Bukit Panjang Bus Services
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It's impossible convert LRT to MRT. And a waste of money, And soon the circle line is coming to the Bukit Timah area. But i think the Bukit Timah line will quite some way from Bukit Panjang area. Unless someone can advise me where the nearest Bukit Timah MRT will be? I can tell you building a LRT in the first place is a bad decision. Most singaporean don't like to transfer LRT to MRT. It's a waste time and money. I live in Bukit Panjang area and i don't take LRT to go to work or elsewhere. Bus is a cheaper and faster option. I agree that there is a need to improve the bus service here.
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I understand what is a LRT and what is a MRT.
My question was why and how a tranfer between LRT and MRT is different from transfer between MRT (SMRT) and MRT(NEL)?
Why couldn't a transfer between LRT and MRT be treated as a transfer between MRT and MRT?
Or rather why the fare structure for a transfer between MRT(SMRT) and MRT(NEL) not treated as a transfer LRT and MRT?
From Little India
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS24] Dhoby Ghaut 69 69 40 90
From Little India
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[EW12] Bugis 69 69 40 90
Shouldn't LTA propose a LRT (rather MRT) for Jurong West extension instead? Having a LRT allows the SMRT to collect more revenues. And benefit SMRT shareholders. -
The CCL station at Bukit Timah would be Adam Station. Located near SMU or entrance to botanical gardens.Originally posted by joelwinston2005:It's impossible convert LRT to MRT. And a waste of money, And soon the circle line is coming to the Bukit Timah area. But i think the Bukit Timah line will quite some way from Bukit Panjang area. Unless someone can advise me where the nearest Bukit Timah MRT will be? I can tell you building a LRT in the first place is a bad decision. Most singaporean don't like to transfer LRT to MRT. It's a waste time and money. I live in Bukit Panjang area and i don't take LRT to go to work or elsewhere. Bus is a cheaper and faster option. I agree that there is a need to improve the bus service here. -
To answer the question abt between LRT and MRT is different from transfer between MRT (SMRT) and MRT(NEL)? First MRT (SMRT) and MRT(NEL) are part of MRT network whether own by SBS transit or SMRT. Where the LRT is a total different network. Which operate part of the town area.
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I've heard of a plan to build an MRT line from CCK/BPJ down Bukit Timah to link up with the Adam Station.
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Existing LRT will remain as LRT and will never be converted to MRT.Originally posted by joelwinston2005:It's impossible convert LRT to MRT. And a waste of money, And soon the circle line is coming to the Bukit Timah area. But i think the Bukit Timah line will quite some way from Bukit Panjang area. Unless someone can advise me where the nearest Bukit Timah MRT will be? I can tell you building a LRT in the first place is a bad decision. Most singaporean don't like to transfer LRT to MRT. It's a waste time and money. I live in Bukit Panjang area and i don't take LRT to go to work or elsewhere. Bus is a cheaper and faster option. I agree that there is a need to improve the bus service here.
The underground Bt Timah MRT line is proposed to start from Bt Panjang, run under Upp Bt Timah Rd and Dunearn Rd to reach the city. Most possibly connect with Adam, Newton, Little India and Bugis stations. -
Although MRT and LRT are rail systems, they are totally different modes of public transport. A transfer betweeen NEL and EWL/NSL is treated as travelling on one mode of public transport, so passengers pay once, but a transfer between NSL and BPLRT, NEL and SKLRT/PGLRT is treated as travelling on two modes of public transport, so passengers pay twice with rebate.Originally posted by iamgoondu:I understand what is a LRT and what is a MRT.
My question was why and how a tranfer between LRT and MRT is different from transfer between MRT (SMRT) and MRT(NEL)?
Why couldn't a transfer between LRT and MRT be treated as a transfer between MRT and MRT?
Or rather why the fare structure for a transfer between MRT(SMRT) and MRT(NEL) not treated as a transfer LRT and MRT?
From Little India
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[NS24] Dhoby Ghaut 69 69 40 90
From Little India
MRT/LRT STATION EZ-LINK CARD FARE (CENTS)
ADULT SENIOR CHILD STANDARD TICKET
[EW12] Bugis 69 69 40 90
Shouldn't LTA propose a LRT (rather MRT) for Jurong West extension instead? Having a LRT allows the SMRT to collect more revenues. And benefit SMRT shareholders.
Why the Boon Lay extension is proposed as an MRT extension instead of a new LRT line, is because after Jurong West St 63, it runs to an industrial area. Having a LRT line running to an industrial area is not a viable option. -
Ya... The Bt Timah Line, but new lines have been delayed following the NEL (Unexpected lower ridership)Originally posted by LazerLordz:I've heard of a plan to build an MRT line from CCK/BPJ down Bukit Timah to link up with the Adam Station. -
Hmm.. My opinion.. Actually, people who lives in Bt Panjang should be grateful about it as compared to people living in CCK area. Simple reason:
Bus svcs (not feeder svcs) that passing through Bt Panjang (Only count the bus stops around BP Int Area) / start or ends at BP Int itself:
Svc 67 - CCK to Tampines (passing thru Upper Bt Timah, Bt Timah, HCJC, Jalan Besar, Lavender, correct me if i'm wrong cos i never take a full trip for this svc)
Svc 75 - BP to Marina Ctr (passing thru Tangln Mall, Great World City, Upper Bt Timah Rd, SGH, etc)
Svc 170 - Queen St - JB (passing thru Bugis, Bt Timah, Upper Bt Timah, Kranji, WDL Ctr Rd)
Svc 171 - Yishun to Marnia Ctr (Passing thru Orchard area, Bt Timah, Upper Bt Timah, BP, Mandai)
Svc 176 - BP to Bt Merah (passing thru Upper Bt Timah Rd, Hillview, Bt Batok, Jurong East, West Coast Rd & Highway)
Svc 177 - BP to Bt Batok (passing thru Upper Bt Timah Rd, MINDEF, Hillview)
Svc 178 - WDL to Boon Lay (passing thru BP, Bt Batok, Jurong West, etc)
Svc 180 - BP to Boon Lay (passing thru Jurong East)
Svc 184 - BP to Clementi MRT (loop svc, passing thru Upper Bt Timah area & Ngee Ann Poly)
Svc 187 - WDL to Boon Lay (passing thru BP, Bt Batok, Jurong West)
Svc 190 - CCK to New Bridge Rd (passing thru BP, Orchard area, Chinatown, Hill St)
Svc 700 - BP to Shenton Way (passing thru Orchard area, etc, cos nv take this full journey b4)
Svc 700A - BP to Suntec (loop svc, oso passing thru Orchard area, etc, cos nv take this full journey b4)
Svc 960 - WDL - Marina Ctr (passing thru BP, Bt Timah, Bugis, KK Hospital, Little India)
Svc 961 - WDL - Lor 1 Geylang (passing thru Upper Bt Timah, Queensway, Bt Timah, etc cos i nv take a full ride of this svc)
Svc 963 - WDL to WTC (passing thru BP, Upper Bt Timah, Hillview, Bt Batok, Toh Tuck Ave, Clementi, PSA Bldg, NUS/NUH)
Svc 970 - BP - Shenton Way (passing thru Upper Bt Timah, Hillview, Bt Batok, Jln Jurong Kechi, Lao Pa Sat, Great World City, Chinatown, Holland Village, Queenstown to Redhill MRT stn)
Svc 975 - BP - LCK Rd End (loop svcs, passing thru Teck Whye, CCK, Sungei Tengah Rd & LCK)
Hmm.. if can, maybe u guys here wish to list down all the svcs (excluding feeder svcs) that passes thru CCK? if possible, compare only the CCK Int and the bus stops around that area, and see whether which place more accessible ba -
For CCK, other than 975, all other services within the town centre area terminate at CCK Int.Originally posted by icydevilvic88:Hmm.. if can, maybe u guys here wish to list down all the svcs (excluding feeder svcs) that passes thru CCK? if possible, compare only the CCK Int and the bus stops around that area, and see whether which place more accessible ba
As for toa payoh, its pretty much accessible to almost everywhere in s'pore except the north. (i.e Yishun and Sembawang) Other than that, toa payoh has a direct bus to many places in singapore -
Actually, what you said is quite true. Maybe, it's because of the location of BP which is near Upp Bt road and Bt road. But if you want to travel places like Ang Mo Kio , Hougang, sengkang and Toa Payoh. We have to switch bus at Bt road. Altough the journey isn't too long. But i still feel that there is a need for direct bus to these area.
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But you left out one more bus service, which is near the ten mile plaza. Svc 160 Jurong East Int to Kotaraya II Ter.
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Bt Rd?Originally posted by joelwinston2005:Actually, what you said is quite true. Maybe, it's because of the location of BP which is near Upp Bt road and Bt road. But if you want to travel places like Ang Mo Kio , Hougang, sengkang and Toa Payoh. We have to switch bus at Bt road. Altough the journey isn't too long. But i still feel that there is a need for direct bus to these area.
Bt Panjang to Ang Mo Kio and Hougang: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to service 132.
Bt Panjang to Toa Payoh: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to services 105/153.
Bt Panjang to Sengkang: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to service 156. Or services 187/963 to Woodlands and transfer to service 161. -
seens that a transfer is necessary. but if one stays in fajar that area, it makes no sense to have such transfer due to cost and time. (as compare with taking LRT To CCK and to Toa payoh, going through a big round via Woodlands and Kranji to reach the Toa Payoh)Originally posted by tranquilice:Bt Rd?
Bt Panjang to Ang Mo Kio and Hougang: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to service 132.
Bt Panjang to Toa Payoh: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to services 105/153.
Bt Panjang to Sengkang: services 190/700/960 to Whitley Rd, cross road and transfer to service 156. Or services 187/963 to Woodlands and transfer to service 161.
for god sake, please have a direct bus services to these area lah, SMRT!
Dunt understand why having so much buses to Woodlands as well, since Bt panjang also have trains to Woodlands! All boil down to one word : accessiblity!
If according to the SMRT argument, asking people to take LRT, then shouldn't they withdraw all the bus services to Woodlands! (178 187 960 963 961) -
Ok.I have done some bus fare calculation.
BP to AMK by 960, 190, 700 : Last bus stop before expressway to first bus stop at Whitley Rd 12 stage ($1.13) + bus stop @ Blk 700B(nearest to the old AMK INT) 10.5 stage ($1.13) = $2.26
BP to AMK by 170 , 961 : Before Petir Rd to Dunearn Rd (First bus stop) 6.5 stage ($0.83) + same bus stop to bus stop @ Blk 700B 13.5 stage ($1.23) = $2.06
Save $0.20.
It is cheaper to go to Sengkang using 960, 190, 700 to whitley Rd and change to Svc 156 -
Just because these services connect Bt Panjang and Woodlands together doesn't mean they can be withdrawn. What about those passengers coming from other areas?Originally posted by phillipC:If according to the SMRT argument, asking people to take LRT, then shouldn't they withdraw all the bus services to Woodlands! (178 187 960 963 961) -
It is also $2.06 for 171 ---> 138 connection (service 171 before BKE to Mandai Rd after Mandai Lake Rd, then service 138 to Ang Mo Kio Ave 6 Blk 700B).Originally posted by joelwinston2005:Ok.I have done some bus fare calculation.
BP to AMK by 960, 190, 700 : Last bus stop before expressway to first bus stop at Whitley Rd 12 stage ($1.13) + bus stop @ Blk 700B(nearest to the old AMK INT) 10.5 stage ($1.13) = $2.26
BP to AMK by 170 , 961 : Before Petir Rd to Dunearn Rd (First bus stop) 6.5 stage ($0.83) + same bus stop to bus stop @ Blk 700B 13.5 stage ($1.23) = $2.06
Save $0.20. -
cut $0.25 each. u forgot transfer rebateOriginally posted by joelwinston2005:Ok.I have done some bus fare calculation.
BP to AMK by 960, 190, 700 : Last bus stop before expressway to first bus stop at Whitley Rd 12 stage ($1.13) + bus stop @ Blk 700B(nearest to the old AMK INT) 10.5 stage ($1.13) = $2.26
BP to AMK by 170 , 961 : Before Petir Rd to Dunearn Rd (First bus stop) 6.5 stage ($0.83) + same bus stop to bus stop @ Blk 700B 13.5 stage ($1.23) = $2.06
Save $0.20.
It is cheaper to go to Sengkang using 960, 190, 700 to whitley Rd and change to Svc 156
so its $1.81 and $2.01
the thing why smrt or sbst did not introduce a service from the north west to central singapore is because of the demand. Not many people would travel from toa payoh/amk to bt panjang/woodlands. Unless u can bring this matter up to the MP of the area with support arguments for the need of this direct service, i dont think sbst or smrt would introduce it soon. -
Should have raised it to the MPs before the takeover back in 1995. From what I noticed, SBS routes handed over to Tibs became sort of "untouchable" and Tibs-controlled estates retained most of their services, with little addition or enchancement of the route group.Originally posted by service_238:the thing why smrt or sbst did not introduce a service from the north west to central singapore is because of the demand. Not many people would travel from toa payoh/amk to bt panjang/woodlands. Unless u can bring this matter up to the MP of the area with support arguments for the need of this direct service, i dont think sbst or smrt would introduce it soon. -
Bring up the matter on the next General Election.
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Service 172 is the only service to be amended/shortened on the day of the handover.Originally posted by SBS9611D:Should have raised it to the MPs before the takeover back in 1995. From what I noticed, SBS routes handed over to Tibs became sort of "untouchable" and Tibs-controlled estates retained most of their services, with little addition or enchancement of the route group. -
There is little demand from bp to central singapore? How's that possible?Originally posted by service_238:the thing why smrt or sbst did not introduce a service from the north west to central singapore is because of the demand. Not many people would travel from toa payoh/amk to bt panjang/woodlands. Unless u can bring this matter up to the MP of the area with support arguments for the need of this direct service, i dont think sbst or smrt would introduce it soon.
Personally I would see smrt not implementing because they want bp residents to take trains, to fully utilize their mrt and lrt.
And sbst not implementing because ptc forbid them from implementing one that cut into smrt territory. -
That is now. What about pre-1995?Originally posted by iamgoondu:And sbst not implementing because ptc forbid them from implementing one that cut into smrt territory. -
1995? that's 10 years ago! Those move in 10 years ago, may already now started to work in central singapore, hahaha.Originally posted by iveco:That is now. What about pre-1995?
How many new units do you think hdb has built over the years in bp?
It may be true that there isn't sufficient demand in pre 1995, I doubt with all the new blocks and units, the demands still sufficiently low.
SBST will be more than happier to ply roads betweens bp and central singapore, then running empty dd city buzzes within central singapore. -
Looking into the map closely,
http://www.ura.gov.sg/ppd/mp2003/download/TransPlan.pdf
Both BP and YT are little enclaves bounded by reservoirs. Unless there is a road that cut through the peirce reservoirs (which is deemed impossible), else BP probably got to wait for the new BP MRT lines.