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how? do they have a forum or something?Originally posted by Acx1688:As i said, bring it to NEW paper's attention & they will blow it up for u... -
It is surprising that Yew Tee residents can bear with 1 shuttle service for so many years. If Bukit Batok residents needs 2 trains transfer to go to Orchard, Yew Tee residents may need 3 transfers (2 trains and 1 bus). In factt Yew Tee residents may need at least 2 transfer to many parts of Singapore.Originally posted by cck_190:hmm...apperantly one of the yew tee residents is me....and the problem is getting worse. cck smrt buses is not doing good at managing the frequency.
I agree with you on letting sbst compete with smrt on 190, but, how can we alert this matter to the general public? by stforums? or by what?
Talk to your MP, discuss with your grassroot leaders, I believe you are not the only person frustrates with poor bus services in Yew Tee.
A little competition between 2 bus companies may synergise and result in better bus services instead.
Have you seen those empty DDs plying in CityBuzz routes? Don't you think they could be better deploy in other parts of singapore?
Have you waited for up to 20 minutes for Service 65/64 at Bencoolen, and what you need is just to make a transfer at Dhobby Ghaut, which could be reached in 15 minutes by Service 11.
Have you waited for 30minutes at Singapore Custom for service 170 to Queens Road Terminal (not Kranji MRT)? Last Friday night I had waited for up to 40 minutes, 4 buses of Service 170 (terminate at Kranji only), 3 buses of Service 160, 2 buses of Service 950, and couple of CW buses had left, and I still left standing at the Singapore Custom. In the end I am force to take Service 170 and alight at Kranji instead.
It is obvious for SBST, I would rather grab passengers from other bus companies rather than grabbing passengers from my existing routes. Why bother to improve bus frequency for Service 64/65? Why bother to put in more buses for Service 147? Why bother to ply buses from Kranji to Queens Road on a Friday night just to serve the few?
Bus companies are happy with monopolised routes, and they would probably do little to improve those routes.
Do you think SBST will implement FF147? Do you think SbSt will implement Fast Forward services that compete with NEL?
And do you think why SBST implement FF97 and FF174? They are grabbing passengers from SMRT Trains and Buses.
Given an option I will choose buses over trains. Nowadays sMRT trains are always jammed packed. I sincerely hope SMRT is aware of the deteriorating service they have been providing.
I sincerely hope that SMRT is aware that the longer train frequency and jam packed is forcing many passengers to travel by buses. And I sincerely hope that SMRT is aware that we still need more bus services to complement SMRT train services in the western part of Singapore.
And I sincerely hope that PTC is monitoring the buses services plying in Yew Tee and Sembawang. Just a connection to nearby MRT station is not sufficient. -
They will get in touch with you if they found your grudges worth reporting.Originally posted by cck_190:how? do they have a forum or something?
However you should get in touch with your MP and community leaders first, who knows they may already have a task force looking into better bus services in CCK/YT.
How's about Steve Chia, the NMP from CCK? He may be able to help too. -
EH?! Steve Chia NCMP[Non Constituency Member of Parliament] not NMP[Nominated MP] there's a vast difference. BTW NCMP carries little weight. Newpaper will run exclusive for u... Try them... u juz nd to provide them with a few examples & highlight tt with this kind of standard, SMRT still plan to increase fares?Originally posted by iamgoondu:They will get in touch with you if they found your grudges worth reporting.
However you should get in touch with your MP and community leaders first, who knows they may already have a task force looking into better bus services in CCK/YT.
How's about Steve Chia, the NMP from CCK? He may be able to help too. -
CITY buzz is a total waste of resources by SBST.
The revenue from the passengers are not enough to compensate the drivers!
Arent the relevant authority do something about it?
What the hell is the PTC or LTA doing???
do they only appears when people complain about fare hike? -
MP for my constituency is Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, Minister of Transport...not Steve ChiaOriginally posted by Acx1688:EH?! Steve Chia NCMP[Non Constituency Member of Parliament] not NMP[Nominated MP] there's a vast difference. BTW NCMP carries little weight. Newpaper will run exclusive for u... Try them... u juz nd to provide them with a few examples & highlight tt with this kind of standard, SMRT still plan to increase fares? -
MP and NMP and NCMP are not the same. An MP (not minister) receives $11k/month for allowances. A NMP earns $1.8K/month for allowances. NCMP?Originally posted by cck_190:MP for my constituency is Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, Minister of Transport...not Steve Chia
OK, so you are in Hong Kah GRC and not CCK SMC.
Someone in Braddell commented that there is no direct bus between Braddell and Marine Parade, yet they are in the same GRC.
Do you have direct bus services to Bukit Batok?
Is it a new portfolio for Yeo Cheow Tong? Earlier I still thought he is holding the health portfolio and MBT is holding the transport portfolio.
Perhaps give him some time to improve the bus services in the western part of Singapore. And hope that he is not errecting more ERP gantries in the west too. -
wow the MPs are earning so much but you cant get any help from themOriginally posted by iamgoondu:MP and NMP and NCMP are not the same. An MP (not minister) receives $11k/month for allowances. A NMP earns $1.8K/month for allowances. NCMP?
OK, so you are in Hong Kah GRC and not CCK SMC.
Someone in Braddell commented that there is no direct bus between Braddell and Marine Parade, yet they are in the same GRC.
Do you have direct bus services to Bukit Batok?
Is it a new portfolio for Yeo Cheow Tong? Earlier I still thought he is holding the health portfolio and MBT is holding the transport portfolio.
Perhaps give him some time to improve the bus services in the western part of Singapore. And hope that he is not errecting more ERP gantries in the west too.
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No, we do not have direct bus to bt batok. We have to take 307/302 to cck int and transfer to 188 or 985. BB West is 188, BB North is 985.Originally posted by iamgoondu:MP and NMP and NCMP are not the same. An MP (not minister) receives $11k/month for allowances. A NMP earns $1.8K/month for allowances. NCMP?
OK, so you are in Hong Kah GRC and not CCK SMC.
Someone in Braddell commented that there is no direct bus between Braddell and Marine Parade, yet they are in the same GRC.
Do you have direct bus services to Bukit Batok?
Is it a new portfolio for Yeo Cheow Tong? Earlier I still thought he is holding the health portfolio and MBT is holding the transport portfolio.
Perhaps give him some time to improve the bus services in the western part of Singapore. And hope that he is not errecting more ERP gantries in the west too.
To woodlands, have to take 307/302 to int and transfer to 925 which goes roun Kranji Industrial Area.
To BP, we transfer to int take lrt,975 or 190(pass by) to BP int
To Tampines, have to transfer at int and take a ridiculously long service 67 which pass through Bt timah.
To Jurong, transfer at CCK int and take 172. Travels quite far. One thing all of them have in common is...bad frequency
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If SBST is taking CCK, you would probably have buses to Kranji now. The charm of the rural singapore, poultry farms, fish farm... had drawn more people to kranji than to labrador park during weekend.Originally posted by cck_190:No, we do not have direct bus to bt batok. We have to take 307/302 to cck int and transfer to 188 or 985. BB West is 188, BB North is 985.
To woodlands, have to take 307/302 to int and transfer to 925 which goes roun Kranji Industrial Area.
To BP, we transfer to int take lrt,975 or 190(pass by) to BP int
To Tampines, have to transfer at int and take a ridiculously long service 67 which pass through Bt timah.
To Jurong, transfer at CCK int and take 172. Travels quite far. One thing all of them have in common is...bad frequency
Unless buses to labrador park is only for the recent celebrations of 600yrs of Zheng He. -
As a matter of fact, YEw Tee is damn bad.
The MP is not doing anything for the residents? for waiting to kick out in the next GE? -
Firstly, why do you want direct buses to every part of Singapore? There is the MRT as the backbone of the transport system. The bus network is just to fill up gaps in the MRT network where it is faster to take a bus than the MRT (e.g 168, 969, 965, 161)Originally posted by cck_190:No, we do not have direct bus to bt batok. We have to take 307/302 to cck int and transfer to 188 or 985. BB West is 188, BB North is 985.
To woodlands, have to take 307/302 to int and transfer to 925 which goes roun Kranji Industrial Area.
To BP, we transfer to int take lrt,975 or 190(pass by) to BP int
To Tampines, have to transfer at int and take a ridiculously long service 67 which pass through Bt timah.
To Jurong, transfer at CCK int and take 172. Travels quite far. One thing all of them have in common is...bad frequency -
You guys have trains and have little need for buses. My cousin lives in Blk 609, CCK St 62 and relies heavily on trains to get around. He frequently consults me about bus services as he is clueless about them.Originally posted by cck_190:No, we do not have direct bus to bt batok. We have to take 307/302 to cck int and transfer to 188 or 985. BB West is 188, BB North is 985.
To woodlands, have to take 307/302 to int and transfer to 925 which goes roun Kranji Industrial Area.
To BP, we transfer to int take lrt,975 or 190(pass by) to BP int
To Tampines, have to transfer at int and take a ridiculously long service 67 which pass through Bt timah.
To Jurong, transfer at CCK int and take 172. Travels quite far. One thing all of them have in common is...bad frequency -
The argument here is if Yew Tee or CCK is managed by SBST, would YT and CCK residents be able to enjoy better and more bus services.Originally posted by iveco:You guys have trains and have little need for buses. My cousin lives in Blk 609, CCK St 62 and relies heavily on trains to get around. He frequently consults me about bus services as he is clueless about them.
I am not a resident in YT or CCK, thus I am not able to justify the need of more buses in that area.
However my recent trip has found out that CCK stadium in YT is served by 1 bus service, or rather the whole of YT is accessible only by 1 shuttle bus service.
Since the taking over of BB and CCK from SBST, how many new bus services TIBS or SMRT has come out with with? Other than those previously owned bus services by SBST, TIBS/SMRT has not come out with many new services.
I did post the same question to TIBS, and was told that it was not true. They had come with SMRT970. Of course I am quick to rebut them that SMRT970 was to compensate the withdrawal of TIBS5 which has caused many unhapiness then.
Looking at Punggol and Seng Kang, changes in bus routes are more dynamic and new services are still being introduced despite the running of NEL.
It is not true that the SMRT train is everything, it's true that all parts of Singapore is accessible by SMRT train, however it may not be the quickest and most comfortable rides. If that's so, why is there still a need for SBST to come out City Buzz, Chinatown rides, Park Rides and Fast Forward?
Let's don't argue on the viability of these new initiatives. Do you think CCK is more indeed of Chinatown Rides than Clementi? Perhaps SMRT190her can have some branches to serve residents in YT, and perhaps Fast Forward (by SMRT) services for other services plying in CCK.
However, do you think SMRT is motivated to implement such new initiatives? Why would I implement FF106 or FF77 or FF75? Why would I drawn passengers from my SMRT trains? Will such initiatives generate more revenues?
The answer is obvious.
That's explain SMRT introduction of 950.
Without the SMRT trains or NEL, it is alright to have 2 bus companies to complement each other. Where both bus companies have their own turf to work on.
However with SMRT trains and NEL, and with SMRT trains covers all parts of Singapore, it is logical that SMRT would provide minimal bus services to complement her train services. And for those staying in the North-West, they are penalised for minimal bus services for their bus operator own the train services as well!
Why are there still so many bus services in Boon Lay? Despite it's a terminal SMRT train station? Do we still need those SBST bus services (other than Jurong Industrial Bus Services), if SMRT trains can access to all parts of Singapore?
I pity especially those staying in YT and Sembawang, as long as SMRT still the only bus operator in their area, they could only expect minimal bus services. As for those in BB and Woodlands, they may count themselves lucky for SBST had earlier well developed the bus networks in those areas.
So it will be a hard job for Mr Gan (Mp for Zhenghua) to improve the bus services in BP. Unless bus services is a public social service and unless bus companies are not public listed companies, his chance of getting SMRT to implement more bus services is slim. Perhaps he should try getting SBST to ply new routes into (and not terminating) his estates.
Likewise for SBST, why he ignore the changes to SBST198 or SBST196, to allow the bus services to ply along Commonwealth Ave and Alexandra (Ikea) instead? Again SBST has little motivation to make that change, she has SBST195 to ply the exclusive route, why would I bother to make change to SBST198 to grab from the same pool of passenger (and worse lose revenues to those passenger who after change need not have to make change to SBST195).
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Perhaps we could have SMRT operating only train services (NEL as well). And SBST operting only bus services (SMRTbus as well).Originally posted by supremebull:Firstly, why do you want direct buses to every part of Singapore? There is the MRT as the backbone of the transport system. The bus network is just to fill up gaps in the MRT network where it is faster to take a bus than the MRT (e.g 168, 969, 965, 161)
Alternatively, we could have SMRT giving out her bus services to a third bus company (Comfort?) . While SBST retained his buses and NEL services.
There is a conflict of interest (shareholders and passengers) for SMRT. SMRT could only provide minimal bus services to complement her train services. Minimal bus services would anger residents in the West. Implement more bus services that grab passengers from her own Train services would only anger SMRT shareholder.
If PTC really cares about providing better bus services, they should ask SMRT to let go of bus services.
(who knows sMRT may be more than willing to give up the bus services too, especially with a barrel of oil hits USD57.5) -
Empirical evidence which suggests TIBS has no interest in bus operations.
Svc 172 - from Boon Lay to Jln anak bukit (SBS Times)
cut short when TIBS took over (From Boon Lay to CCK). Dulpicate of resources from route 67. what a lame excuse. Are they saying SBS is stupid in running the previous 172 route?
Imaging people living in CCK ave 4. who wants to go to NP in clementi road.
Olden days: Take 172 to Jln anak bukit and trf to 184.75.61
2 trips in such a short distance.
Common saying, no direct bus services, a transfer is necessary.
TIBS took over: a nightmare happens,
take either 300 , 172 to CCK, tfr to 67 and tfr again to either 184.75.61
such a short distance: take people about 1hr plus. if you are damn bad luck to miss every buses at the point of transfer.
now slightly better got 975 to terminate at BP. only 2 transfers, take 75.184 but that was my poly times.
More to show you when i have thought of it. -
I noe ur MP is Yeo Cheow Tong but i wuz tryin to differentiate between MP, NCMP,NMP!Originally posted by cck_190:MP for my constituency is Mr Yeo Cheow Tong, Minister of Transport...not Steve Chia -
You are quite right in saying that without SMRT Trains and SBST NEL, it would be alright for the two companies to complement each other. Like the days before the NEL was built.Originally posted by iamgoondu:I am not a resident in YT or CCK, thus I am not able to justify the need of more buses in that area.
However my recent trip has found out that CCK stadium in YT is served by 1 bus service, or rather the whole of YT is accessible only by 1 shuttle bus service.
Since the taking over of BB and CCK from SBST, how many new bus services TIBS or SMRT has come out with with? Other than those previously owned bus services by SBST, TIBS/SMRT has not come out with many new services.
I did post the same question to TIBS, and was told that it was not true. They had come with SMRT970. Of course I am quick to rebut them that SMRT970 was to compensate the withdrawal of TIBS5 which has caused many unhapiness then.
Looking at Punggol and Seng Kang, changes in bus routes are more dynamic and new services are still being introduced despite the running of NEL.
It is not true that the SMRT train is everything, it's true that all parts of Singapore is accessible by SMRT train, however it may not be the quickest and most comfortable rides. If that's so, why is there still a need for SBST to come out City Buzz, Chinatown rides, Park Rides and Fast Forward?
Let's don't argue on the viability of these new initiatives. Do you think CCK is more indeed of Chinatown Rides than Clementi? Perhaps SMRT190her can have some branches to serve residents in YT, and perhaps Fast Forward (by SMRT) services for other services plying in CCK.
Without the SMRT trains or NEL, it is alright to have 2 bus companies to complement each other. Where both bus companies have their own turf to work on.
However with SMRT trains and NEL, and with SMRT trains covers all parts of Singapore, it is logical that SMRT would provide minimal bus services to complement her train services. And for those staying in the North-West, they are penalised for minimal bus services for their bus operator own the train services as well!
Why are there still so many bus services in Boon Lay? Despite it's a terminal SMRT train station? Do we still need those SBST bus services (other than Jurong Industrial Bus Services), if SMRT trains can access to all parts of Singapore?
I pity especially those staying in YT and Sembawang, as long as SMRT still the only bus operator in their area, they could only expect minimal bus services. As for those in BB and Woodlands, they may count themselves lucky for SBST had earlier well developed the bus networks in those areas.
So it will be a hard job for Mr Gan (Mp for Zhenghua) to improve the bus services in BP. Unless bus services is a public social service and unless bus companies are not public listed companies, his chance of getting SMRT to implement more bus services is slim. Perhaps he should try getting SBST to ply new routes into (and not terminating) his estates.
Unless there is real competition between bus companies, it may not be easy to have better bus services.
CCK definitely needs more links to other parts of Singapore, not only to Chinatown. I'm pretty sure if sbst had cck, they would have created a "Parks" service from there or FFW190. It definitely profits them alot with the recent 'hoo-hahs' about the lack of bus services to Kranji Parks.
Yes, after the transfer of bus services in 1999, nothing was happening here. No new services were introduced here except SMRT970 & 920, but yes, it's a replacement for SBS5 & SBS344. All there have been is cutting of routes.
Well, i do not blame entirely on smrt for not creating much routes at yew tee as yew tee is a dead end. the roads only lead to kranji & woodlands...but...they could take advantage of using the accesibility of the expressways there, the KJE. If they wanted, they could create a route linking CCK Int to Jurong Industrial Estate via KJE or a Singapore to JB route via there.
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Observations guys..i think our repeated complains has finalli seen effects..sv963 services appear to have been improved over the last few days though i dont know if it is due to less ppl taking the sv..
Also wan to point out then there was a inspection of sv963 on sat ard 10am coz there was this SMRT uncle sittin at the front near the driver recording each time the bus went near a bus stop..but err...last sat is a long weekend where most ppl either took off or were not workin coz of Good Friday and they took extended holidays..so hw accurate the data will be..I dont know..haha -
Why can't SMRT amend the return route of 106 to be like the former 864? Can go Suntec but cannot go home one.
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I was quite Suprised in 1999-2000 when there was the Handover of bus companies.
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there is 13 from braddell rd but it takes 40-45min to get to marine paradeOriginally posted by iamgoondu:Someone in Braddell commented that there is no direct bus between Braddell and Marine Parade, yet they are in the same GRC.
YCT was the Minister for Health and Environment before taking over the Minister for Communications and IT, and then Minister for TransportOriginally posted by iamgoondu:Is it a new portfolio for Yeo Cheow Tong? Earlier I still thought he is holding the Health portfolio and MBT is holding the transport portfolio.
Perhaps give him some time to improve the bus services in the western part of Singapore. And hope that he is not errecting more ERP gantries in the west too.
MBT was the Minister for Communications before going over to be the Minister for National Development. -
simei mrt staff si beh guai lan... met 2 of them... both also same...
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Can share with us how is your proposed route like?Originally posted by SBS9611D:Why can't SMRT amend the return route of 106 to be like the former 864? Can go Suntec but cannot go home one.
I think SMRT has no interest in the bus operations at all!
Just look at the no. of new services they intro. over the years..... -
I believe this is what he is talking about:Originally posted by phillipC:Can share with us how is your proposed route like?
I think SMRT has no interest in the bus operations at all!
Just look at the no. of new services they intro. over the years.....
Marina Centre terminal, (Raffles Blvd), (Raffles Ave), Temasek Ave, Temasek Blvd, Raffles Blvd, Temasek Ave, Raffles Ave, Stamford Rd and normal route back to BBT.
The highlighted part was served by 864 until it's merger with 84 in late 1999. If SBS hadn't won the NEL tender, we'd still be seeing these 2 services fighting head-on like 25 & 854.