Kovan Interstate Bus Terminal opens 01/06/05
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Where do you think the 3rd link will be?Originally posted by hseochin:Seems rather strange location to me to site an outstation coach station, although i'll definitely say such a facility is long overdue in Singapore !!
Why strange ? Because with the 3rd link still NOT yet in existence, i find it quite a considerable distance to Causeway or 2nd link from Kovan !
I'll expected a more geographically centralised site instead, where people from all over Singapore can reach travelling about the same distance from their locations.
When the 3rd link materialises, then Kovan would make more sense.
Because then from Kovan the coaches travel along Upper Serangoon Road all the way to the (now) dead end where they then head to Malaysia via the 3rd link bridges from there. But that's some years from now i'll say. Maybe this time they really plan years in advance !!
What are all the operators there ? Would they all be re-located from Beach Road & Lavender Street to Kovan ??
Anyway, it's good to know finally Singapore is on the way towards having (hopefully) an outstation coach station of the same standards as the Victoria Coach Station in London in time to come !
There's no more dead end at Upp Serangoon Rd. It leads to Sengkang East Dr then to Punggol East. -
I just wonder how much it cost to migrate a town center from one location to another . So much money have been spent to bring back liveliness to kovan, but it dont seem to be working... Should kovan be left as the way it is as before?
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i think the authority will not give up tryin to make Kovan a bustling town. Kovan is very...."dead"...need more "life"....if kovan not popular, NEL will suffer....
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Most probably start from Punggol Road End, straight across into Pasir Gudang.Originally posted by tranquilice:Where do you think the 3rd link will be?
There's no more dead end at Upp Serangoon Rd. It leads to Sengkang East Dr then to Punggol East. -
So the 'original' Upper serangoon Road of 2 lanes only after the traffic light junction near the church is gone already ? Some months ago i still saw it there.
Anycase, i'll logically do a straight projection from the end of the old 2 lane Upeer Serangoon Road which should lead to the sea not far away. Somewhere there they could do a bridge link-up, possibly also with a junction with the 2 existing newer roads you mentioned.
I don't think it was planned to start from Pungol Road end, where all the seafood restaurants used to be. The concept plan appears more to suggest it as starting from Upper Serangoon Road end maybe with stopover @ Pulau Tekong before linking with Masai on Johor side. With Pasir Gudang port opposit Pungol end, where would there be space to accomodate the bridge & CIQ complex etc. ? I don't think the port would be re-sited because of the 3rd link. Too many changes then.Originally posted by PJ_Quek:Most probably start from Punggol Road End, straight across into Pasir Gudang. -
I think should be Pulau Ubin. If that's the case, the CIQ Complex for Singapore should be built on Pulau Ubin, allowing Sg cars to travel into Pulau Ubin, just like Sg cars travelling into Sentosa.Originally posted by hseochin:So the 'original' Upper serangoon Road of 2 lanes only after the traffic light junction near the church is gone already ? Some months ago i still saw it there.
Anycase, i'll logically do a straight projection from the end of the old 2 lane Upeer Serangoon Road which should lead to the sea not far away. Somewhere there they could do a bridge link-up, possibly also with a junction with the 2 existing newer roads you mentioned.
I don't think it was planned to start from Pungol Road end, where all the seafood restaurants used to be. The concept plan appears more to suggest it as starting from Upper Serangoon Road end maybe with stopover @ Pulau Tekong before linking with Masai on Johor side. With Pasir Gudang port opposit Pungol end, where would there be space to accomodate the bridge & CIQ complex etc. ? I don't think the port would be re-sited because of the 3rd link. Too many changes then.
Masai is West of Pasir Gudang, it is unlikely for the bridge to go to Pulau Ubin at the East side, followed by linking to the West side of Pasir Gudang. From Pulau Ubin, I believe that the bridge should link to Tanjong Langsat or Sungai Kim Kim instead. -
Pulau Ubin, as i momentarilly forgottened about this island near to Pulau Tekong, the more famous of the 2 !
From Ubin the bridge could link to east of Pasir Gudang as you said, Masai on the West of Pasir Gudang, then not logical to link directly with Masai.
I can forsee residential properties in Taman Rinting would be great investments in years to come ! As would those big bungalows in that region nearby. Much of Singapore's land would have been heavilly used up by then !Originally posted by PJ_Quek:I think should be Pulau Ubin. If that's the case, the CIQ Complex for Singapore should be built on Pulau Ubin, allowing Sg cars to travel into Pulau Ubin, just like Sg cars travelling into Sentosa.
Masai is West of Pasir Gudang, it is unlikely for the bridge to go to Pulau Ubin at the East side, followed by linking to the West side of Pasir Gudang. From Pulau Ubin, I believe that the bridge should link to Tanjong Langsat or Sungai Kim Kim instead. -
Doesn't Upp Serangoon Rd lead into SKG town and connect with PGL East? Svc 62 uses that route.Originally posted by hseochin:Seems rather strange location to me to site an outstation coach station, although i'll definitely say such a facility is long overdue in Singapore !!
Why strange ? Because with the 3rd link still NOT yet in existence, i find it quite a considerable distance to Causeway or 2nd link from Kovan !
I'll expected a more geographically centralised site instead, where people from all over Singapore can reach travelling about the same distance from their locations.
When the 3rd link materialises, then Kovan would make more sense.
Because then from Kovan the coaches travel along Upper Serangoon Road all the way to the (now) dead end where they then head to Malaysia via the 3rd link bridges from there. But that's some years from now i'll say. Maybe this time they really plan years in advance !!
What are all the operators there ? Would they all be re-located from Beach Road & Lavender Street to Kovan ??
Anyway, it's good to know finally Singapore is on the way towards having (hopefully) an outstation coach station of the same standards as the Victoria Coach Station in London in time to come ! -
The stretch of Upp Serangoon Rd after Hougang Ave 7/Ave 8 now leads to Sengkang and Punggol. Service 136 is the first service to ply this new stretch in 2000. In the past, Upp Serangoon terminal was located here (near the dead end) until 1994 when the services were relocated to Hougang Central interchange.Originally posted by hseochin:So the 'original' Upper serangoon Road of 2 lanes only after the traffic light junction near the church is gone already ? Some months ago i still saw it there. -
And service 136 too.Originally posted by iveco:Doesn't Upp Serangoon Rd lead into SKG town and connect with PGL East? Svc 62 uses that route. -
Anyone has photos of Upper Serangoon bus terminal?Originally posted by tranquilice:The stretch of Upp Serangoon Rd after Hougang Ave 7/Ave 8 now leads to Sengkang and Punggol. Service 136 is the first service to ply this new stretch in 2000. In the past, Upp Serangoon terminal was located here (near the dead end) until 1994 when the services were relocated to Hougang Central interchange. -
Currently the crime rates of Tmn Rinting, Bandar Seri Alam, Tmn Megah Ria are not that satisfactory.Originally posted by hseochin:Pulau Ubin, as i momentarilly forgottened about this island near to Pulau Tekong, the more famous of the 2 !
From Ubin the bridge could link to east of Pasir Gudang as you said, Masai on the West of Pasir Gudang, then not logical to link directly with Masai.
I can forsee residential properties in Taman Rinting would be great investments in years to come ! As would those big bungalows in that region nearby. Much of Singapore's land would have been heavilly used up by then !
Even if Sg's land used up, MY side still haven't much developed, places like Tg. Langsat, P. Gudang, Seri Alam, Masai, Scientex, Kota Masai, Cendana etc.
However, it will be very convenient using 3rd link, once the bridge across the Sg. Johor is completed, by then, Punggol to Desaru will only take 45 minutes. -
This issue of crime rates i'll consider as 'subjective' in nature, not to be measured in absolute terms, which many people would over simplistically prefer to see it from !! My way of looking @ it is that as Malaysia is so many times larger with so many times more people than Singapore then of course if you hear of more murders, robberies, kidnaps etc., that to me does NOT make it any less 'safe' there & neither does that offer me any 'consolation' that Singapore appears any 'safer', which in reality i personally do NOT think so anyway ! Put it @ 30 murders per year in Singapore even there's 100 per year in Malaysia that to me need NOT suggest it's worse there or better here, unless both Malaysia & Singapore are exactly the same size & population.
Newspapers there & here like to write on almost every minute incident, blow it up in all wild imaginable ways to boost their circulation, to scare the timid etc. & many here would almost then 'console' themselves & think they are 'safer' here. For me, i'm in Malaysia almost as often as i'm in Singapore & have been having residential properties in both Johor Baru & Singapore for many years & to me, i find this 'crime rate' thing in reality not very different whether there or in Singapore !! I find that many people from Singapore if they don't know Malaysia better or have not been there long enough tend to harbour quite a lot of negative perceptions (some real but much not real or unproven) about almost anything from there. They like to think that because it's Malaysia there must be something up to 'no good' or inferior etc. Some things are true but some things from there can be as good if not better than in Singapore !
There's still plenty of lousy junk buses in Malaysia but the newest ones there like those i've mentioned in JB, can be so new in design & model that no operator in Singapore has yet upgraded to !!
The crime rates whether in JB or KL or Singapore would to me always never be satisfactory, simply because everybody wants perfection in such issues, which is understandable by human nature ! From personal experiences i find the overall situation managable enough to get by, which is good enough for me !
Malaysia is so many times larger than Singapore that it'll almost always appear to have not developed 'much', looking from Singapore ! But i'll not under estimate their potential so although 'progress' may appear slow seeing from this side, i can expect to see e.g. their new CIQ complex ready, integrated with their new light rail system (similar model like the present KL Sentral station) which runs from Taman University across to Masai possibly little further east later. I'll also be harder to find freehold houses with land in localities near to JB city centre & the other 2 links to Singapore. The bungalows in Seri Alam i'll see these in the next 1 to 2 decades to become the
'district 10' of housing estates in JB !
In short, i'll NOT under estimate their potential for development & improvements. It's already happening, but perhaps starting up @ too slow a pace for anyone to take notice.Originally posted by PJ_Quek:Currently the crime rates of Tmn Rinting, Bandar Seri Alam, Tmn Megah Ria are not that satisfactory.
Even if Sg's land used up, MY side still haven't much developed, places like Tg. Langsat, P. Gudang, Seri Alam, Masai, Scientex, Kota Masai, Cendana etc.
However, it will be very convenient using 3rd link, once the bridge across the Sg. Johor is completed, by then, Punggol to Desaru will only take 45 minutes.