Johor Bahru bus routes
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The usual ticket fare once onboard CW3 from Bkt Indah to Gelang Patah-Jurong East is RM2.60. But the Shuttle Bus service is RM3. Funny, isn't it? Then it's no surprise that most residences of Bkt Indah don't mind walking out or get their loved ones to drive them to the main road (eventhough it's pitch dark) to wait for the bus coming from Kotaraya-Tmn Perling.
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Aiyah, they funny one..Originally posted by purplecrazed:The usual ticket fare once onboard CW3 from Bkt Indah to Gelang Patah is RM2.60. But the Shuttle Bus service is RM3. Funny, isn't it? Then it's no surprise that most residences of Bkt Indah don't mind walking out or get their loved ones to drive them to the main road (eventhough it's pitch dark) to wait for the bus coming from Kotaraya-Tmn Perling. -
The picture of the bus on the 18.280 HOCLR page is actually an SL252 with HICOM bodywork. There was another page (closed) in the HICOM website which showcases the SL252 (with the same picture) and I remember it stated its engine capacity at roughly 7 litres with 250 hp. I'm pretty sure the 18.280 (on the webpage) and the 18.250 (HI's bus) is the same but with different engines only.Originally posted by hseochin:Upon checking the engineering drawing @ their website, i notice they now use the same citybus dashboard which was used on the SL252 (similar as on O 405) on the 18.280 as well !
But i sense something's not quite 'right' in that they pass off the 18.280 shown in the website photo as 'chassis' only because the bodywork certainly does appear to me to be of 'sufficient' quality in design & finish to pass off as original MAN citybus body instead !?! The 'themes' in the styling is certainly consistent with MAN integrally constructed CBU OEM bodywork which 'flows smoothly' from their bus to coach to truck product lines, i observe. Most unlikely therefore they should say it's 'chassi' only as such ? Maybe the body shown only used as 'model' for illustration purposes ?? As such i find it somewhat confusing because looking @ the complete bus purely on looks it would likely be though to be a SL252 or SL262 instead ?!?
In conclusion, i'll say that what's currently shown @ the MAN website is probably only their current product line-up for the Malaysian market i.e. they don't show the older models like those SL252 used by Intrakota & these are the ones my 'engine perception' instincts (based on perceived levels of 'soildness' & 'sound power') tells me that the 12-litre was ever used on their citybus model like the SL252 & in view of the larger physical dimensions of a 12-litre (compared to say a much smaller 7-litre unit) it's most certain in the SL252 that the 12-litre engine was horizontally mounted like on O 405. If it's a coach body then maybe they'll consider vertical mounting as well in view of the lesser need to ensure a low floor level compared to in the case for a citybus body.
I note there's no 18.250 mentioned @ the MAN website, so that'll mean one can't be too sure yet that the engine on the 18.250 is vertically mounted ??
Why i don't think the engine is vertical is because in order for it to be vertically mounted onto a citybus body (with the emphasis on as low as possible as floor height) the engine would have to a 'small' cc engine (like 7-litre instead of a much bigger 12-litre unit) so that the longitudinal protrusion is not too 'long' that they need to raise the rear section of the body too high & long. If the 18.250 uses the 7-litre engine then possible it's vertically mounted since the protrusion into the body is minimal. BUT having actually 'heard' the 18.250 on my rides taken, the sound characteristics simply tell me the engine used cannot be as small as 7-litre, which means to me the next larger known engine they use is the older noisier 12-litre unit, which for citybus body mounting would most certainly have to be horizontally mounted.
So, you could be right that the 18.250 has vertically mounted engine but i think the best way to be sure is to flip open the bonnet to find out...but for the reasons mentioned above, i'm still doubtful.
As for the MAN models used in HI's fleet, assuming they use only the current models available on CW2, i then expect it to be 18.313 instead of 18.280, as earlier though, unless MAN offers 2 versions of the 18.280 i.e. citybus & coach versions ?? But if it's the 18.313 the engine doesn't sound like a MAN 12-litre engine to me, more like a 7-litre instead ?! -
The 12-litre engine used on the 16.240 used by SJE sounds exactly like the engine used on the SL252, only noticiable difference to me being that SJE uses manual while Intrakota uses automatic. From actually taking rides on both models i notice both are equally 'lethagic' in acceleration & speed etc. Both are very loud but smooth running engines, like BMW car in-line 6-cylinder engines !!
From the SJE engine capacity declaration on the bodywork, the cc is stated either as 11970 cc or 11967 cc i.e. 12-litres.
Therefore knowing how the 12-litre engine 'feels' like, it then becomes logically difficult to think that the SL252 used a 7-litre engine only as then the sound characteristics expected to be quite different ? Unless MAN replaced the older 12-litre with the newer 7-litre in later versions of the SL252 ??
Based on the engineering drawings @ the MAN website, i'll agree the 18.280 & 18.250 both use the entry-level 3-step citybus chassi & dashboard but with physically different engines.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:The picture of the bus on the 18.280 HOCLR page is actually an SL252 with HICOM bodywork. There was another page (closed) in the HICOM website which showcases the SL252 (with the same picture) and I remember it stated its engine capacity at roughly 7 litres with 250 hp. I'm pretty sure the 18.280 (on the webpage) and the 18.250 (HI's bus) is the same but with different engines only. -
This shuttle service, does it circle around Bukit Indah estate before heading for the expressway towards Gelang Patah station ? Maybe they price the fare on distance so if they wander around Bukit Indah for a while before overlapping with the CW3 route, they'll than find it justifiable to charge slightly higher for the more door-step service ?
If the off-peak demand is too low for the shuttle service, they should then only deploy it during peak hours, stating clearly what time range is defined as peak hours.
BTW, are there any bus service from Gelang Patah station to Ledang Heights & Leisure Farm Resorts ?? If not, then how much taxi fare & how long to reach these estates from the station ? Also is it 'easy' to get taxi back to the station from these estates ? If not, then how much booking fees to call for taxi pickup from the station ? I didn't notice earlier, is there any taxi stand @ Johor CIQ ?
I believe Ledang Heights & Leisure Farm Resorts are both not ready for occupation @ this time ?? Also, are Taman Sutera, Perling & Bukit Indah estates well served by various bus services (besides CW3 & their shuttle service) to & from Gelang Patah station ?
Any money changer in Gelang Patah or Perling ?Originally posted by purplecrazed:I dun know anything abt bus type/make/model, but I noticed recently that one of their usual, big/full-size CW3 bus has been turned into a SHUTTLE BUS between Bkt Indah-Gelang Patah. On the bus signage is written as such & they also state the price as RM3.
I don't know what's the frequency & timing of the shuttle bus and I wonder if this is a worthwhile effort since most people from Bkt Indah tend to wait at the main road leading to the highway to board the Kotaraya-local route CW3 during peak hours. During off-peak, there doesn't seem to be any passengers taking the shuttle service.
But I wld say the shuttle service would certainly benefit more residences of Bkt Indah if it takes on the route usually taken by Triton 501/ HI 111, picking up passengers from within the housing estates (invisible bus stops in front of the houses) instead of just from the main road, which is what CW3 is currently doing. And it wld be also good if the pick-up point includes Bestmart.
Therefore, if HI wants to provide the shuttle bus for the long-run, then perhaps it's good to use the "midibuses"? -
I thought when it comes to which bus goes where, PJ_Quek is good at answering this question?Originally posted by hseochin:This shuttle service, does it circle around Bukit Indah estate before heading for the expressway towards Gelang Patah station ? Maybe they price the fare on distance so if they wander around Bukit Indah for a while before overlapping with the CW3 route, they'll than find it justifiable to charge slightly higher for the more door-step service ?
If the off-peak demand is too low for the shuttle service, they should then only deploy it during peak hours, stating clearly what time range is defined as peak hours.
BTW, are there any bus service from Gelang Patah station to Ledang Heights & Leisure Farm Resorts ?? If not, then how much taxi fare & how long to reach these estates from the station ? Also is it 'easy' to get taxi back to the station from these estates ? If not, then how much booking fees to call for taxi pickup from the station ? I didn't notice earlier, is there any taxi stand @ Johor CIQ ?
I believe Ledang Heights & Leisure Farm Resorts are both not ready for occupation @ this time ?? Also, are Taman Sutera, Perling & Bukit Indah estates well served by various bus services (besides CW3 & their shuttle service) to & from Gelang Patah station ?
Any money changer in Gelang Patah or Perling ?
Well, not that I know of there's any buses going to Ledang Heights, whether it's from Larkin, Kotaraya or even Gelang Patah. And nope, Gelang Patah interchange has only the Transit Link bus going to town.
You can, however, take CW3 to Gelang Patah interchange and then from there take a taxi to Ledang Heights. The distance from GP to Ledang Heights is quite near but I don't know how much will the fare be. If you need a taxi back from Ledang Heights, maybe what you can do is get one of the taxi driver's contact no. at Gelang Patah and make an agreement with him that you will need his service to fetch you back from Ledang Heights at a later time.
There are no other buses from Tmn Sutera, Perling or Bkt Indah to Gelang Patah other than CW3 (departing from Kotaraya).
Residences of Tmn Perling have the best advantage of CW3 because it takes on a route that passes by Perling Mall, Jln Persisiran Perling and Jalan Layang, the same as Triton 501 & HI 111. Tmn Sutera is totally way out from this route because of its diverted & rather remote location. Even Triton 501 & HI 111 do not serve this estate. Most passengers get off from Jalan Persisiran Perling and probably take a long walk in to Tmn Sutera (it's quite far in though... ) As for Bkt Indah, CW3 does not go round the housing estate. It's just a passing-through route (at the roundabout) before it hits the highway.
There's a money changer at Perling Mall but so far I've not seen it anywhere near Gelang Patah, simply because we dare not wander off from the bus interchange while we're in transit. -
I think from GP bus station to Ledang Heights is only about 10-15 minutes.Originally posted by hseochin:BTW, are there any bus service from Gelang Patah station to Ledang Heights & Leisure Farm Resorts ?? If not, then how much taxi fare & how long to reach these estates from the station ? Also is it 'easy' to get taxi back to the station from these estates ? If not, then how much booking fees to call for taxi pickup from the station ? I didn't notice earlier, is there any taxi stand @ Johor CIQ ?
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Perhaps this will explain everythingOriginally posted by The_Bus_Guide:The picture of the bus on the 18.280 HOCLR page is actually an SL252 with HICOM bodywork. There was another page (closed) in the HICOM website which showcases the SL252 (with the same picture) and I remember it stated its engine capacity at roughly 7 litres with 250 hp. I'm pretty sure the 18.280 (on the webpage) and the 18.250 (HI's bus) is the same but with different engines only.
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Hmm, I remembered last time there's 347 (old NAC type) serving between GP and Tanjung Kupang, which passes by outside Leisure Farm, not sure whether this svc still exists today or not. Purplecrazed can you check this out please?Originally posted by purplecrazed:I thought when it comes to which bus goes where, PJ_Quek is good at answering this question?
Well, not that I know of there's any buses going to Ledang Heights, whether it's from Larkin, Kotaraya or even Gelang Patah. And nope, Gelang Patah interchange has only the Transit Link bus going to town.
You can, however, take CW3 to Gelang Patah interchange and then from there take a taxi to Ledang Heights. The distance from GP to Ledang Heights is quite near but I don't know how much will the fare be. If you need a taxi back from Ledang Heights, maybe what you can do is get one of the taxi driver's contact no. at Gelang Patah and make an agreement with him that you will need his service to fetch you back from Ledang Heights at a later time.
There are no other buses from Tmn Sutera, Perling or Bkt Indah to Gelang Patah other than CW3 (departing from Kotaraya).
Residences of Tmn Perling have the best advantage of CW3 because it takes on a route that passes by Perling Mall, Jln Persisiran Perling and Jalan Layang, the same as Triton 501 & HI 111. Tmn Sutera is totally way out from this route because of its diverted & rather remote location. Even Triton 501 & HI 111 do not serve this estate. Most passengers get off from Jalan Persisiran Perling and probably take a long walk in to Tmn Sutera (it's quite far in though... ) As for Bkt Indah, CW3 does not go round the housing estate. It's just a passing-through route (at the roundabout) before it hits the highway.
There's a money changer at Perling Mall but so far I've not seen it anywhere near Gelang Patah, simply because we dare not wander off from the bus interchange while we're in transit.
Another thing is, there's a straight bus from GP to town which is CW3 (coz it ends at Kotaraya, which is town liao right?), Transit Link sv 6 and HI sv 666 only served between GP and Larkin. To get to town from GP if you take 6 or 666, you will have to do a transit at Tampoi.
Btw, there's 2 Tmn Sutera, one at Perling, the other one at Aminah.
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Triton 507 route details
Kota Masai - Bandaraya
Kota Masai
Cendana
Masai Town / Terminal
Jln Masai
Bandar Seri Alam
Plentong
Permas Jaya
Bakar Batu
Jln Pasir Pelangi
Jln Stulang Darat
Stulang Laut / Duty Free Complex (Kompleks Bebas Cukai)
Jln Lingkaran Dalam
Jln Tebrau
Jln Tun Abd Razak
Jln Lingkaran Dalam
Jln Ayer Molek
Post Office
Town (Jln Wong Ah Fook)
Jln Tebrau and return back to Kota Masai
In bold: the usual detour route, otherwise buses enter town using Jln Tun Abd Razak, make a "U turn" at Jln Stesen and enter Jln Wong Ah Fook (bypass the Post Office) -
Buses that served Stulang Laut and Duty Free Complex are......
Transit Link 123
HI 22
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Originally posted by PJ_Quek:
What happened to Maju 11 and its MAN midis?
[b]Buses that served Stulang Laut and Duty Free Complex are......
Transit Link 123
HI 22
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I have an engine shot of an Intrakota MAN SL252. Could you tell the engine's capacity from the picture? (Or perhaps it wasn't of much help?Originally posted by hseochin:The 12-litre engine used on the 16.240 used by SJE sounds exactly like the engine used on the SL252, only noticiable difference to me being that SJE uses manual while Intrakota uses automatic. From actually taking rides on both models i notice both are equally 'lethagic' in acceleration & speed etc. Both are very loud but smooth running engines, like BMW car in-line 6-cylinder engines !!
From the SJE engine capacity declaration on the bodywork, the cc is stated either as 11970 cc or 11967 cc i.e. 12-litres.
Therefore knowing how the 12-litre engine 'feels' like, it then becomes logically difficult to think that the SL252 used a 7-litre engine only as then the sound characteristics expected to be quite different ? Unless MAN replaced the older 12-litre with the newer 7-litre in later versions of the SL252 ??
Based on the engineering drawings @ the MAN website, i'll agree the 18.280 & 18.250 both use the entry-level 3-step citybus chassi & dashboard but with physically different engines.
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http://suhirman.fotopic.net/p17299518.html
Just for comparison, here's an engine shot of a MAN 16.290 with a 12-litre engine.
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Is it the MAN 10.220?Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:What happened to Maju 11 and its MAN midis? -
Not very clear due to the surrounding darkness, but the engine in that SL252 looks rather 'flat' to me while that on the 16.290 looks rather 'vertical' to me instead.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:I have an engine shot of an Intrakota MAN SL252. Could you tell the engine's capacity from the picture? (Or perhaps it wasn't of much help? )
http://suhirman.fotopic.net/p17299518.html
Just for comparison, here's an engine shot of a MAN 16.290 with a 12-litre engine.
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Those on that list are all very recent, since it's the 7-litre Euro-3 engine.
Therefore it does not contain any info on the earlier engines & chassi models.Originally posted by carbikebus:Perhaps this will explain everything http://www.man.com.au/man/products/busspec.asp -
Handal Indah's kampung-roof bus also goes there. Taken it there from outside JBCS to the taxi stand outside the duty-free complex & back to JBCS. Bus-chassi expected to be O 500 M-1725 but with automatic instead.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:What happened to Maju 11 and its MAN midis?
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Oh yeah... yes, yes, besides Transit Link 6, of course CW3 goes to Kotaraya too.. which is the town alright... And yup, HI 666 is only between GP-Larkin.Originally posted by PJ_Quek:Hmm, I remembered last time there's 347 (old NAC type) serving between GP and Tanjung Kupang, which passes by outside Leisure Farm, not sure whether this svc still exists today or not. Purplecrazed can you check this out please?
Another thing is, there's a straight bus from GP to town which is CW3 (coz it ends at Kotaraya, which is town liao right?), Transit Link sv 6 and HI sv 666 only served between GP and Larkin. To get to town from GP if you take 6 or 666, you will have to do a transit at Tampoi.
Btw, there's 2 Tmn Sutera, one at Perling, the other one at Aminah.
The money changer at Perling Mall is located just outside of the entrance of the complex, very easy to locate.
As for 347, that I don't know..... I'll have to ask people at GP....
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Didnt see any svc 11 buses nowadays, and svc 10 as well. Besides, 22, 123 and 507 dont call along the bus stop at Duty Free Complex unlike last time.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:What happened to Maju 11 and its MAN midis?
Not to forget the HI kampung-roof bus, thanks to Hseochin's reminder. -
Yup, one at Tmn Perling, the other one, sandwiched somewhere between Tmn Sri Yakob, Nusa Bestari 2 and Aminah.Originally posted by purplecrazed:Oh, I didn't know there's 2 Tmn Sutera....? -
11 no more. 10 is very rare. now only got 22, 123, 507 to kompleks bebas cukai.
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I believe service 347 no longer exist.Originally posted by PJ_Quek:Hmm, I remembered last time there's 347 (old NAC type) serving between GP and Tanjung Kupang, which passes by outside Leisure Farm, not sure whether this svc still exists today or not. Purplecrazed can you check this out please? -
I recently took notice that Gelang Patah has one money changer just beside the bus station. Walking out from the bus interchange, turn left. It's the old shophouse building. Honestly, nobody dares to walk out to the money changer during transferring of buses...Originally posted by hseochin:Any money changer in Gelang Patah or Perling ? -
Is there a taxi stand near the Gelang Patah bus interchange? Don't remember seeing any taxi roaming around that area...guess it must be difficult to catch one.
Think it's fine to be car-less in Singapore because of the accessibility and convenience of public transport. But to be car-less in Malaysia...sigh... -
Ermm... the Gelang Patah bus interchange is actually CUM Taxi station.Originally posted by surfbabe:Is there a taxi stand near the Gelang Patah bus interchange? Don't remember seeing any taxi roaming around that area...guess it must be difficult to catch one.
Think it's fine to be car-less in Singapore because of the accessibility and convenience of public transport. But to be car-less in Malaysia...sigh...
Many taxi drivers there, always hanging around, sit at the Malay coffee-shop or sit at the benches to watch tv. They seem like they're very free.