Upper East Coast 48 Buona Vista (New Service)
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I would perfer if 48 stops right outside Bugis Junction. So from Rochor Rd, the bus can turn into North Bridge Rd (Bugis Junction), Stamford Rd, Prinsep St, Selegie Rd, then Bt Timah Rd. On the way back bus can turn from Bt Timah Rd into Bencoolen St, Victoria St (Bugis Junction), Ophir Rd then ECP. Think more people will take it too, though I agree it is quite a detour, as opposed to going straight along Rochor Rd.
I would also prefer the bus to go along 6th Ave, then to Holland V. I dunno whether it is a feasible idea to extend to NUS (Kent Ridge), since the frequencies of 95 and 48 are quite different. Unless there can be something like 48A that plies from Buona Vista to Kent Ridge. -
Since there is interest in Bedok South Ave 1, I have taken the time to read up:Originally posted by iveco:BDK Sth Ave 1 is a rather long road as it connects BDK central with ECP. Similarly BDK Nth Rd extends to Tampines. As for Svc 229, it does not call at BDK Sth Ave 1, but Ave 3.
Tampines Rd links TAM/PSR with HGN via PLAB rear entrance. Jurong Rd used to extend up to Bt Timah. Woodlands Rd stretches from the Causeway down to BPJ area. Part of AMK Ave 3 belongs to S'goon town. Only a small portion of these roads belong to the area they are named after.
The Service 229 route goes through Bedok South Road first, then Bedok South Ave 3.
Between Bedok South Road and Bedok South Ave 3, there are these stops:
1. Panasonic (Matsushita)
Address: 202 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469332
2. Fujitec Singapore Ltd.
Address: 204 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469333
3. Opp. Temasek JC
4. Lion Home for Elders
5. Blk 40
Note Stops 1 and 2. Iveco is right about SBST 229 passing through Bedok South Ave. 3, but he is incorrect in saying that SBST 229 does not call at Bedok South Ave 1. -
I would perfer if 48 stops right outside Bugis Junction. So from Rochor Rd, the bus can turn into North Bridge Rd (Bugis Junction), Stamford Rd, Prinsep St, Selegie Rd, then Bt Timah Rd. On the way back bus can turn from Bt Timah Rd into Bencoolen St, Victoria St (Bugis Junction), Ophir Rd then ECP. Think more people will take it too, though I agree it is quite a detour, as opposed to going straight along Rochor Rd.
I think it is not a good idea. Passengers want fast and direct bus service. If the route has many detours, passengers have to pay more on thier bus fare for getting to one place to another.
I would also prefer the bus to go along 6th Ave, then to Holland V. I dunno whether it is a feasible idea to extend to NUS (Kent Ridge), since the frequencies of 95 and 48 are quite different. Unless there can be something like 48A that plies from Buona Vista to Kent Ridge.
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I would prefer SBST48 to go along 6th Ave rather than Farrer Road as well. That's would patch up the missing link between Bukit Timah/Dunearn and Holland V.Originally posted by loudmonkey:I would also prefer the bus to go along 6th Ave, then to Holland V. I dunno whether it is a feasible idea to extend to NUS (Kent Ridge), since the frequencies of 95 and 48 are quite different. Unless there can be something like 48A that plies from Buona Vista to Kent Ridge.
As for extending to Kent Ridge, how's about via Commonwealth Ave West and Clementi Road? That's would provide a new link between Dover MRT and NUS. -
A very good example is SBST74. Imagine travel to NJC from Holland V by SBST74.Originally posted by payne:I think it is not a good idea. Passengers want fast and direct bus service. If the route has many detours, passengers have to pay more on thier bus fare for getting to one place to another. 
However travel to NJC via 6th Ave from Holland V may not be considered detour as that's probably the shortest option. -
Originally posted by demag_ac:
Nothing to do with man made structure...
Huh? Which part to be exact?
From LTA's website, I downloaded this article which gives the exact height measurement of all overhead structures (up to 2002 I think). All current structures to be built must have a height Clearance of 5.4 metres.
From the article:-
{
D-GAN - Directional Gantries
EMAS - EMAS Gantries
ERP - ERP Gantries
FLY - Flyovers
H-GAN - Height Gantries
KTM - KTM Railway Bridges
LINK - Overhead Linkways
LRT - LRT Viaducts
MRT - MRT Viaducts
POB - Pedestrian Overhead Bridges
VUP - Vehicle Underpasses
The maximum headroom measurements in the list are actual heights of the
overhead structures measured from the road surface to the lowest point of the
underside of the structure. The lowest point of each structure is marked by a
red triangle on the underside of the structure.
}
In the table(extracted below), the height limits are:-
Dunearn Road - To City / (Farrer Flyover) FLY [b]6.0m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road - To Farrer Road / (Farrer Flyover) FLY 5.3m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Adam Road (Dunearn Underpass) VUP 5.4m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Barker Road POB 5.8m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Blackmore Drive / Sime Darby Centre POB 5.4m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Coronation Plaza POB 5.5m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Goldhill Avenue POB 5.6m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Hillcrest Road POB 5.9m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / In front Hwa Chong Junior College POB 5.3m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / in front Swiss Cottage School POB 5.4m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Jalan Jambu Ayer POB 5.0m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Namly Avenue POB 6.1m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Near Rifle Range Road / KTM KTM 4.5m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Newton Circus (Newton Flyover) FLY 5.0m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Rifle Range Road POB 4.9m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Swiss Club Road POB 5.1m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Turf Club Rd H-GAN 4.5m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road / Turf Club Road POB 4.6m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road at Wayang Satu Flyover ERP 6.0m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road before Whitley Road Junction ERP 6.0m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road beside LP 151 / Mobil Station D-GAN 5.1m 26/09/03
Dunearn Road near Watten Drive / to city D-GAN 5.5m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road - To Adam Road / (Farrer Flyover) FLY 5.4m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road - To Woodlands / (Farrer Flyover) FLY 6.3m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Barker Road POB 7.2m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Blackmore Drive / Sime Darby Centre POB 5.4m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Coronation Plaza POB 5.5m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Farrer Road (Bukit Timah Underpass) VUP 5.3m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Fourth Ave H-GAN 4.5m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Goldhill Avenue POB 6.4m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Hillcrest Road POB 5.3m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / In front Hwa Chong Junior College POB 5.4m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / in front Swiss Cottage School POB 5.4m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Jalan Jambu Ayer POB 5.0m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / KK Hospital POB 5.7m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / LP 135 near Kheam Hock Road D-GAN 5.5m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / LP 55 near Shell Station D-GAN 5.2m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Namly Avenue POB 5.3m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Near Rifle Range Road / KTM KTM 4.5m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Newton Circus (Newton Flyover) FLY 5.0m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Rifle Range Road POB 5.1m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Swiss Club Road POB 5.1m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Turf Club Road POB 4.9m 26/09/03
Bukit Timah Road / Winstedt Road POB 5.3m 26/09/03
I have bold the height limit for easier reading. Sorry for the layout, I copy and paste from pdf document.
From here, the lowest is KTM railway and Turf Club road gantry at 4.5m, which is at Clementi road and Sixth Ave respectively.
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Dun ever believe the loading fig..Originally posted by muziq bus:Got height restrictions?.....but when i wrote to SBS Transit to consider adding DDs on 66......they replied that the passenger capacity is only 65 to 84%....they never replied with the excuse of having height restrictions along Bt Timah leh....
And, Tran has said... Your drive or travel along that particular stretch of Dunearn Rd and notice the trees -
my legs long mah...Originally posted by tranquilice:5 minutes walk from Bugis Junction to Bras Basah Rd?
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Eh from Marine Parade to Bugis, there's sv197.Originally posted by loudmonkey:I would perfer if 48 stops right outside Bugis Junction. So from Rochor Rd, the bus can turn into North Bridge Rd (Bugis Junction), Stamford Rd, Prinsep St, Selegie Rd, then Bt Timah Rd. On the way back bus can turn from Bt Timah Rd into Bencoolen St, Victoria St (Bugis Junction), Ophir Rd then ECP. Think more people will take it too, though I agree it is quite a detour, as opposed to going straight along Rochor Rd.
I would also prefer the bus to go along 6th Ave, then to Holland V. I dunno whether it is a feasible idea to extend to NUS (Kent Ridge), since the frequencies of 95 and 48 are quite different. Unless there can be something like 48A that plies from Buona Vista to Kent Ridge.
From MArine Parade to Stamford Rd, ther's sv36 & Prinsep St to Bt Timah Rd[partial] sv166 -
Thanks for the clarification.Originally posted by tranquilice:I'm inclined to think that the height restriction along Dunearn Rd/Bt Timah Rd (between Whitley Rd and Newton Circus) is due to the low tree branches.
Another similar case is Henderson Rd (between Bt Merah Central and Telok Blangah Rd), all the overhead bridges are at least 4.5m but all the SBST services plying that stretch are using SDs. -
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kudos to SBSt for taking action on one of our fantasy routes posted by one of us in other forums
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kudos to SBSt for taking action on one of our fantasy routes posted by one of us in other forums
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I live at Bedok South Road, and takes Service 229 twice a day, 6 days a week to go to work. And no, Service 229 does not call at Bedok South Ave 1.Originally posted by NineGrains:Since there is interest in Bedok South Ave 1, I have taken the time to read up:
The Service 229 route goes through Bedok South Road first, then Bedok South Ave 3.
Between Bedok South Road and Bedok South Ave 3, there are these stops:
1. Panasonic (Matsushita)
Address: 202 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469332
2. Fujitec Singapore Ltd.
Address: 204 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469333
3. Opp. Temasek JC
4. Lion Home for Elders
5. Blk 40
Note Stops 1 and 2. Iveco is right about SBST 229 passing through Bedok South Ave. 3, but he is incorrect in saying that SBST 229 does not call at Bedok South Ave 1.
FYI, the route is as follows;
Bedok Interchange, Chai Chee St, Chai Chee Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Bedok South Rd, Bedok South Ave 3, Upp East Coast Rd, Bedok South Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Chai Chee Rd, Chai Chee St, Bedok Interchange.
FYI again, the address for the Lions Home For The Elders is: 487 Bedok South Avenue 2
Does that mean Service 229 calls at Bedok South Ave 2? No.
The address of the landmarks does not determine anything with regards to the route of the service, in this case. The only services that calls at bus stops along Bedok South Ave 1 is SBST 12, 31, 196, 197, SMRT 853 and CSS 608.
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Service 48 as the 3rd service to go up the Sheares Bridge!
Hope they supply superbuses in time to come. So cool! -
Fourth to be exact - SBST 30, 36 and Express 518.Originally posted by mercedes_hispano:Service 48 as the 3rd service to go up the Sheares Bridge! Hope they supply superbuses in time to come. So cool! -
You define 4 to 5 km as close to Bedok Town Centre but I don't.Originally posted by NineGrains:Actually, Bedok South Ave 1 is pretty close to Bedok Central and Bedok Interchange. It is about 4 to 5 km away from the town centre. It is, in fact, also served by Bedok feeder service SBST 229. The street directory also lists residential estates there as part of the Bedok neighbourhood, example by labelling it as "HDB-Bedok."
It is also true that Bedok South Ave 1 links to East Coast/ECP as my@jas pointed out, but officially the route SBST 48 passes through is still listed as part of Bedok South Ave. 1
Service 229 does not go to Bedok South Ave 1.
I repeat, the stretch of Bedok South Ave 1 between Marine Parade Rd and Upp East Coast Rd, which services 31, 48, 196, 197 and 853 pass thru, is not in Bedok Town. That's called Upper East Coast. -
These companies addresses are along Bedok South Ave 1 doesn't mean service 229 ply Bedok South Ave 1!Originally posted by NineGrains:Since there is interest in Bedok South Ave 1, I have taken the time to read up:
The Service 229 route goes through Bedok South Road first, then Bedok South Ave 3.
Between Bedok South Road and Bedok South Ave 3, there are these stops:
1. Panasonic (Matsushita)
Address: 202 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469332
2. Fujitec Singapore Ltd.
Address: 204 Bedok South Avenue 1 (S)469333
Note Stops 1 and 2. Iveco is right about SBST 229 passing through Bedok South Ave. 3, but he is incorrect in saying that SBST 229 does not call at Bedok South Ave 1.
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Originally posted by demag_ac:Thanks for the clarification.
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Please read the previous posts why DDs cannot be used.Originally posted by mercedes_hispano:Service 48 as the 3rd service to go up the Sheares Bridge! Hope they supply superbuses in time to come. So cool! -
I suggest service 48 to serve Bedok South via Bedok South Ave 3, Bedok South Rd and Bedok South Ave 1, as currently there's no direct link to Marine Parade from Bedok South (housing estate area). I doubt many passengers will take service 48 along Upp East Coast Rd.
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Far from being closed, one is presented with an interesting conundrum. The official address, the street directories all indicate that the buildings Panasonic and Fujitec are in Bedok South Ave 1. But the bus stops located just outside the compounds cannot possibly be in Bedok South Ave 1, insist the detractors Superbus and Tranquilice.Originally posted by Superbus:I live at Bedok South Road, and takes Service 229 twice a day, 6 days a week to go to work. And no, Service 229 does not call at Bedok South Ave 1.
FYI, the route is as follows; Bedok Interchange, Chai Chee St, Chai Chee Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Bedok South Rd, Bedok South Ave 3, Upp East Coast Rd, Bedok South Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Chai Chee Rd, Chai Chee St, Bedok Interchange.
FYI again, the address for the Lions Home For The Elders is: 487 Bedok South Avenue 2
Does that mean Service 229 calls at Bedok South Ave 2? No.
The address of the landmarks does not determine anything with regards to the route of the service, in this case. The only services that calls at bus stops along Bedok South Ave 1 is SBST 12, 31, 196, 197, SMRT 853 and CSS 608.
Case closed.
So I guess if one steps into those buildings, one is in Bedok South Ave 1, and if one steps out of the building, one is in Bedok South only. There must be an invisible demarcation separating Bedok South Ave 1 and Bedok South, and Fujitec and Panasonic are built on it. That appears to be the only logical explanation.
I cannot think of any alternative that is logical to say about the Lions Home located in Bedok South Ave. 2. According to Superbus, even though the address is Bedok South Ave 2, and SBST229 calls at the stop outside the Lions Home, SBST229 still does NOT go to Bedok South Ave 2. Instead, SBST229 only goes to the Lions Home, nevermind what the address is. Very logical.
So if anyone wishes to take a taxi/bus to the Lions Home, avoid telling the driver it is located at Bedok South Ave 2, despite that being its official address in the street directory. What is one to say then? Gawd knows, but if you wish not to piss off Superbus, you know what NOT to say. -
Does anyone see the ironies here or is it just me? So the ‘stretch of Bedok South Ave 1’ is not in Bedok Town even though the street directory labels all residential estates there as part of Bedok, example ‘HDB-Bedok’.Originally posted by tranquilice:You define 4 to 5 km as close to Bedok Town Centre but I don't.
Service 229 does not go to Bedok South Ave 1.
I repeat, the stretch of Bedok South Ave 1 between Marine Parade Rd and Upp East Coast Rd, which services 31, 48, 196, 197 and 853 pass thru, is not in Bedok Town. That's called Upper East Coast.
I guess your authority over SingaporeÂ’s topography is greater than that of the government authorities, and the people/town planners who are involved in creating maps.
So the ‘stretch of Bedok South Ave 1’ is…. called Upper East Coast. This particular stretch….why do you refer to it as ‘that stretch of Bedok South Ave 1’ then?
And if itÂ’s called Upper East Coast, is this reflected in the street directory?
Is it just you who calls it Upper East Coast? Or should the rest of Singapore follow your example, nevermind what the street directory labels that ‘stretch of…err.…road’.
As for whether you think 4-5km is considered a long OR short distanceÂ…Â…well, everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess. Purely subjective.
Some people think walking 100 metres to their neighbourhood 7-11 is far, or that a destination only one bus stop away is VERY far. So what I can say?
Does SBST229 pass by Bedok South Ave 1? See my reply to Superbus above to avoid repetition.
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If that's the case, the route planners of SBST must have made a fatal mistake not to include Bedok South Ave 1 in the routes of SBST 38 and 229.
Hmmm, maybe SBST, SMRTB or Transitlink should only use lampposts ID nos as landmark indicators instead of using buildings whose addresses are sometimes not along the route of the bus services.
First time I've heard this case being brought up. I just don't know whether to laugh at this or what.
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Which comes to mind roads such as Changi Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Tampines Rd, Punggol Rd, Kallang Rd, Commonwealth Ave/West and even the expressways!Originally posted by NineGrains:So the ‘stretch of Bedok South Ave 1’ is…. called Upper East Coast. This particular stretch….why do you refer to it as ‘that stretch of Bedok South Ave 1’ then?
And if itÂ’s called Upper East Coast, is this reflected in the street directory?
Is it just you who calls it Upper East Coast? Or should the rest of Singapore follow your example, nevermind what the street directory labels that ‘stretch of…err.…road’.
Does Changi Rd necessarily be at Changi? I can be near Telok Kurau even if I'm along Changi Rd.
Does Tampines Rd necessarily be at Tampines? I can be near Upp Serangoon even if I'm along Tampines Rd.
Does Punggol Rd necessarily be at Punggol? I can be at Sengkang even if I'm along Punggol Rd.
Does Kallang Rd necessarily be at Kallang? I can be near Lavender MRT even if I'm along Kallang Rd.
Does Commonwealth Ave West necessarily be at Commonwealth? I can be at Clementi even if I'm along Commonwealth Ave West.
Does Bukit Timah Expressway necessarily be at Bukit Timah? I'm sure it by passes Woodlands and Mandai at some point.
Does Seletar Expressway necessarily be at Seletar? I'm also sure it bypasses Lentor, Upp Thomson, Mandai and Woodlands at some point.
I also recall certain long roads in the street directory which is bisected into two, such as Changi Rd (from Siglap Rd to Still Rd) and Changi Rd (from Still Rd to Geylang Rd).
Let's ponder, shall we?
Oh yes, I take offence in you calling me a detractor. What started out as a healthy discussion on this issue has lead you to calling names on people who disagrees with you. AFAIK, I did not purposely do anything like that. So please do take note of the limitations here. -
I really *do* dread confrontations. Your examples are valid- but they follow an old line of argument which I addressed earlier on 29 June at 9:11am. (You may wish to check that post.) This was what I said:Originally posted by Superbus:Which comes to mind roads such as Changi Rd, New Upp Changi Rd, Tampines Rd, Punggol Rd, Kallang Rd, Commonwealth Ave/West and even the expressways!
Does Changi Rd necessarily be at Changi? I can be near Telok Kurau even if I'm along Changi Rd.
Does Tampines Rd necessarily be at Tampines? I can be near Upp Serangoon even if I'm along Tampines Rd.
Does Punggol Rd necessarily be at Punggol? I can be at Sengkang even if I'm along Punggol Rd.
Does Kallang Rd necessarily be at Kallang? I can be near Lavender MRT even if I'm along Kallang Rd.
Does Commonwealth Ave West necessarily be at Commonwealth? I can be at Clementi even if I'm along Commonwealth Ave West.
Does Bukit Timah Expressway necessarily be at Bukit Timah? I'm sure it by passes Woodlands and Mandai at some point.
Does Seletar Expressway necessarily be at Seletar? I'm also sure it bypasses Lentor, Upp Thomson, Mandai and Woodlands at some point.
I also recall certain long roads in the street directory which is bisected into two, such as Changi Rd (from Siglap Rd to Still Rd) and Changi Rd (from Still Rd to Geylang Rd).
Let's ponder, shall we?
Oh yes, I take offence in you calling me a detractor. What started out as a healthy discussion on this issue has lead you to calling names on people who disagrees with you. AFAIK, I did not purposely do anything like that. So please do take note of the limitations here.
"Road/building names in Singapore often do not make any immediate sense to the onlooker for various (historical)reasons. Hence Holland Road is nowhere near/in the Netherlands, Tampines Home is in Thomson Road *and* West Coast Road, but not Tampines Road..and so on. "
Another contribution from Iveco on the same day pointed out more road name disparities:
"Tampines Rd links TAM/PSR with HGN via PLAB rear entrance. Jurong Rd used to extend up to Bt Timah. Woodlands Rd stretches from the Causeway down to BPJ area. Part of AMK Ave 3 belongs to S'goon town. Only a small portion of these roads belong to the area they are named after."
If you wish to ignore the official address of those buildings, or the street directory, or the fact that these places are close enough to Bedok Central that they fit on the same page of the map.....so be it. In this instance, it is not one of those 'is Changi Road necessarily in Changi' type of situation.
As for the "detractor" bit, I am not sure why it is offensive to you. It is not a bad word or a 4-letter crudity. (Perhaps you may wish to check the lexical meaning in a dictionary.) It is like addressing someone who teaches for a living, a 'Teacher', and then accused of name-calling and hateful. Huh? Where is the sense in that?
I was merely being factual by stating you detract the value of this "discussion". What sort of discussion can there be, if you unilaterally say your piece for the first time, conclude that it is the final word on the matter, and then take away the right of reply by attempting to 'close' it there and then?
By this, you imply that other people's opinions have little value, are worthless, and not worth reading. Hence, there is no point in 'discussing' it anymore- only 'case closed'.
So now you see why 'detractor' is appropriate in this context....and in any context, hardly a crude word. It is barely in the same league as other more colourful names I can think of.
But I digress really, and only wish to stick to bus related subjects.
Call this contentious stretch Bedok South (or Upper East Coast as Tranquilice says) or Ang Mo Kio Ave 17 or Pungol East Gardens.... whatever pleases you. My bottomline is that I used the same road name the street directory indicated. If you insist Fujitec and Panasonic are not on Bedok South Ave 1, despite all official indications, you will be pleased that I have taken note. Can't guarantee if the rest of Singapore agrees though.
With that, I conclude my opinion on this matter, and will henceforth hold my peace.