think smrt should stop buying expensive buses

• alantanchunshyan

  6 Jan 05, 15:30

  well think that smrt should not be buying those expensive buses with expensive interiors like patterned seats etc.think smrt should focus on buying buses from less expensive brands and less expensive interiors.smrt should concentrate on improving frequencies by buying more buses from less expensive brands and not less buses by buying more expensive brands.what are your views and comments on this issue?
• Airbus330Captain

  6 Jan 05, 16:55

  SMRT should buy enviroment friendly low floor buses that will improve our bus transport system. That will definately cost more but will only benefits the bus company and the passengers. Passengers comes first before anything else.
• sbst275

  6 Jan 05, 17:02

  Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:

  SMRT should buy enviroment friendly low floor buses that will improve our bus transport system. That will definately cost more but will only benefits the bus company and the passengers. Passengers comes first before anything else.

  Talking abt this, the Habit cost, I believe majority of the cost went to the designer
• alantanchunshyan

  6 Jan 05, 18:41

  Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:

  SMRT should buy enviroment friendly low floor buses that will improve our bus transport system. That will definately cost more but will only benefits the bus company and the passengers. Passengers comes first before anything else.

  agree with you totally.if only smrt will buy lowfloor buses .
• alantanchunshyan

  6 Jan 05, 18:42

  Originally posted by sbst275:

  Talking abt this, the Habit cost, I believe majority of the cost went to the designer

  think this additional cost can use to buy more buses.smrt is only wasting money
• Acx1688

  6 Jan 05, 20:14

  Does SMRT have any low floor buses that can accomodate the Wheelchaired.
  Eabo Scania is low floor but has a v narrow aisle,cant maneuver wheel chair
• Airbus330Captain

  6 Jan 05, 20:25

  Originally posted by Acx1688:

  Does SMRT have any low floor buses that can accomodate the Wheelchaired.
  Eabo Scania is low floor but has a v narrow aisle,cant maneuver wheel chair

  I don't really consisder Elbo scania a low floor bus , there is a step at the rear door which is pretty wierd, the design of that bus bus is wierd itself.
• SBS9818A

  6 Jan 05, 20:35

  I have had enough of the nonsense these people post. It's hard to be nice any longer.
• Superbus

  6 Jan 05, 20:46

  The Scania L113CRL is a zero-step entry bus, which means it is not a true low-floor bus which is stepless from entrance to exit.
  
  Another example is the Mercedes Benz O405N which is a zero-step entry bus and Mercedes Benz O405N² which is a true low-floor bus.
  
  And yes, me too would like to know the source which says SMRTB buses are more expensive as compared to SBST's.
• ^tamago^

  6 Jan 05, 22:23

  for your information only. tis is not intended to be a definitive guide on market prices of these omnibuses. pls discuss about tis sensitively. no flame posts. respect each other's views.
  
  Approx. range of OMV^ of omnibuses
  (Rounded to nearest $5k)
  
  SBST
  Volvo B10BLE/Volgren/ZF (1688K): $290,494/=
  Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2988M): $392,935/=
  Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2989K): $345,601/=
  Volvo B10M Mk II/WA+DM/ZF: $170k - $185k
  Volvo B10M Mk III/DM/Voith: $179,359 - $205,089
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith (882Y): $194,473
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith: $176,792 - $177,183
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/ZF: $190k - $205k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/WA Strider/ZF: $175k - $190k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2689B-2788Z): $190k - $200k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2789X-2838M): $182,317 - $182,327
  Volvo B10M-70 Mk IV 14.5m/DM (997A): $204,810/=
  Volvo B10MA-60 Mk IV/DM/ZF (998Y): $286,611/=
  MB O.405GN/Volgren/ZF (999U): $455,348/=
  Volvo Olympian 2-axle/WA/Voith: $235k - $240k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9200G-9400X): ~$290k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9401T-9596P): $295k - $315k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9597L-9670K): $339,382 - $372,560
  Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren/Voith (9800A-9849K except 9810X): $398,355/=
  Volvo B10TL 3-axle/Volgren Australia/Voith (9810X): $389,944/= (cheaper than other VSOs)
  Volvo B10TL 3-axle/WA/ZF (9888Y): $464,374/=
  Leyland Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF: ~$300k
  MB O405 OAC/WA/MB: $210k - $230k
  MB O405 OAC/DM/MB: $200k - $225k
  MB O405 OAC/DM/Voith: $200k - $215k
  MB O405 NAC+CAC/DM/MB: $170k - $188k
  Scania N113CRB OAC/WA/Voith: $200k - $205k
  Scania N113CRB NAC+CAC/WA/Voith: $180k - $185k
  Scania L94UB/Volgren/ZF (2888T): $152,737/=
  Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9671E-9689E): ~$364k
  Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9690A): $377,815/=
  Dennis Dart/DM: ~$168k
  
  SMRTB
  MB O405/Hispano/ZF: $235k - $265k
  MB O405/Volgren/ZF: $226,241/=
  MB O405G/Hispano Box/ZF: $355k - $400k
  MB O405G/Hispano Box/ZF (838H): $587,636/=
  MB O405G/Hispano Smiley/ZF: $350k - $360k
  MB O405G/Volgren/ZF: $350k - $365k
  MB O405G/Volgren/Voith: $355k - $370k
  MB O405G/Habit/Voith: $340k - $380k
  MB O405G/Habit/ZF: $320k - $360k
  MB O405G/Habit/ZF (1148J-1176C): $350k - $365k
  Scania L113CRL/WA Strider/ZF: ~$240k
  Scania L113CRL/Elbo/ZF: ~$240k
  DAF SB220/Voith: ~$260k
  Hino HS3KRKK/Volgren/ZF: $157,737/=
  Hino HS3KRKA/Volgren (905Y): $220,000/=
  Dennis Lance UMW/DM/ZF: $159,650/=
  Dennis Lance UMW/Volgren/ZF: $171,590/=
  Dennis Lance/DM/ZF: $165,000/=
  Nissan U31RCN/Fuji/ZF: $246,486/=
  
  ^ OMV stands for Open Market Value. OMV is assessed by the Customs & Excise Department, taking into account the purchase price, freight, insurance, handling and all other charges incidental to the sale and delivery of the car from country of manufacture to Singapore.
  
  OMV = Ex-Works + Inland freight + Ocean/air freight + Insurance + (commission, royalty, trade discount, and other costs, expenses and charges incidental to the delivery of the goods to the place of importation, depending on the invoice term.) + 1% handling charge on the total of all those listed in bold + adjustment (eg agency uplfit)
• LazerLordz

  7 Jan 05, 00:22

  At least the Habits look proper and have a certain standard.Not like SBS's buses which are a patchwork or different manufacturers.Like rojak..
• alantanchunshyan

  7 Jan 05, 07:44

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:
  for your information only. tis is not intended to be a definitive guide on market prices of these omnibuses. [b]pls discuss about tis sensitively. no flame posts. respect each other's views.
  
  Approx. range of OMV^ of omnibuses
  (Rounded to nearest $5k)
  
  SBST
  Volvo B10BLE/Volgren/ZF (1688K): $290,494/=
  Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2988M): $392,935/=
  Volvo B10BLE-CNG/Volgren/ZF (2989K): $345,601/=
  Volvo B10M Mk II/WA+DM/ZF: $170k - $185k
  Volvo B10M Mk III/DM/Voith: $179,359 - $205,089
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith (882Y): $194,473
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/Voith: $176,792 - $177,183
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM/ZF: $190k - $205k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/WA Strider/ZF: $175k - $190k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2689B-2788Z): $190k - $200k
  Volvo B10M Mk IV/DM 3500/Voith (2789X-2838M): $182,317 - $182,327
  Volvo Olympian 2-axle/WA/Voith: $235k - $240k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9200G-9400X): ~$290k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9401T-9596P): $295k - $315k
  Volvo Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF (9597L-9670K): $339,382 - $372,560
  Volvo B10TL 3-axle/WA/Voith (9800A-9849K): $398,355/=
  Volvo B10TL 3-axle/WA/ZF (9888Y): $464,374/=
  Leyland Olympian 3-axle/WA/ZF: ~$300k
  MB O405 OAC/WA/MB: $210k - $230k
  MB O405 OAC/DM/MB: $200k - $225k
  MB O405 OAC/DM/Voith: $200k - $215k
  MB O405 NAC+CAC/DM/MB: $170k - $188k
  Scania N113CRB OAC/WA/Voith: $200k - $205k
  Scania N113CRB NAC+CAC/WA/Voith: $180k - $185k
  Scania L94UB/Volgren/ZF (2888T): $152,737/=
  Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9671E-9689E): ~$364k
  Dennis Trident/DM 5000/Voith (9690A): $377,815/=
  Dennis Dart/DM: ~$168k
  
  SMRTB
  MB O405/Hispano/ZF: $235k - $265k
  MB O405/Volgren/ZF: $226,241/=
  MB O405G/Hispano Box/ZF: $355k - $400k
  MB O405G/Hispano Box/ZF (838H): $587,636/=
  MB O405G/Hispano Smiley/ZF: $350k - $360k
  MB O405G/Volgren/ZF: $350k - $365k
  MB O405G/Volgren/Voith: $355k - $370k
  MB O405G/Habit/Voith: $340k - $380k
  MB O405G/Habit/ZF: $320k - $360k
  MB O405G/Habit/ZF (1148J-1176C): $350k - $365k
  Scania L113CRL/WA Strider/ZF: ~$240k
  Scania L113CRL/Elbo/ZF: ~$240k
  DAF SB220/Voith: ~$260k
  Hino HS3KRKK/Volgren/ZF: $157,737/=
  Hino HS3KRKA/Volgren (905Y): $220,000/=
  Dennis Lance UMW/DM/ZF: $159,650/=
  Dennis Lance UMW/Volgren/ZF: $171,590/=
  Dennis Lance/DM/ZF: $165,000/=
  Nissan U31RCN/Fuji/ZF: $246,486/=
  
  ^ OMV stands for Open Market Value. OMV is assessed by the Customs & Excise Department, taking into account the purchase price, freight, insurance, handling and all other charges incidental to the sale and delivery of the car from country of manufacture to Singapore.
  
  OMV = Ex-Works + Inland freight + Ocean/air freight + Insurance + (commission, royalty, trade discount, and other costs, expenses and charges incidental to the delivery of the goods to the place of importation, depending on the invoice term.) + 1% handling charge on the total of all those listed in bold + adjustment (eg agency uplfit)[/b]

  thanks for the list of prices for sbst and smrt buses.
• delonchew

  7 Jan 05, 08:14

  Go ask SMRT buy TATA buses lor or better still, ask SMRT remove all the air-conditioning units in their buses.
  
  Anyway, from the list that tamago has given, it is shown that Dennis Lance UMW are one of the cheapest omnibus in Singapore yet people are still complaining. Next time when SMRT buy cheap (and inevitably, lower quality) buses, don't come here to complain, ok?
• yoongf

  7 Jan 05, 09:06

  I don't think comparing absolute prices alone is a fair comparison.
  
  A more fairer method would be based on price per carrying capacity.. $/passenger load.
• SBS3624G

  7 Jan 05, 17:00

  The SMRT buses can drive faster than their SBST counterparts.
• ^tamago^

  7 Jan 05, 18:12

  Originally posted by delonchew:

  Anyway, from the list that tamago has given, it is shown that Dennis Lance UMW are one of the cheapest omnibus in Singapore yet people are still complaining. Next time when SMRT buy cheap (and inevitably, lower quality) buses, don't come here to complain, ok?

  Anyway the UMW Lances are cheaper cos they are land-imported from Malaysia, compared with Mercedes Benz buses which are air-flown or shipped to Singapore from Germany, or the Volvo buses which come from the bus assembly plant in Sweden.
• ^tamago^

  7 Jan 05, 18:18

  Originally posted by yoongf:

  I don't think comparing absolute prices alone is a fair comparison.
  
  A more fairer method would be based on price per carrying capacity.. $/passenger load.

  You can calculate that based on the prices above. Carrying capacities are readily available. It may reveal a different insight.
  
  Absolute prices are still important as it allows you to see the greater picture and compare prices between different manufacturers. Also, carrying capacity is totally dependent on seat configuration/bodywork for the same chassis. And not all of the vehicle's carrying capacity is fully utilised at all times.
• Acx1688

  7 Jan 05, 19:32

  Eh i tot tt most of our Volvo DDs (VO3x & VSOs) & SDs are assembled locally?
  Both SMRT & SBST should take a more proactive stance in the provision of Low Floor bus, HK's KMB Golden buses is an excellent example! HK bus captains actually assist the HAndi CApped to board the bus and these buses have seat belts to prevent the wheel chair from flying!
• delonchew

  7 Jan 05, 19:35

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  Anyway the UMW Lances are cheaper cos they are land-imported from Malaysia, compared with Mercedes Benz buses which are air-flown or shipped to Singapore from Germany, or the Volvo buses which come from the bus assembly plant in Sweden.

  Point of contention in this topic is SMRT should stop buying expensive buses. So if buses come cheaper from Malaysia, SMRT should purchase buses straight from Malaysia and if so, people should not complain about Dennis Lances UMW that come from Malaysia.
• ^tamago^

  7 Jan 05, 21:18

  Originally posted by Acx1688:

  Eh i tot tt most of our Volvo DDs (VO3x & VSOs) & SDs are assembled locally?
  

  yes. I know Alexander Striders, VO3x's (Alexander R) are assembled by BA/HG. VSO i noe is locally, but i dunno if it's BA/HG as well.
  
  whether the OMV included bodywork is a thing i'm trying to find out, but based on numbers, it seems they are included. one example is the VSO 9810X bodied in Australia. it is actually cheaper than those assembled locally, for some weird reason. so those locally assembled ones must have their bodywork cost included.
  
  after all, the calculation of OMV, as defined by LTA on its website, can also be taken as the cost incurred by the foreign party in exporting the vehicle to that foreign country.
• Nou_Camp

  7 Jan 05, 22:35

  well think that smrt should not be buying those expensive buses with expensive interiors like patterned seats etc.think smrt should focus on buying buses from less expensive brands and less expensive interiors.smrt should concentrate on improving frequencies by buying more buses from less expensive brands and not less buses by buying more expensive brands.what are your views and comments on this issue?[

  truly agreed, i would rather sit and fall asleep in a non-aircon old and worn down almost empty bus than to stand on the door-step trying to squeeze and jostle around a brand-new aircon with nicely-furbished interior but crowded bus
• alantanchunshyan

  8 Jan 05, 07:19

  Originally posted by delonchew:

  Go ask SMRT buy TATA buses lor or better still, ask SMRT remove all the air-conditioning units in their buses.
  
  Anyway, from the list that tamago has given, it is shown that Dennis Lance UMW are one of the cheapest omnibus in Singapore yet people are still complaining. Next time when SMRT buy cheap (and inevitably, lower quality) buses, don't come here to complain, ok?

  will not complain if smrt buy cheaper buses.in fact i like the smrt malaysian lances and uk lances buses
• SBS3624G

  8 Jan 05, 13:51

  So you willing to tahan the ratting in the NAC mkIIs? I took 1808G on 151 from NUS to HG and I left the bus with ringings in my ears.
• alantanchunshyan

  8 Jan 05, 14:04

  Originally posted by SBS3624G:

  So you willing to tahan the ratting in the NAC mkIIs? I took 1808G on 151 from NUS to HG and I left the bus with ringings in my ears.

  malaysian lances also have unbearable sound produced when they first started operating.but after some time,i got used to it.
• ^tamago^

  9 Jan 05, 00:11

  Originally posted by alantanchunshyan:

  malaysian lances also have unbearable sound produced when they first started operating.but after some time,i got used to it.

  that is because when the buses were new, the ZF gearbox were "learning" to adapt itself to driver's driving patterns. it happens to all new buses, jus tat some don't seem obvious.
  
  nowadays, gearboxes are very high-tech, fully electronic and computerised.