Improvements to Orchard Road Bus Services
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In the first place, SilverKris you should not have set up an opinion thread like this...because it would cause unnecessary disagreement. By trying to satisfy your own desire to see opinions you might brew trouble which I think you have already done...if you are so interested in opinions, why don't you ask people to private message you instead rather than making the post in public.
So yeah...in the first place don't ask for opinions in the public.
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Zilchster what a truly bizzare opinion.
this is a public forum- where people can post their thoughts, their ideas, their doubts, their imaginary bus services/companies, their opinions on anything related to buses....and basically their enthusiasm about buses.
That's why we have topics like "Memorable bus rides" or "you prefer sbst or smrt" or "where have all the passengers gone" or "what bus posessions did you collect" or "do you think sbst and smrt future routes will all be express ones" or "if you were a BC, which interchange/terminal would you avoid" or "which is your favourite bus captain uniform" etc....you get the idea.
ALL topics which are subjective, and based on one's experiences, opinions and reflections.
no one has complained about all these topics.
no one has problems with my thread- except you.
it has not caused any disagreement with anyone else- except you.
no one has problems with other people voicing their opinions- except you.
you cannot stand the idea that other people have opinions too.
different people are going to say different things. different people are going to have different opinions.
perhaps you should refrain from contributing to this public bus forum in the future. or perhaps you should just stay away from this thread.
i am not "satisfying my desire" here hahaha!! i am posting a new thread and inviting opinions.
i have not 'brewed any trouble'. you are the one who has trouble with the people here, and what they have to say.
i am interested in opinions, that's why i am in a public forum. you are obviously not, so you should probably stay away (or change to a new nick to avoid contempt here.)
as far as i can see, you are just digging yourself into a bigger hole the more illogical your retorts become.
and so, UNTIL u can:
change your attitude, tell right from wrong, respect other people, get along with others, demonstrate you are capable of being friendly.......
sayonara to you!! -
Lovely,silverkris. Perhaps, i shall sepak up from PJ_quek's point of view. As long as anyone's opinion is sensible (Which I feel PJ_Quek's is), anyone is free to voice them out. In this case, PJ_Quek didnt say anything that is not decent or of inapporpiate content, thus, I dont see the need to be belligerent to him. If you cant stand his completely legitimate opinions, just ignore him and get on with your life, because, it doesnt help at all to insult him in such a manner.
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502 could be reverted back to Hougang/Sengkang area and be converted to a trunk serivce, which i think would solve the problem for lack of connection from Hougang/Serangoon/Sengkang area to Somerset area.
SBS Transit can also consider deploying DDs on 162 as it is packed to the brim sometimes. -
What is wrong with you, Zilchster?
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I think 502 can further extend north to Punggol.Originally posted by gohby:502 could be reverted back to Hougang/Sengkang area and be converted to a trunk serivce, which i think would solve the problem for lack of connection from Hougang/Serangoon/Sengkang area to Somerset area.
SBS Transit can also consider deploying DDs on 162 as it is packed to the brim sometimes. -
Silverkris, please use some sense.
This is wat u said
That's why we have topics like "Memorable bus rides" or "you prefer sbst or smrt" or "where have all the passengers gone" or "what bus posessions did you collect" or "do you think sbst and smrt future routes will all be express ones" or "if you were a BC, which interchange/terminal would you avoid" or "which is your favourite bus captain uniform" etc....you get the idea.
ALL topics which are subjective, and based on one's experiences, opinions and reflections.
When you have topics like You prefer this or that, Which interchange/terminal you avoid and blah...by asking people to pick a preference there will be a tendency to lead to a quarrel...i'm just pointing this out...seriously...at the end of the day you are the troublemaker who starts topics like this. I would advise you to stay way because if you are going to start more opinion topics which might cause debates and subsequently veer off into arguments, you are not definitely not welcome. As I said you wanna invite opinions do it in the private. Period. Why can't you do that then?
And you can't speak for me Silverkris, you are not me. You cannot say that I cannot stand the fact that people have opinions.
Let me ask you how useful are your contribution Silverkris? What help have you been? Have you provided any information or anything of this kind? Ask yourself.
As for PJ Quek suggestion let me shoot it down from the business point of view. Maybe you think I buy what SBS Transit has to say or what. But from the business sense, PJ Quek doesn't make any sense. The whole idea of network rationalisation in the NE corridor is to prevent duplication (yes yes 502 hardly duplicates the NEL) but the whole idea is for commuters to use the NEL...the NEL has yet to break even...and it's definitely not in good business to duplicate resources and end up in a lose-lose situation for a company. Of course I would like 502 reinstated...it was a very convenient service for me. But if you look at the bigger picture or in the business sense...if people dun break the habit of using the NEL...the under-utilisation of the NEL would cause SBS Transit to lose $$...they have to account to shareholders...and I am sure you know most businesses have to make a profit...if losses are mounting...the only way to do is to raise fares. Then we grumble and curse.
Express 502 was definitely quite a cash-cow for SBS Transit...unwilling they may be in shortening the route, they had to for the sake of reducing losses.
Of course different parties have their own different interests...commuters want convenience...companies want profits...firstly try to see the forest or the big picture.
What PJ Quek say is suggesting is from an own personal interests. 502 was my direct bus from Orchard. I am not grumbling or what. It's a matter of taking an alternative...as for no connections between Hg/SK/S'goon to Orc...use the NEL.
Hg Ave 8 is not an exclusive area that 502 must serve. There are other populous areas in HG as well. -
Wah silverkris didiÂ…..long time no see Â… you appear out of the blue and give a good reply! How did your exam results go?
Zilchster is very strange horÂ…senior member some more (!!)
He appears unaware this is a forum where people are ALLOWED to have different thoughts on the same subject. Maybe he is influenced by school too much….he can only accept one ‘model answer’ (his own).
So many 'opinion threads' here but no one is quarrelling except him. In addition, no one has any sense, unless they agree with him.Silverkris, please use some sense..........PJ Quek doesn't make any sense........
I think people can tell who is being reasonable here, and who is being unreasonable. The best solution is to ignore his silly retorts and move on. Otherwise this will have no end. O.K. everyone DO NOT RESPOND further.
I hope PJ_Quek hasnÂ’t been intimidated though.
My two cents worth on service 16:
Service 16 seems to have more than its fair share of controversies. Many were unhappy when it took over the route of 390 to the airport. Some complained when 36 was introduced from Bukit Merah later, and now 36 has taken over roughly the same route of the former 390, and operates a similar route as 16 from town.
Perhaps the routes of 16 and 36 can be amended to become complementary, so that 16 can use DDs? i.e. avoiding narrow lanes and height gantries.
Not too sure if it'll work. Just my take on the subject.
To digress a little, I remember the good old days (ok I am older than most here) when many interchanges had specific services that served Orchard Road.
168 Ang Mo Kio- Orchard Road
140 Toa Payoh- Orchard Road
23 Tampines- Orchard Road
Things were less complicated then. (but of course smaller population, no mrt) -
Period...I am not going to comment on this thread further. Dao4 Bu4 Tong2 Bu4 Xiang1 Wei2 Mou2.
Anyway to whoever I owe an apology, Sorry.
Anyway I don't mean anything bad with 'What is wrong with you?'
And hopefully opinion threads could be kept to a bare minimal. -
(WindyDay, sorry, i have to break the ban from responding)
It's hilarious how one, short of reason and logical rebuttals, has to quickly seize on one word "didi", talk about 'family relationships' and kick up a big fuss- actually one whole paragraph!
Next time, if i know someone younger than I am, I better not be friendly and address him as 'didi' or 'meimei' . hahahaha
He also has a brand new insult for anyone who disagrees with him:There are better things to do than talking to crows...
Just had to get my LAST few lines in since I was the first one to point out basic etiquette to Zilchster. I will *try* to obey the ban from now on- even if Zilchster responds
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Apparently after all these you still dont get the simple rationale at what we are driving at.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with opinion threads, as long as it is not crappy and nonsensical statements. Therefore, I dont think opinion threads should be kept bare minimal. Once again, if you cant relate to what the other person is saying, then back off instead of passing harsh and crude remarks. Why cant you face different opinions in an amicable manner? No one here is a crow, and you by doing this, is disgracing yourself even further. Please, stop being so impulsive, can you?
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Whatever.
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True True but realli hope 2 c DD on sv16. In HK, if u take NWFB sv15 to the Peak, the road is windy & narrow & the drivers SPEED! but then again, this is singapore...Originally posted by leeJZ:Also I dun think DDs can use the vv narrow Joo Chiat Rd. -
Originally posted by NineGrains:
sv16 is a loop service at Siglap Rd, so no bus terminal...
my number one grouse is bus 16. since it no longer terminates at changi airport pt, is it possible for the service to use DDs?
i have not taken the bus right to the end, and am unfamiliar with the terminal there.
i do not think the roads are too narrow for DDs with the route it plys.
there is always difficulty boarding the bus from orchard road, since it brings passengers to the east quickly, compared to say 14 or 7.[/b]
The roads are not narrow but there are a lot of inconsiderate drivers along Joo Chiat Rd who double park on the roads...
btw besides sv7,14,16, there is sv36 to get to the east[quicker ] -
i notice there's a heavy jam too. It's has to do with the layout of the junction. If you notice the junction where there's a overhanging traffic light. The kerb which this traffic lamp post is the cause of everything! if LTA just remove this kerb and move the traffic lamp post inner, the whole lane can be utilised! Buses need not be stuck at the junction[somerset & grange rd]. If you guys do drop by there, you will notice what i am sayingOriginally posted by iamgoondu:I meant instead of Somerset Road, Orchard Link and Orchard Boulevard. Skip Orchard Link. And travel by Sometset Road, Grange Road and Orchard Boulevard.
Forgo the busstop at Orchard LInk totally. Don't you think that the jams are at the junction between Sometset and Grange road? It was caused by vehicles from grange road clogging the junction by turning right into Somerset Road??? Despite the yellow boxes, the vehicles still clog the junction, thus buses move little despite green light and causes jams along sometset road. Let the buses turn left into Grange Road and that would result in lesser jam. -
I think DDs should only be deployed during peak hrs coz most of the time it's not packed. gohby,can you take down the timings and days when sv162 is crowded to the brim, then write to tell SBST about it so that there can take action by either increasing frequency during that period or adding a DD or two. if not, SBST will just reply "the service just not justify the deployment of DD, however we will monitor the situation and adjust the sv fleet accordingly."Originally posted by gohby:502 could be reverted back to Hougang/Sengkang area and be converted to a trunk serivce, which i think would solve the problem for lack of connection from Hougang/Serangoon/Sengkang area to Somerset area.
SBS Transit can also consider deploying DDs on 162 as it is packed to the brim sometimes. -
My two cents worth on service 16:
Service 16 seems to have more than its fair share of controversies. Many were unhappy when it took over the route of 390 to the airport. Some complained when 36 was introduced from Bukit Merah later, and now 36 has taken over roughly the same route of the former 390, and operates a similar route as 16 from town.
Perhaps the routes of 16 and 36 can be amended to become complementary, so that 16 can use DDs? i.e. avoiding narrow lanes and height gantries.
Not too sure if it'll work. Just my take on the subject.
Things were less complicated then. (but of course smaller population, no mrt)
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Eh, sv36 was not introduced from Bukit Merah, it's a loop between Changi Airport and Tomlinson Rd[loop service].
sv36 and sv16 serves different segments of the East side although their routes are complimentary along Orchard Rd and there is a demand for the different routes. Both svs cant use DD cause of height restrictions at Changi Airport & Stadium Rd/Nicoll Highway Tunnel so chances are slim... -
Woodlands is seriously lacking in a bus link to Orchard Rd, simply because of the MRT. I may still have direct link 95x if not for the MRT, but what's done can't be undone. But that aside, sometimes, it's kinda tough having the same operator operating both trains and buses to major places. Even the slightest duplication cannot be passed.
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To Acx1688,
Eh, sv36 was not introduced from Bukit Merah, it's a loop between Changi Airport and Tomlinson Rd[loop service].
Someone messaged me privately just now and pointed out this paragraph written by tranquilice on 12 February 2004:
sv36 and sv16 serves different segments of the East side although their routes are complimentary along Orchard Rd and there is a demand for the different routes. Both svs cant use DD cause of height restrictions at Changi Airport & Stadium Rd/Nicoll Highway Tunnel so chances are slim...
Service 16 "originally" operated between Bt Merah and Marine Parade. In 1993, services 31 (Tampines - Stadium Blvd) and 149 (Toa Payoh - Changi Airport) were merged. As a result, service 16 was extended to the airport to cover service 149 route from Marine Parade to the airport. Service 390 (Changi Airport - Tomlinson Rd) was withdrawn with service 16 as the alternative service. However, soon, service 390 passengers were complaining that with the amendment, they had to take service 16 to the airport which resulted in a longer travelling time. The press published the complaint and this "forced" SBST to introduce one-directional-peak-hours service 16E (Semi-express between Bt Merah - Changi Airport) not long after, which plied express along ECP, Rochor Rd/Ophir Rd, Beach Rd between the airport and City Hall MRT. In Dec 1997, service 16E was re-numbered service 36 with route and operating hours un-changed. Then in Sep 1998, service 36 route was amended to become the route today and changed its operation hours to a full day service, and service 16 route was shortened to Marine Parade on the same day.
Service 36 did ply Bt Merah - Changi Airport from Dec 1997 to Sep 1998. During that period, it duplicated service 16 between Bt Merah interchange and Stamford Rd/Bras Basah Rd during the peak hours. Before Dec 1997, service 36 is numbered service 16E.
For more information on service 36 (Bt Merah - Changi Airport), please check the 1998 Transitlink guide.
Actually I am a bit stunned that: 1. tranquilice knows his bus history like no one's business; and 2. that this "someone" (who prefers not to be named) can point out a paragraph that was written 10 months ago!
I remember taking Svc 36 from Bukit Merah, but I am quite certain I wouldn't be able to recount the entangled history of 16/16E/36/390. Perhaps someone brought up this subject eons ago. -
Svc 23 offered a faster connection to Orchard area. Express from Tampines Ave 5 to Bendemeer. Then kena cut short to Rochor Canal due to EWL rationalisation. But still gotta change trains. Also, Svc 65 winds its way through MacPherson and BDK Reservoir areas, so it can be rather time-consuming.Originally posted by WindyDay:To digress a little, I remember the good old days (ok I am older than most here) when many interchanges had specific services that served Orchard Road.
168 Ang Mo Kio- Orchard Road
140 Toa Payoh- Orchard Road
23 Tampines- Orchard Road
Things were less complicated then. (but of course smaller population, no mrt)
Still remember Svc 850 (YIS-BMR). The current 162 can't quite compensate for the loss of the former. -
Huh?!
I noe of the bad blood between sv390 and sv16E, but i tot sv36 was introduced to replace sv16E without going to Bukit Merah but looping at Tomlinson Rd[smething like sv390]?
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To summarise in short:Originally posted by WindyDay:I remember taking Svc 36 from Bukit Merah, but I am quite certain I wouldn't be able to recount the entangled history of 16/16E/36/390. Perhaps someone brought up this subject eons ago.
1993: Service 16 extended from Marine Parade terminal to Changi Airport PTB, to cover part of ex service 149 route. Service 390 withdrawn with service 16 as the replacement service.
Jan 1994: Service 16E introduced as peak-hours one-directional service (Bt Merah - Changi Airport), after receiving feedbacks from the public.
Dec 1997: Service 16E renumbered service 36 under a renumbering exercise, with route and operation hours unchanged. A total of 3 services were renumbered in this exercise, with the others 2 services being M1 to 92 and M2 to 42.
Sep 1998: Service 36 amended to become Changi Airport - Tomlinson Rd loop service operating on a whole-day schedule. Service 16 shortened from Changi Airport PTB to Marine Parade terminal. -
The renumbering of service 16E "created" service 36. And both did terminate at Bt Merah interchange (service 16E from introduction in Jan 1994 to renumbering day in Dec 1997, and service 36 from renumbering day in Dec 1997 to the day of amendment in Sep 1998.).Originally posted by Acx1688:Huh?!
I noe of the bad blood between sv390 and sv16E, but i tot sv36 was introduced to replace sv16E without going to Bukit Merah but looping at Tomlinson Rd[smething like sv390]? Yikes -
I live in the Serangoon North area. Bus service 502 was the only bus in 1999 that went to Orchard Road. Later in 2003, after the rationalisation of bus services due to NEL, bus 502 no longer ply the serangoon area. Besides that, before the NEL, bus services 111, 85 and 106 went to Orchard Road from the Hougang and Serangoon and the Sengkang area. Since the NEL is built, sigh, these three bus services are all affected.
I sincerely hope that there is a bus service that goes from Orchard Road to Serangoon, Hougang, Sengkang or even Punggol areas.
By the way, bus service 89 does not go to Orchard Road as in 2nd of January 2005. It goes to Changi Airport Cargo Complex via Pasir Ris and Sengkang areas.