Bukit Panjang Bus Services
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Someone had written to Zaobao to express her dissatisfaction on BP Bus Services.
Perhaps someone may write in for Yew Tee and Sembawang as well.
http://www.zaobao.com/yl/yl050404_502.html -
can someone please translate it to english as i dont know chinese thank youOriginally posted by iamgoondu:Someone had written to Zaobao to express her dissatisfaction on BP Bus Services.
Perhaps someone may write in for Yew Tee and Sembawang as well.
http://www.zaobao.com/yl/yl050404_502.html -
Regarding the feeder of one SMRT personnel previously. The SMRT personnel claimed that from BPJ to Toa Payoh can take LRT to CCK, followed by MRT to Toa Payoh. The reader wrote in and claimed that it is faster using 190, 700 or 960 to Stevens Rd, cross the overhead bridge and take 105 or 153.
In which, the reader also claimed that SMRT personnel should not refer BPJ residents to take LRT, or which LRT station nearest to their house, instead, they should give ways of improving their bus services there.
The reader also mentioned that one old lady told the reader's mother, the old lady would rather go to the market a few times, because she stayed quite a distance from the LRT station, and she could not handle to load of the groceries. -
I only have one thing to say, LRT sucks BIG TIME!!!!
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From Woodlands, service 960 plies Bt Panjang enroute to BKE, I don't understand why service 966 cannot.
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hmm how come last time govt decide to have lrt instead of the normal mrt line ah? the pple in those area with lrt very cham, like so inconvenient to take mrt. need to head down to town for mrt instead.
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LRT connects neighbourhoods within a town (with the exception of Bt Panjang LRT, which it connects the town with Choa Chu Kang). MRT connects the high density areas of S'pore together.Originally posted by Ice79:hmm how come last time govt decide to have lrt instead of the normal mrt line ah? the pple in those area with lrt very cham, like so inconvenient to take mrt. need to head down to town for mrt instead.
There is plan to build a MRT line (Bt Timah line) connecting Bt Panjang to the city. -
Yes.A MRT line would be good..It will revitalise the Sixth Avenue shopping area and perhaps boost the Toh Yi area too.Originally posted by tranquilice:LRT connects neighbourhoods within a town (with the exception of Bt Panjang LRT, which it connects the town with Choa Chu Kang). MRT connects the high density areas of S'pore together.
There is plan to build a MRT line (Bt Timah line) connecting Bt Panjang to the city. -
from your translation, it can be seen that SMRT staff is forced to promote their own LRT/MRT services, and not to inform commuters that there is a shorter way to get to Toa Payoh i.e which is to transfer from SMRTBus service 190, 700 or 960 to SBSTransit service 105 or 153 at Whitley Rd... cannot blame the staff as he/she is an employee of SMRT...Originally posted by PJ_Quek:Regarding the feeder of one SMRT personnel previously. The SMRT personnel claimed that from BPJ to Toa Payoh can take LRT to CCK, followed by MRT to Toa Payoh. The reader wrote in and claimed that it is faster using 190, 700 or 960 to Stevens Rd, cross the overhead bridge and take 105 or 153.
In which, the reader also claimed that SMRT personnel should not refer BPJ residents to take LRT, or which LRT station nearest to their house, instead, they should give ways of improving their bus services there.
The reader also mentioned that one old lady told the reader's mother, the old lady would rather go to the market a few times, because she stayed quite a distance from the LRT station, and she could not handle to load of the groceries.
i guess it is the same for SBSTransit... if u try SBSTransit website, and u try to plan the shortest time traveled from e.g Toa Payoh Interchange to Bukit Panjang Rd (Blk 183), u will find that the results will be either
Solution 1 - board sv 105 or 153 at Toa Payoh Central (Blk 177), alight at Whitley Rd, cross the bridge and transfer to sv 181M and alight at Blk 183... (<-- why not sv 190, 700 or 960?)
Solution 2 - board sv 143 at interchange, alight at Scotts Rd (Far East Plaza), cross over and transfer to sv 181M at Orchard MRT Station (<-- why must walk so far?)
Solution 3 - board sv 145 at interchange, alight at North Bridge Rd (St Andrew's Cathedral) and transfer to sv 181M
If you guys noticed, all involves transferring to sv 181M... and actually what is the frequency of sv 181M? on christmas eve, new year eve and CNY eve & CNY holidays itself... asking the commuter to wait long long to get to Bukit Panjang?
and none of the solutions informs the commuters to transfer to SMRT services...
It seems rather absurd, but this is the competition between the two transport companies, and we the poor commuters have to figure out the way ourselves... Sad isn't it, but again, this is Singapore...
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Originally posted by bluezombie10:
Although Sv 181M only operates on Festive, isn't it as a guide as the alt is Sv 190, 700, 960?
from your translation, it can be seen that SMRT staff is forced to promote their own LRT/MRT services, and not to inform commuters that there is a shorter way to get to Toa Payoh i.e which is to transfer from SMRTBus service 190, 700 or 960 to SBSTransit service 105 or 153 at Whitley Rd... cannot blame the staff as he/she is an employee of SMRT...
i guess it is the same for SBSTransit... if u try SBSTransit website, and u try to plan the shortest time traveled from e.g Toa Payoh Interchange to Bukit Panjang Rd (Blk 183), u will find that the results will be either
Solution 1 - board sv 105 or 153 at Toa Payoh Central (Blk 177), alight at Whitley Rd, cross the bridge and transfer to [b]sv 181M and alight at Blk 183... (<-- why not sv 190, 700 or 960?)
Solution 2 - board sv 143 at interchange, alight at Scotts Rd (Far East Plaza), cross over and transfer to sv 181M at Orchard MRT Station (<-- why must walk so far?)
Solution 3 - board sv 145 at interchange, alight at North Bridge Rd (St Andrew's Cathedral) and transfer to sv 181M
If you guys noticed, all involves transferring to sv 181M... and actually what is the frequency of sv 181M? on christmas eve, new year eve and CNY eve & CNY holidays itself... asking the commuter to wait long long to get to Bukit Panjang? and none of the solutions informs the commuters to transfer to SMRT services...
It seems rather absurd, but this is the competition between the two transport companies, and we the poor commuters have to figure out the way ourselves... Sad isn't it, but again, this is Singapore... Get the picture?[/b] -
Even SKG, with its two LRT loops, has better connectivity than BPJ. Similar case in PGL, even though the latter has no direct bus to the CBD.
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Is it true that there is no rebates when one make transfer from LRT to MRT?
How much does one pay to travel from South View to Yew Tee MRT and from Choa CHu Kang to Yew Tee MRT? -
the problem with the sbst eguide is that the database is based on their own services and not an intergrated one.
i tink transitlink site has one.. try www.transitlink.com.sg -
dunt think there is any improvement even if the complaint is made in the press. about 10 years since TIBS has taken over bukit panjang bus operations. if they want to improve, they would have done so.
bus company only know how to say, if no direct service, a transfer is necessary. -
actually i have written to SBSt to have the route of 181m running in tha days.Originally posted by sbst275:Although Sv 181M only operates on Festive, isn't it as a guide as the alt is Sv 190, 700, 960?
but the Assistant GM said that this route is a heavy duplication of route from 190,700 & 960.
They will unlikely to get the support/approval from SMRT.
one thing which puzzle me why they get the approval in the first place to run at night? isn't it the same as NR3 from SMRT! so contradicting! -
From Choa Chu Kang MRTOriginally posted by iamgoondu:Is it true that there is no rebates when one make transfer from LRT to MRT?
How much does one pay to travel from South View to Yew Tee MRT and from Choa CHu Kang to Yew Tee MRT?
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 64 64 40 80
From South View LRT
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 103 103 70 160
From Bukit Gombak
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 84 64 40 100
Why is it more expensive to travel from South View LRT to Yew Tee then from Bukit GOmbak to Yew Tee?
South View LRT is the very first LRT station from Choa Chu Kang MRT, and it is definitely very much near to Yew Tee then Bukit Gombak, yet is is much more expensive.
Since the bus companies had adjusted the bus fares for Shuttle Buses to be aligned with Trunk Services, why SMRT won't align the LRT and MRT fare?
SMRT owned both EW/NS and BPLRT, why shouldn't it make BPLRT as just an extension from EW/NS MRT?
Jurong West residents must be glad that they had the MRT extensions and not another LRT.
Can we actually have a LRT rather than a MRT for Changi Airport Line? Luckily we didn't have the LRT, else the charges would be much higher. -
MRT and LRT rides are charged separately.
From Bt Gombak to Yew Tee, passengers are charged once (84 cents by ezlink) as he only takes one mode of transport which is MRT.
However, from South View to Yew Tee, passengers are charged twice. First charge on LRT from South View to Choa Chu Kang (64 cents by ezlink), second charge on MRT from Choa Chu Kang to Yew Tee (64 cents by ezlink). Journey adds up to $1.28, minus 25 cents rebate and you get $1.03. -
sembawang worser than bt panjang only got that few bus services
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Meaning we pay twice as we transfer from LRT to MRT? Aren't the stations linked (BP1/NS4 CCK)? Is this the same story in SKG & PGL?Originally posted by tranquilice:MRT and LRT rides are charged separately.
From Bt Gombak to Yew Tee, passengers are charged once (84 cents by ezlink) as he only takes one mode of transport which is MRT.
However, from South View to Yew Tee, passengers are charged twice. First charge on LRT from South View to Choa Chu Kang (64 cents by ezlink), second charge on MRT from Choa Chu Kang to Yew Tee (64 cents by ezlink). Journey adds up to $1.28, minus 25 cents rebate and you get $1.03. -
Aiyah Ulu place is like this one, just bear with it lor
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Yes, pay twice with transfer rebate.Originally posted by iveco:Meaning we pay twice as we transfer from LRT to MRT? Aren't the stations linked (BP1/NS4 CCK)? Is this the same story in SKG & PGL?
Although BP1 and NS4 are linked, the fact is, LRT and MRT rides are charged separately.
Yes, same story in Sengkang and Punggol. An example using Adult ezlink:
NE17 Punggol - NE16 Sengkang: 74 cents
STC Sengkang - SE1 Compassvale: 64 cents
NE17 Punggol - SE1 Compassvale: $1.13
A passenger taking a MRT train from Punggol to Sengkang, then transfer to a LRT train to Compassvale, has to pay $1.13. How is this $1.13 calculated? Add 74 cents (Punggol to Sengkang) and 64 cents (Sengkang to Compassvale) and you get $1.38, there is a rebate of 25 cents and so the fare to pay is $1.13.
Get it?
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[quote]Originally posted by tranquilice:
MRT and LRT rides are charged separately.
From Bt Gombak to Yew Tee, passengers are charged once (84 cents by ezlink) as he only takes one mode of transport which is MRT.
However, from South View to Yew Tee, passengers are charged twice. First charge on LRT from South View to Choa Chu Kang (64 cents by ezlink), second charge on MRT from Choa Chu Kang to Yew Tee (64 cents by ezlink). Journey adds up to $1.28, minus 25 cents rebate and you get $1.03.[/quote
Luckily the NEL is not considered as LRT or whatever as long as it is not MRT, else we need to pay more in making transfers between NEL and EWL/NSL.
Hopefully CCL is considered as MRT.
Hopefully PTC/SMRT/SBST is not taking a cue from here, and requested for a fare alignment and make transfers between NEL/SMRT as much as BPLRT and NSL. -
Originally posted by iamgoondu:
MRT is heavy rail connecting high density areas of Singapore together. LRT is light rail connecting neighbourhoods of a HDB town together (with the exception of BPLRT, which it connects Bt Panjang to Choa Chu Kang which is another town).
Luckily the NEL is not considered as LRT or whatever as long as it is not MRT, else we need to pay more in making transfers between NEL and EWL/NSL.
Hopefully CCL is considered as MRT.
Hopefully PTC/SMRT/SBST is not taking a cue from here, and requested for a fare alignment and make transfers between NEL/SMRT as much as BPLRT and NSL.
Let hope no more LRT will be built. -
Night owl svs dun really go by area, look at Sv 162M... It goes to YishunOriginally posted by phillipC:actually i have written to SBSt to have the route of 181m running in tha days.
but the Assistant GM said that this route is a heavy duplication of route from 190,700 & 960.
They will unlikely to get the support/approval from SMRT.
one thing which puzzle me why they get the approval in the first place to run at night? isn't it the same as NR3 from SMRT! so contradicting! -
Based on the BPLRT ridership of abt 32K for a 14 (?) km line, is it viable to have heavy rail served instead?Originally posted by iamgoondu:From Choa Chu Kang MRT
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 64 64 40 80
From South View LRT
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 103 103 70 160
From Bukit Gombak
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS5] Yew Tee 84 64 40 100
Why is it more expensive to travel from South View LRT to Yew Tee then from Bukit GOmbak to Yew Tee?
South View LRT is the very first LRT station from Choa Chu Kang MRT, and it is definitely very much near to Yew Tee then Bukit Gombak, yet is is much more expensive.
Since the bus companies had adjusted the bus fares for Shuttle Buses to be aligned with Trunk Services, why SMRT won't align the LRT and MRT fare?
SMRT owned both EW/NS and BPLRT, why shouldn't it make BPLRT as just an extension from EW/NS MRT?
Jurong West residents must be glad that they had the MRT extensions and not another LRT.
Can we actually have a LRT rather than a MRT for Changi Airport Line? Luckily we didn't have the LRT, else the charges would be much higher.