Public Transport Council approves fare increases for trains
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This is what is going on
For buses:
FS 1 - 4: Up 1 cent
Rest: Up 2 cents
Cash: Up 10 cents across the board
MRT/ LRT
Up to 3.2km: 1 cent increase
3.2km - 14.4km: 2 cents increase
14.4km onwards: 3 cents increase
Feeder/ Townlink
Up 1 cent Card
Up 10 cents Cash
JIS
Follow the trunk fare structure, for 1st 5 fare band
Express Svs
Card: Up 3 cents
Cash: No changes -
if workplace like mine, got showers, it can be exercise
a very very healthy workforce
still, the question remains unanswered...
why is it that the bus companies get to increase fares when their profits are so very healthy?Originally posted by shinta:i'd cycle if i'm livin around newton or orchard
otherwise, it's so much faster takin a train..
i'd sweat as much tho.. with this kinda crazy weather
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As for Sv 160, the frequency that one is unstable... Svs using Causeway, frequency unstable one all thks to SG side for the security checksOriginally posted by the Bear:thing is... most of the time, i'm going to work when i take the bus...
the buses take 1 hour and 20 minutes to get me to work (one way).. if i take a car it takes me 17 minutes...
so, how come bus services get like that? oh.. before you ask, if i use the very way the buses take to get to work, i would take 23 minutes.. i've timed it already...
but all this is moot.. still want to know how come the bus companies need to keep gouging the citizens when they have insanely high profits? -
question for the insider.. how many trips per day does SBST register?
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It is not for insider, it is stated at SBS's siteOriginally posted by the Bear:question for the insider.. how many trips per day does SBST register?
Avg is abt 2.1 - 2.2 million a day -
it's stable enough...
the thing is that the drivers don't drive sensibly.. probably because of an insane schedule they have to keep...
this may just be tied to mismanagement??
but who cares right now.. i had no problems whatsoever..
if i took the trains and then the bus, whatever bus it is at Kranji, it takes me about 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes anyway...
so it's not about the frequency
again, this is arguing the nitty-gritty...
the question remains unanswered... why is it that the companies insist on increasing their fares when they are posting more than healthy profits?Originally posted by sbst275:As for Sv 160, the frequency that one is unstable... Svs using Causeway, frequency unstable one all thks to SG side for the security checks -
Dun try and protect the Checkpoints... The jam stretch back to as far as bef the JB checkpoint... Aft the JB chkpt, the bus and car share 1 lane...Originally posted by the Bear:it's stable enough...
the thing is that the drivers don't drive sensibly.. probably because of an insane schedule they have to keep...
this may just be tied to mismanagement??
but who cares right now.. i had no problems whatsoever..
if i took the trains and then the bus, whatever bus it is at Kranji, it takes me about 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes anyway...
so it's not about the frequency
again, this is arguing the nitty-gritty...
the question remains unanswered... why is it that the companies insist on increasing their fares when they are posting more than healthy profits? -
2 million, multiplied by average 1.5 cents increase = $30,000 per day in increased revenue
multiply that by 365 days = $10,950,000
yearly revenue just increased by that much...
no additional outlay.. that's pure pre-tax profit right?
i'm in the wrong racketOriginally posted by sbst275:It is not for insider, it is stated at SBS's site
Avg is abt 2.1 - 2.2 million a day -
Yah... But disel cost went up by 16 million...Originally posted by the Bear:2 million, multiplied by average 1.5 cents increase = $30,000 per day in increased revenue
multiply that by 365 days = $10,950,000
yearly revenue just increased by that much...
no additional outlay.. that's pure pre-tax profit right?
i'm in the wrong racket -
i ain't.. i don't really care about them jams
coz ultimately, when a bus comes through for me to go home, a bus comes for me to get home
again.. deviating.. and.. question remains unanswered...
please answer that question? because this is what this thread is all about...Originally posted by sbst275:Dun try and protect the Checkpoints... The jam stretch back to as far as bef the JB checkpoint... Aft the JB chkpt, the bus and car share 1 lane... -
so.. if it went up, where did that profit come from?
again, this is pure profit..
question remains unanswered...Originally posted by sbst275:Yah... But disel cost went up by 16 million... -
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As i observe, they get the priorities wrong !
To really make meaningful sense, the fares have to reflect the level of 'doorstep-ness' & comfort & convinence levels offered to commutors, besides the issues of travelling times !
Taking the car (hence taxi) as the ultimate form of personal transport (since it excels in most if not all of the above qualities !) then logically it'll have to cost the most to use it. Therefore i've no issue with taxi fares being much higher than bus or train fares.
Next down the line of personal transport appeal would have to be the bus (minibuses too) BEFORE the train, since it's well known by now that train travel tend to involve plenty of walking up & down in & out of stations, with lower chances of getting any seat & even if there's a seat, it's a hard seat instead of a more normal car-like seat with cushioning etc. !! Furthermore, trains do NOT tend to offer doorstep-like levels of service as well as the bus or taxi can (in that order) !
Therefore taking all these factors into consideration, it's only perfectly logical that train fares HAVE to be priced cheaper than bus fares, NOT the same level (they simply don't deserve that level of 'status') & most sensibly NOT MORE than bus fares !!!!
As a commutor, i'm not interested to know if it really costs more to operate a train service due to any higher overheads from infrastructure &/or equipment costs etc., especially when you have the situation nowadays whereby the same operator who runs bus services ALSO runs train services ! I expect them to price their bus & train fares such that the bus revenue HAVE to generate higher profits (than train revenue) to cover any losses or lower profits from the train operations. That's because the social costs (due to traffic congestion, vehicle exhaust & noise pollutions etc.) of operating the bus services may be higher compared to trains but infrastructural & equipment costs of bus operations tends to be lower than for trains, thereby also a factor (besides what i've mentioned in the paragraphs above !) which can & have to result in higher profits for bus operations compared to train operations !Originally posted by thinker:
SINGAPORE : The Public Transport Council has approved fare increases for trains and buses from [b]July.
Bus and train fares can go up by 10 cents across the board. This is if commuters pay cash.
However, if they use ez-link link cards, fares will increase by one to two cents for buses and one to three cents for trains.
Student fares and prices of student and NS men concession passes will not be increased.
Senior citizens will, however, be affected by this increase.
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really dont know y PTC approves ..... the service never improve at all ... still demand us to pay more ....... haiz
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That's why, you dun care... So when bus delayed by jam, your dun believe... Bo chapOriginally posted by the Bear:i ain't.. i don't really care about them jams
coz ultimately, when a bus comes through for me to go home, a bus comes for me to get home
again.. deviating.. and.. question remains unanswered...
please answer that question? because this is what this thread is all about...
High profits?? You sure or not? HK KMB profit margin even higher... And, go take a look... Many bus svs high demand yet uses NAC buses, weekend demand very low then have aircon buses... If it was opp, I would agree that it has high profit -
we are NOT living there...
we are NOT in HK...
the question remains unanswered.. try not to dodge the question:
why is it that the companies posting such strong profits see fit to ask and get fare increases?
please answer that question..Originally posted by sbst275:That's why, you dun care... So when bus delayed by jam, your dun believe... Bo chap
High profits?? You sure or not? HK KMB profit margin even higher... And, go take a look... Many bus svs high demand yet uses NAC buses, weekend demand very low then have aircon buses... If it was opp, I would agree that it has high profit -
And oh ya... How to deal with bus co getting extra fares?
Got overloaded buses, say carrying 15 more ppl than it is allowed? -
Because your like to compare how cheap is things at other countries... Like your like to say, rather stay in MY, things cheaper...Originally posted by the Bear:we are NOT living there...
we are NOT in HK...
the question remains unanswered.. try not to dodge the question:
why is it that the companies posting such strong profits see fit to ask and get fare increases?
please answer that question..
And anyway... Strong profits? Revenue went down and had to retrench ppl just to keep staff cost low still called strong profit? -
what are you trying to say??
again, you've posted something without answering the question...Originally posted by sbst275:And oh ya... How to deal with bus co getting extra fares?
Got overloaded buses, say carrying 15 more ppl than it is allowed? -
How old are you? Till now and with so many past records, you still don't realise how the gov work? Do you think they are consultative or authoritative? Think you should read up more "explanation" given by them for past issues and records of increment.Originally posted by meltz:really dont know y PTC approves ..... the service never improve at all ... still demand us to pay more ....... haiz -
WHY ARE YOU ASKING ABT THE QUESTON WHEN I AM THE ONE ASKING?Originally posted by the Bear:what are you trying to say??
again, you've posted something without answering the question...
I am saying, you should go complain that there are overloaded buses... Licensed to carry 80 ppl yet carrying 95, that 15 extras are paying -
this makes for even sicker reading now...
the company would rather retrench people than lose that $40million+ profit...
a $40million+ profit is not exactly unhealthy...
make up your mind...
seriously.. take your stand.. is the $40million+ profit = fare increase = retrench people?
the company is getting more and more insane each time you post...Originally posted by sbst275:Because your like to compare how cheap is things at other countries... Like your like to say, rather stay in MY, things cheaper...
And anyway... Strong profits? Revenue went down and had to retrench ppl just to keep staff cost low still called strong profit? -
If anyone is not happy with the high proits, then go buy their share
As for high profits.. I am sorry, there are many other bus operators that have even higher profit margin than here -
Bear... It is healthy profits? Then why they need to take bank loan to buy buses?Originally posted by the Bear:this makes for even sicker reading now...
the company would rather retrench people than lose that $40million+ profit...
a $40million+ profit is not exactly unhealthy...
make up your mind...
seriously.. take your stand.. is the $40million+ profit = fare increase = retrench people?
the company is getting more and more insane each time you post... -
Hey guys... Does it make any point in discussing over this issue? It is confirmed and such increment will follow in years to come... Make your own judgement and be prepared for the next increment to come...
