have to b paid... a heavy price.
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some people go through suffering because of others. the only other option other then suicide would be to become evil. they have no choice. if they try to be good others walk over them, praise them for being good, but still make use of them. humans are inherently evil. always will be.
Hmm... I've considered switching to evil mood a million and one times, but eventually couldn't bare to hurt the innocents since i've been an innocent 1 myself. Isolation is an alternative... a harsh alternative. I guess tt pretty much in the case of the poster of this thread:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=86304have you ever been a slave under a despot for all your life? the only way to escape such a terrible life would be death. of yourself or your master. the good will commit suicide, the bad will commit murder, no matter how evil the master was in the first place.
OMFG! it sounds so badly an exaggeration like anyone evil are killing rite now, and anyone good are long dead (cos they suicided). So what does tt leaves for those who are alive?this society must suffer because it breeds cruelty. in order to be happy, others must be unhappy. its a flaw in our social structure. tough.
Sad thingy abt how societies thrive is via meritocracy. ppl stay afloat in e society by besting each other. It's no exageration that in sg, kids might possibly lose their childhood at the age of 3. Everyone will be born to learn and learn and learn and learn and learn and x 1000 or infinite. With knowledge, one can earn a place and big bucks in the society. With money, one can enjoy comfort & extravagrants. Thus, ppl's are driven by their materialistic nature. Many ppl had complained abt the problematic education system, but nothing can be done abt that. Singapore... has nothing but human resources. If the human resources sux compared to e rest of the world, we all starving on a bare island.precisely.
But so many ppl has suicided, so little was achieved. Here's the chrous of a "satanic" song by Marriyln Mandison (and i dun like her... at all! period.) called "suicide is painless":
"Suicide is painless.
It brings on many changes.
And i can take or leave it, if i please." -
YEAH... And you know why do so many people listen to these and commit suicides..? That's because they can only PREY on the WEAK....Originally posted by egotist:But so many ppl has suicided, so little was achieved. Here's the chrous of a "satanic" song by Marriyln Mandison (and i dun like her... at all! period.) called "suicide is painless":
"Suicide is painless.
It brings on many changes.
And i can take or leave it, if i please."
If SUICIDE is REALLY PAINLESS.. You won't be ALIVE to tell it...
THINK ABOUT IT....
And be RESPONSIBLE for what you SAY...
If you've ANY GROUNDS for what you say at all.. And not just blindly seizing EXAMPLES from whose who have FAILED in their life... Is it a SUCCESS? You wanna look UPON them as YOUR MODEL?
Well... You SHOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW... ENJOY your 'SUCCESS' and STOP giving SH|TS here... People would be CHEERING for your 'SUCCESS'.. YEAH? -
PERFECTIONIST'S IDEA. Don't be SO NARROW in your THINKING. It'll only SUFFOCATES you. Don't worry. I USED to think the SAME.Originally posted by apollo861:ummzz.. in order not to look discriminating, the government would say that all who commit suicide are wrong.
some people go through suffering because of others. the only other option other then suicide would be to become evil. they have no choice. if they try to be good others walk over them, praise them for being good, but still make use of them. humans are inherently evil. always will be.
if others are happy, and i deserve to be happy, why do they enjoy making me unhappy? the problem with this society is that one man's happiness is only gained by the anguish of another.
it has nothing to do with handicaps or whatever. it has nothing to do with advantage.
have you ever been a slave under a despot for all your life? the only way to escape such a terrible life would be death. of yourself or your master. the good will commit suicide, the bad will commit murder, no matter how evil the master was in the first place.
this society must suffer because it breeds cruelty. in order to be happy, others must be unhappy. its a flaw in our social structure. tough.
if you had not treated others badly would they commit suicide?
unless you want them to revolt and screw you too?
and then you will be unhappy.It's strange for humans tt they only treasure things/ppl only after they are gone. And tt is sometimes e price tt have to b paid... a heavy price.
precisely.
HAPPINESS and UNHAPPINESS. Neither happens ALL THE TIME at ALL THE MOMENTS. It's a BALANCE. NOTHING is CONSTANT. If you feel or find that it's happening that way... You're NOT seeing from a different perception but ONLY because you're RESTRICTED by YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW... Not REALITY's FAULT... -
1. Whatever it may be. They lack of guts or they sensible enough, it's a GOOD thing that they're ALIVE. Though there're people commiting suicides... Who in their NORMAL RIGHT FRAME of mind would wanna do that?Originally posted by egotist:Hmmm... Let's juz say tt ppl who says suicide is good only failed to do so b'cos:
1. They lacked e gut. Try going onto any search engines and start looking for suicide methods. A number displayed e look of those who had suicided. It's already a major turnoff. Once, i saw a pic of a dead man who suicided by lying on a bench and started e bench saw. The man was cut into half wif his entrils dangling out. His lower half of e body laid on e floor.
2. There are still things he/she is very persistence abt. Some could b parents and friends. Others could be wealth. Wadever. Tt's where suicide negiotiator work on.
3. Well... They've been literally locked up, so they can't even open e window, take a blade, or dash into a wall!
Btw, sometimes it's sad but i muz agree that suicide sometimes change things though. It's strange for humans tt they only treasure things/ppl only after they are gone. And tt is sometimes e price tt have to b paid... a heavy price.
You seen HAPPY people commit suicide Not unless they're strongly influenced by DRUGS, charismatic characters and things like that?
2. That's TRUE. However, that would also means that there are GOOD REASONS for the person to be alive. Just that he / she is not thinking in the right frame of mind to realise that.
3. That's usually when they're mentally too ill. Try having a patient running a 40 degrees and blurrish walking on the streets and watch what would happen to him / her?
Yes. Suicide might changes some things. It's all but a matter of 'cause and effect'. Something happens, others follow. But it still doesn't imply that suicide is the only solution or the best suicide? -
YEAH... And you know why do so many people listen to these and commit suicides..? That's because they can only PREY on the WEAK....
Woah! tt sounds very forceful of a reply for something tt was badly interpreted frm my previous post. i meant to say tt even though suicide makes changes, but most of the time the changes are small on the society tt it's nt even worth doing so.
If SUICIDE is REALLY PAINLESS.. You won't be ALIVE to tell it...
THINK ABOUT IT....
And be RESPONSIBLE for what you SAY...
If you've ANY GROUNDS for what you say at all.. And not just blindly seizing EXAMPLES from whose who have FAILED in their life... Is it a SUCCESS? You wanna look UPON them as YOUR MODEL?
Well... You SHOULD BE DEAD RIGHT NOW... ENJOY your 'SUCCESS' and STOP giving SH|TS here... People would be CHEERING for your 'SUCCESS'.. YEAH?
and i wonder if u even notice tt i dun even like marriyln mandison? Juz noted tt song down as an interesting note.
Something quite contrary to e last line frm my own life though... "Ppl would be cheering for yr success". Nt intending to elaborate on my private life in a public forum... Anyway, next!PERFECTIONIST'S IDEA. Don't be SO NARROW in your THINKING. It'll only SUFFOCATES you. Don't worry. I USED to think the SAME.
Unless u really perfected zen mastery, else it's impossible tt ppl will stay in control of their mind all the time. it's easy to tok philosophy. But bare in mind that since all humans are characteristically different. Some ppl are able to withstand more hardships, while others will literally fall into a swoon when an impact comes. This, will going into the talks abt EQ, aka Emotional Quotient. For now, i can't say tt u are not understanding to the ordeal of these ppl. Rather, i would say tt u haven't met a blow in yr life great enuff to cause to to have a flicking thot of suicide. And of cos, u prolly have high EQ as well.
HAPPINESS and UNHAPPINESS. Neither happens ALL THE TIME at ALL THE MOMENTS. It's a BALANCE. NOTHING is CONSTANT. If you feel or find that it's happening that way... You're NOT seeing from a different perception but ONLY because you're RESTRICTED by YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW... Not REALITY's FAULT...1. Whatever it may be. They lack of guts or they sensible enough, it's a GOOD thing that they're ALIVE. Though there're people commiting suicides... Who in their NORMAL RIGHT FRAME of mind would wanna do that?
Yup! Suicide is nt a solution. Instead, it's an act of permanent escape from the problems. If the person who suicide truly doesn't have a single friends or relatives, prolly no 1 is bearing any burden of his prob after his death. But usually, tt's nt the case.
You seen HAPPY people commit suicide Not unless they're strongly influenced by DRUGS, charismatic characters and things like that?
2. That's TRUE. However, that would also means that there are GOOD REASONS for the person to be alive. Just that he / she is not thinking in the right frame of mind to realise that.
3. That's usually when they're mentally too ill. Try having a patient running a 40 degrees and blurrish walking on the streets and watch what would happen to him / her?
Yes. Suicide might changes some things. It's all but a matter of 'cause and effect'. Something happens, others follow. But it still doesn't imply that suicide is the only solution or the best suicide?
For those who's still tinking of suiciding at this pt of time and is reading this thread, it's obviously tt they are giving their life another chance and looking for reasons in here to stay alive. Instead of laughing at the trivalness of his/her problems tt cause him/her to want to suicide, we shld be welcoming him/her wif open arms and listen to his/her prob. I'm nt suggesting tt i'm a professional counsellor, or is any1 here, but at least since the age gap doesn't diff too much, the advices here are more or less relevant.
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i was not too willing to talk, but, thinking about it, if i can help others, why not.
Back in 2000, I was 17. Was in SAJC the 1st 3 months, found the environment to my liking there. After the 1st 3 months, was forced by parents to leave SAJC for NJC. Found the NJC environment very stale and too much emphasis placed on mugging and not to my liking. I had problems adjusting too.
Back then, I was more shy, and was not used to reaching out to make friends just like that. In addition, cliques formed during the 1st 3 months in NJC further intimidated me from getting to know more people there. As a result, i ended up not having many friends and raging against my parents for pulling me out from an environment i was comfy in and into one which i disliked. And as I found it hard to make friends, I increasingly hated the school more, and that hindered my ability to make friends even more, and started affecting my sch work. I started skipping classes, then school, then it became a habit, so much so that I would arrive in sch at 8am for attendance, then leave sch at 8.30am, arrive at Orchard Rd at 9, where i spent most of my day, hanging out, sometimes alone, sometimes with outside friends. I started caring lesser and lesser for my sch work.
As a result, the few days which I did spend in sch, only increasingly frustrated me, and tests and exams really got me in a bad mood. outside, i looked like i didn't care at all, but inside, the image of seemingly being crappy in my studies was very much causing me grief. Yet, by then, i simply could not study anymore, because I was in a blind rage.
I started to get very very depressed, having already been depressed due to the issue of being unable to accept then environment, and being unable to make any friends. I kept wondering why things were the way they were, why didn't my parents listen when i insisted that NJC was unsuitable for me, and what did I do to deserve such unglorious treatment. I wondered why I was even alive at all, and started to wonder about suicide. On a few occasions, I nearly threw myself off buildings, and I had always thought about committing suicide in sch, to show how very upset and how much i hated the school. I thought maybe if I had died in the school, that they would finally realise something was wrong, and they would be guilty and regret having not paid more attention to my situation, esp my classmates.
My Civics Tutor DID notice that I was in depression, and sent me to the sch counseller. But such councellers are easy to fake, as long as u can maintain a positive face in the room, and say nice things for them to hear, to get it over and done with. The main reason I agreed to go, was to let my parents and classmates understand how seriously depressed I was, to need counselling. I even ended up with the priviliege of being able to walk into the principal's office w/o appointment, impromtu, just to look her up for chats. And I did get kicks picking on teachers, and breaking many rules, with no fear of punishment as the sch was afraid that it would worsen my hatred of the sch. As a result, I was able to break many minor rules and get away with it, such as leaving my shirt tucked out, leaving my hair long, wearing chains on my neck, skipping classes, not handing up homework, etc. In spite of my many transgressions, I was never sent for any detention.
After sometime, while I STILL hated my sch and my surroundings, I realised I didn't want to die. By that time, I had chanced upon a path of life I wanted to take, and I realised I had so much to do, so much unaccomplished, that, however much I hated the sch, dying meant I wouldn't be able to chase my dreams. I wanted to stay alive, to show that I could do what I wanted to do, to show that I wasn't going to make it easy for them to beat me down(at the point i did think everyone wanted me dead, and staying alive was very much a show of defiance), and that everyone who thought me a loser would one day be proved wrong. Today, I am glad I didn't die. -
Thanks for sharing...Originally posted by HENG@:i was not too willing to talk, but, thinking about it, if i can help others, why not.
Back in 2000, I was 17. Was in SAJC the 1st 3 months, found the environment to my liking there. After the 1st 3 months, was forced by parents to leave SAJC for NJC. Found the NJC environment very stale and too much emphasis placed on mugging and not to my liking. I had problems adjusting too.
Back then, I was more shy, and was not used to reaching out to make friends just like that. In addition, cliques formed during the 1st 3 months in NJC further intimidated me from getting to know more people there. As a result, i ended up not having many friends and raging against my parents for pulling me out from an environment i was comfy in and into one which i disliked. And as I found it hard to make friends, I increasingly hated the school more, and that hindered my ability to make friends even more, and started affecting my sch work. I started skipping classes, then school, then it became a habit, so much so that I would arrive in sch at 8am for attendance, then leave sch at 8.30am, arrive at Orchard Rd at 9, where i spent most of my day, hanging out, sometimes alone, sometimes with outside friends. I started caring lesser and lesser for my sch work.
As a result, the few days which I did spend in sch, only increasingly frustrated me, and tests and exams really got me in a bad mood. outside, i looked like i didn't care at all, but inside, the image of seemingly being crappy in my studies was very much causing me grief. Yet, by then, i simply could not study anymore, because I was in a blind rage.
I started to get very very depressed, having already been depressed due to the issue of being unable to accept then environment, and being unable to make any friends. I kept wondering why things were the way they were, why didn't my parents listen when i insisted that NJC was unsuitable for me, and what did I do to deserve such unglorious treatment. I wondered why I was even alive at all, and started to wonder about suicide. On a few occasions, I nearly threw myself off buildings, and I had always thought about committing suicide in sch, to show how very upset and how much i hated the school. I thought maybe if I had died in the school, that they would finally realise something was wrong, and they would be guilty and regret having not paid more attention to my situation, esp my classmates.
My Civics Tutor DID notice that I was in depression, and sent me to the sch counseller. But such councellers are easy to fake, as long as u can maintain a positive face in the room, and say nice things for them to hear, to get it over and done with. The main reason I agreed to go, was to let my parents and classmates understand how seriously depressed I was, to need counselling. I even ended up with the priviliege of being able to walk into the principal's office w/o appointment, impromtu, just to look her up for chats. And I did get kicks picking on teachers, and breaking many rules, with no fear of punishment as the sch was afraid that it would worsen my hatred of the sch. As a result, I was able to break many minor rules and get away with it, such as leaving my shirt tucked out, leaving my hair long, wearing chains on my neck, skipping classes, not handing up homework, etc. In spite of my many transgressions, I was never sent for any detention.
After sometime, while I STILL hated my sch and my surroundings, I realised I didn't want to die. By that time, I had chanced upon a path of life I wanted to take, and I realised I had so much to do, so much unaccomplished, that, however much I hated the sch, dying meant I wouldn't be able to chase my dreams. I wanted to stay alive, to show that I could do what I wanted to do, to show that I wasn't going to make it easy for them to beat me down(at the point i did think everyone wanted me dead, and staying alive was very much a show of defiance), and that everyone who thought me a loser would one day be proved wrong. Today, I am glad I didn't die. -
Originally posted by egotist:
But the 'GAME' ya played.. TOO RISKY. You should know what kinda people READS this kinda forum.
Unless u really perfected zen mastery, else it's impossible tt ppl will stay in control of their mind all the time. it's easy to tok philosophy. But bare in mind that since all humans are characteristically different. Some ppl are able to withstand more hardships, while others will literally fall into a swoon when an impact comes. This, will going into the talks abt EQ, aka Emotional Quotient. For now, i can't say tt u are not understanding to the ordeal of these ppl. Rather, i would say tt u haven't met a blow in yr life great enuff to cause to to have a flicking thot of suicide. And of cos, u prolly have high EQ as well.
Correction. It DOESN'T take people to MASTER ZEN in order to keep themselves ALIVE... You've got MILLIONS of EXAMPLES ALL OVER the WORLD to CHOOSE from... They don't have to MASTER their mind.. Just ENOUGH to keep them ALIVE... As much as I enjoy debates and arguements of the healthy sort... DON'T TWIST words... As they'll only make your POINTS WORTHLESS...
And SUICIDE is NOT exactly the kinda subject you wanna have a DEBATE on... Not for FEAR that I won't be able to CONFIRM people that SUICIDE is a WRONG ACT... YES.. I was FORCEFUL in my PREVIOUS REPLY.. In the SENSE that I FEAR of my OWN TIME LIMITATION. I admit I might not be as FREE as you are, going on MEANINGLESS DEBATES.. On the RISK that you might just be CONVINCING ANOTHER to JUMP OFF THE ROOF... Probably that would makes you much of a HERO? A HAPPIER SOUL perhaps?
So DO NOTE. If my failure's due to my LIMITED TIME ACCESS to this place or the LOAD of WORK which SUFFOCATES me.. And it can LEAD to your 'VICTORY'. (happily convince someone to jump off the top) I CONGRATULATES YOU.
By the way. We're not talking about PHILOSOPHY here. We're talking about METHODOLOGY.
High EQ? Me? I guess that would be hard to convince the people around me...
SUICIDAL THOUGHTS? Hmm... If you think that's the WORST you can experience in life, you're still a FAR CRY from it. That's why I'll never encourage SUICIDE. You let SUICIDE takes you down? You've got a LONG WAY to go on the 'Ladder of Survival'...
Yup! Suicide is nt a solution. Instead, it's an act of permanent escape from the problems. If the person who suicide truly doesn't have a single friends or relatives, prolly no 1 is bearing any burden of his prob after his death. But usually, tt's nt the case.
Or so they BELIEVE?
For those who's still tinking of suiciding at this pt of time and is reading this thread, it's obviously tt they are giving their life another chance and looking for reasons in here to stay alive. Instead of laughing at the trivalness of his/her problems tt cause him/her to want to suicide, we shld be welcoming him/her wif open arms and listen to his/her prob. I'm nt suggesting tt i'm a professional counsellor, or is any1 here, but at least since the age gap doesn't diff too much, the advices here are more or less relevant.
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np.Originally posted by Devil1976:Thanks for sharing...
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Same here. Not really willing to share but it would be good if it could help others.
I have a younger sister. The one and only sibling but she killed herself by jumping off 11th storey on 14/02/98. She thought that it will end her problems and it did. But in returns it brought us many long years of agony and heart-break. Especially for my mum who suffered from Depression for 2 long years. Crying everyday. Imagine the pain? Dun think you'll can understand easily.
*** Note, You dun really Owned your Life. It's co-shared among your Family Members who loves and cares for you in some ways. Dun bring pain and agony to others who Cares for you. Be responsible and seek Professional help. Things might turn out fine eventually. B4 it's too late......................*** -
im sorry to hear that.Originally posted by eric3417:Same here. Not really willing to share but it would be good if it could help others.
I have a younger sister. The one and only sibling but she killed herself by jumping off 11th storey on 14/02/98. She thought that it will end her problems and it did. But in returns it brought us many long years of agony and heart-break. Especially for my mum who suffered from Depression for 2 long years. Crying everyday. Imagine the pain? Dun think you'll can understand easily.
*** Note, You dun really Owned your Life. It's co-shared among your Family Members who loves and cares for you in some ways. Dun bring pain and agony to others who Cares for you. Be responsible and seek Professional help. Things might turn out fine eventually. B4 it's too late......................*** -
Correction. It DOESN'T take people to MASTER ZEN in order to keep themselves ALIVE... You've got MILLIONS of EXAMPLES ALL OVER the WORLD to CHOOSE from... They don't have to MASTER their mind.. Just ENOUGH to keep them ALIVE... As much as I enjoy debates and arguements of the healthy sort... DON'T TWIST words... As they'll only make your POINTS WORTHLESS...
Of cos, nt only zen masters can control themselves. Juz a suggestion. I'm keeping my option free abt this debate, as long as i'm being watchful of wad i say. If i've been anymore insensitive, i've long posted some really cool suicide techniques, proven to b 100% painless. Dun ask mi for an answer rite here. I dun wanna any1 in e wrong frame of mind to try it. Though suicide doesn't seems to be the best way out for any prob, but at least it's a double edge sword, wif pros and cons worth debating abt. My stand currently is nothing more than a devil advocates, else there's no fun in da debate! u dig? If necessary, juz taking it tt i'm airing thoughts for those who has objections abt not suiciding, though in reality, i'm neutral abt it.
And SUICIDE is NOT exactly the kinda subject you wanna have a DEBATE on... Not for FEAR that I won't be able to CONFIRM people that SUICIDE is a WRONG ACT... YES.. I was FORCEFUL in my PREVIOUS REPLY.. In the SENSE that I FEAR of my OWN TIME LIMITATION. I admit I might not be as FREE as you are, going on MEANINGLESS DEBATES.. On the RISK that you might just be CONVINCING ANOTHER to JUMP OFF THE ROOF... Probably that would makes you much of a HERO? A HAPPIER SOUL perhaps?
Btw, i'm seriously nt twisting any words. juz an impression of wad i've understood frm wad u read. word games are my forte, but i reckon seeing perspective frm both polars is more rational in analyzing this problem.
By the way. We're not talking about PHILOSOPHY here. We're talking about METHODOLOGY.
My impression abt u tok philosophy comes frm here:HAPPINESS and UNHAPPINESS. Neither happens ALL THE TIME at ALL THE MOMENTS. It's a BALANCE. NOTHING is CONSTANT. If you feel or find that it's happening that way... You're NOT seeing from a different perception but ONLY because you're RESTRICTED by YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW... Not REALITY's FAULT...
Then given yr view, prolly there's no such thing as unhappiness, since everything is a matter of perceptions? Thru tt perceptions defines and presumes alot of things, but it has its limitation too. Reality has a fault of it's own, in most cases.
I have a younger sister. The one and only sibling but she killed herself by jumping off 11th storey on 14/02/98. She thought that it will end her problems and it did. But in returns it brought us many long years of agony and heart-break. Especially for my mum who suffered from Depression for 2 long years. Crying everyday. Imagine the pain? Dun think you'll can understand easily.
Tt's wad i mean by leaving the burdens for those who are alive to carry. Btw, My deepest sympathy to u, eric3417.
After such a 2 pages long threads, i suddenly have the urge to say something: I wish everyone live well. -
Only the foolish, the weak, and the cowardly commit suicide...
Inability to face what life gives you...
God doesn't give a man, more than what he can bear... -
Up to this point.. I'm glad that you're not all that offensive and destructive. Otherwise it might be soon that I would have to 'abuse' my 'authority'?
Anyway... Just to let you know that I'm not all that keen in holding up this conversation and discussion with you... Not that I'm not interested... But due to my time constraint and the inappropriateness of discussing such a topic here, I really have limited options.. And I'm a MOD. I've got a JOB to do here. Besides... Laying people's lives down the hanging cliff because of my own personal interest ain't exactly my style... If given the TIME and may the discussion be hold somewhere more appropriate, I might just be AS INTERESTED as you are in the discussion...
And though I understand that you would be more tactful in your presentation of words (and I really don't doubt your capability of reaching that at all).. If a 3rd party is to come in and ABUSE the situation, everything could turn PRETTY UGLY
Hope you'll UNDERSTAND...Originally posted by egotist:
Of cos, nt only zen masters can control themselves. Juz a suggestion. I'm keeping my option free abt this debate, as long as i'm being watchful of wad i say. If i've been anymore insensitive, i've long posted some really cool suicide techniques, proven to b 100% painless.
It's not only about pain.. It's about the FUTURE.. Seen any medical treatments before? Some may be PAINFUL or even have LONG LASTING SIDE EFFECTS... But the SURVIVAL OPTION they PROVIDE... Can you UNDERSTAND?
Dun ask mi for an answer rite here. I dun wanna any1 in e wrong frame of mind to try it. Though suicide doesn't seems to be the best way out for any prob, but at least it's a double edge sword, wif pros and cons worth debating abt.
YES. I AGREE with this. One of the MAIN reasons I'm not discussing it here.. The PROs which are worth discussing about are OFTEN NOT applicable to the PROBLEMATIC SUICIDAL CASES we see or hear around us...
My stand currently is nothing more than a devil advocates, else there's no fun in da debate! u dig? If necessary, juz taking it tt i'm airing thoughts for those who has objections abt not suiciding, though in reality, i'm neutral abt it.
Like I've said... Nothing wrong with 'healthy' discussions.. But ANY SLIGHTEST CHANCE of putting people's LIVES on the STAKE? I don't see the POINT
Btw, i'm seriously nt twisting any words. juz an impression of wad i've understood frm wad u read. word games are my forte, but i reckon seeing perspective frm both polars is more rational in analyzing this problem.
Yup.. As much as I would like to continue with this discussion and try to convince you, I don't wanna take ANY CHANCES. GET ME?
My impression abt u tok philosophy comes frm here:
[quote]HAPPINESS and UNHAPPINESS. Neither happens ALL THE TIME at ALL THE MOMENTS. It's a BALANCE. NOTHING is CONSTANT. If you feel or find that it's happening that way... You're NOT seeing from a different perception but ONLY because you're RESTRICTED by YOUR OWN POINT OF VIEW... Not REALITY's FAULT...
Philosophy is only for the LOST. People who NEEDS to be CONVINCED of SURVIVAL. You see people breaching about RELIGIONS on the STREETS... Or asking others to BUY their PRODUCTS... But I don't it's normal that you'll see people pulling a NORMAL stranger on the streets and telling him the reasons why he should just keep himself ALIVE...?
Because a normal RIGHT FRAME person won't be exactly thinking of SUICIDE.
'Philosophy' or REASONS are only for THOSE who NEEDS to be CONVINCED.
And as FAR as we're OUT HERE in this FORUM. I would RATHER be CONCENTRATING on the METHODOLOGY than the PHILOSOPHY (whether we should save them? Whether they should die?) UNDERSTAND that ONCE they're DEAD, they're DEAD... No amount of words would BRING them BACK ALIVE...
'METHODOLOGY' 1st... KEEP THEM ALIVE... Then we shall talk about whether suicide really is a solution for them? Too bad there ain't exactly undeads in this world (at least not like those you've seen in the movies..).. Otherwise IMAGINE them 'WAKING UP' one day just to REALISE that they're ALREADY DEAD... No amount of REGRETS or REFLECTION is gonna be bringing them BACK...
Another reason I refrain from discussing such a thing here.. It can be QUITE MEANINGLESS... Because the situation would VARIES ALOT on a CASE to CASE BASIS...
And like I've said earlier... 'SICK' people might not be in the condition to think... Especially if they're already EMOTIONALLY STIRRED UP and MENTALLY DISTURBED... They'll NEED 'HELP'... NOT more STIR UPs...
Then given yr view, prolly there's no such thing as unhappiness, since everything is a matter of perceptions? Thru tt perceptions defines and presumes alot of things, but it has its limitation too. Reality has a fault of it's own, in most cases.
Yes. Unhappiness is about perceptions.. But that wasn't my point... My point is NOTHING is ALWAYS at a STATIC STATE in this world... Things CHANGES with TIME... You HAPPY, you LAUGH? You NOT happy then you GO JUMP? It's a way of DECEIVING YOURSELF...
IMAGINE yourself reading a BOOK or WATCHING a MOVIE... A couple going through all the SORROWS... If you are to decide to just CLOSE the BOOK and not read it anymore, OR WALK OUT of the CINEMA without seeing the ending of the show.. You'll NEVER KNOW what is it ALL ABOUT? You WON'T know what you could ne MISSING... BESIDES.. I've always BELIEVING in 2 'THEORIES' which happens to have KEEP me MUCH ALIVE TODAY...
1. If you're GOING THROUGH SH|T now. You just ENDS your life. Your life would be NOTHING but SH|T. WHERE's your PAY BACK?? It's like WORKING for a particular JOB... You WORK SO HARD... Before you get your pay, you QUIT? You END UP GIVING ALOT but receiving NOTHING in RETURN...
2. The DEEPER the SH|T you're IN, the HIGHER the CHANCE of life making a TURN BACK... THINK about it... NOTHING would go in ONLY ONE DIRECTION CONSTANTLY... And the DEEPER DOWN you are... Even the SLIGHTEST 'happiness' can seems SO BEAUTIFUL to you... But of course, it's provided that you've finally 'see it through'... Which is kinda HARD to explain here.. You've just got to EXPERIENCE IT for YOURSELF..?
After such a 2 pages long threads, i suddenly have the urge to say something: I wish everyone live well.
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Up to this point.. I'm glad that you're not all that offensive and destructive. Otherwise it might be soon that I would have to 'abuse' my 'authority'?
Uh-oh.It's not only about pain.. It's about the FUTURE.. Seen any medical treatments before? Some may be PAINFUL or even have LONG LASTING SIDE EFFECTS... But the SURVIVAL OPTION they PROVIDE... Can you UNDERSTAND?
It's sometimes really debatable whether providing a survival option is considered humane whether the sufferer is in pain. But i guess the question of "humane-ness" applies only to those wif critical medical problems or some others tt i dun remember at the moment. I assuming ppl commiting suicide cos of emotional problems, in the case of tis thread. It's only now tt i began to realise we were toking on a diff frequency. U were considering methodologies to survival, while i was analysing the reasons y ppl suicide, and whether each is worth it. -_- '|Like I've said... Nothing wrong with 'healthy' discussions.. But ANY SLIGHTEST CHANCE of putting people's LIVES on the STAKE? I don't see the POINT
Err... tink it's nt really mi at e wrong end. After all, a thread like tis was posted. Surely u can't expect everyone to be posting an identical response, yah? Like i said, i'm juz a devil advocate. But in the end, no one is teaching everyone how to suicide anyway. Try posting a thread abt Sadam Hussein. Even if there were ppl who might compliment anything good abt him, it doesn't mean these ppl are Saddam supporters, no?Another reason I refrain from discussing such a thing here.. It can be QUITE MEANINGLESS... Because the situation would VARIES ALOT on a CASE to CASE BASIS...
Thankfully, we have a couple of contributors who are willing to share their stories for da discussion.1. If you're GOING THROUGH SH|T now. You just ENDS your life. Your life would be NOTHING but SH|T. WHERE's your PAY BACK?? It's like WORKING for a particular JOB... You WORK SO HARD... Before you get your pay, you QUIT? You END UP GIVING ALOT but receiving NOTHING in RETURN...
Let mi describe a situation metaphorically:
- You have a job at present (You are alive).
- You worked so hard, frm morning to night (tolerating wif the ups and downs of life).
- At the end of the month (When u were expecting some comfort/rewards for all u gone thru),
- yr boss tells ya tt he has some cash flow difficulty, and can only pay the other staffs 1st (God/Providence/Fate doesn't recognise yr dillegence or sympathic towards yr pains, while showering yr peers with good fortune/luck/destiny).
- U are very understanding of your boss and willing to let him/her delay payment of yr salary. (U temporary bottle up all the unhappiness, and hope for a better 2molo.)
- U felt that maybe u haven't performed enuff, thus u work extra hard to prove yr worth. (U tried extra hard to curb all the negative feelings within u, being optimistic abt being able to get yr rewards eventually.)
- For the time being, u borrowed money frm yr relatives and friends to past the days. (U relied on yr tolerance and got yrself some hobbies to bring some comfort to yourselves.)
- Another month went by, and u got poorer. Yr boss said the same thingy again. (With days, yr patience and yr tolerance ran out. Looking for hobbies or optimistic reasons seems like deceiving yrselves. Self-pity built onto of yr misery.)
- Many more months went by, and u no longer trust yr boss. U lost the motivation to produce quality work, and u slack even more. (U have lost faith and hope of yr life, and u sink into self-degraduation. U drink yaself drunk. U smoke like a chimney. U can't b bothered wif ppl around u anymore.)
- Finally, yr boss wasn't happy abt yr performance and gave ya a sounding. U wasn't happy abt him nt keeping his promise and delay yr salary payments anyway. U quit. (When the world hates u for what u've become, u've become cynical. U felt tt u have every right be fallen since the whole world owns u. U sheer anger, u suicided.)
This is my analysis of ppl who hates their life and wanted to suicide. Coincidently, i reflects mine too, juz tt it has nuthin to do wif boss or wad. My solution is: Dun waste emotional energy dwelling on yr pains. It will only multiply them. And dun put hope in anything. The wings of hope will only bring u high, and flung u down a few hundred thousands to your death. Instead, learn to like wad u do. Be enthruastic abt living and the good people around u. (If u dun have, find these ppl. I'm sure sgforums got a good number of this ppl in this section of the forum. Juz dun go to the bar room! )2. The DEEPER the SH|T you're IN, the HIGHER the CHANCE of life making a TURN BACK... THINK about it... NOTHING would go in ONLY ONE DIRECTION CONSTANTLY... And the DEEPER DOWN you are... Even the SLIGHTEST 'happiness' can seems SO BEAUTIFUL to you... But of course, it's provided that you've finally 'see it through'... Which is kinda HARD to explain here.. You've just got to EXPERIENCE IT for YOURSELF..?
This is an optimistic rationale of surviving, as opposed to my pesimistic rationalizing above. But both works anyway, since it juz appeal to 2 different groups of ppl.
Agreed on the part abt: "And the DEEPER DOWN you are... Even the SLIGHTEST 'happiness' can seems SO BEAUTIFUL to you... ". Juz like pure chocolates, they taste better when they are also slightly bitter! Yummie! I'm a chocobolic myself.
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Here's a repost of an article I wrote on the subject of "Life". Hope this helps to give at least some insight...
How's Life?
How's life? A phrase that is used everyday, when you meet an old acquaintance or when you run out of questions to ask. Inquiring as to how people's lives are is commonly confined to people whom you are acquainted with. One doesn't simply go around asking people whom they do not know, "how's life?"
Life is peachy, life is c^@p, life's a b!@ch, life sucks, we've heard them all.
What is the meaning of life? According to Dictionary.com, life is "The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism." Whatever that means. I myself cannot give an answer to all the queries pertaining to life. All I can offer is a broader perspective on the subject that has been debated and discussed over since the days of yore.
Our lives are run by our wants and our needs. Our level of contentment, our focus in life and our perspective are also main factors.
Needs. We need food, shelter, clothing, all the basic necessities in life, but these basic necessities break down into complex groups and categories that intertwine with our wants.
For example, currently, for our needs, we require money, so we work. Now we have money, but we aren't satisfied, we want more. We want to eat good food everyday, settle in a lush home, wear fashionable clothing. So we work some more.
Enter focus. Some people focus on building their careers or making more money, others focus on their personal lives and family, yet others still will have, well, no focus at all. One thing for sure is that our point of focus will always be shifting from one thing to another. Why? To get what we want.
But I have to ask, do we really need what we want? Can we live without most of the things we strived so hard for? This is where perspective and philosophy comes into play. One's mindset on life substantiates and sets the benchmark of one's level of contentment and satisfaction, which correlates with one's quality of life.
It doesn't really matter if the question of life is answered or not. What matters most is how we live it. If we live our lives without wants, will we be reduced to just another creature on the face of this earth? Sometimes, wanting is a good thing. It can broaden one's intellect and also bring out the best in us. But there are pro's, and there are con's. Excessive wanting can also be one's downfall. The lesson here? Moderation. Life is too short to focus on shortcomings, but it's long enough for us to fulfill our longings.
Ever heard the adage, "Life is a journey, not a destination"? If some thought is to be given to this phrase, it does ring true. Everyday of our lives, we see new things and experience new sensations. Time doesn't stand still. It moves, and so do we. Since space = time, and distance = space, aren't we traveling everyday?
Life is not just a mere "thing". Words don't seem to be able to even describe it. Can anything ever compare to it? Life is intangible. You cannot see it, you cannot hear it, you cannot touch it (all in the literal sense) but you still experience it, by living it.
Back to the question on the meaning of life. I still cannot provide an answer, but all I can say is this. Point your focus on the things in life that really matters, put your wants and needs into proper perspective, and be contented. Your life won't have any meaning, unless you yourself give it some.
So, how's life?
Copyright ©2004 Asfi K
Just sharing my thoughts. people. What do you think about life?