Allow SBST to ply into SMRT territory
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SBST had recently implemented many initiatives and bus services:
a. city buzzes
b. park buses to labrador
c. chinatown direct from bedok, clementi, amk
d. 174FF
e. 4 new bus services in a span of a month, 48, 34, 57, 58
And what new services we had from smrt? 950 and ????
Its obvious that SbsT has more resources and initiatives. I pity those staying in sembawang, bukit panjang, yew tee...., rather those staying in so called 'smrt' territory.
If SBST has sufficient resources and willing to spend and invest in buses, why restrict SBST to ply into SMRT territory. I believe SBST can come up with many initiatives and new routes.
To me it's a mistake for selling TIBS to SMRT. SMRT having the rail plying the EW and NS coridoors, had little motivation to introduces new services to 'grab' passengers from its rail businesses.
Do you see SBST introduces new services that ply along NEL? Likewise do you think SMRT would ply new routes along EW and NS?
Frequency on SMRT trains is getting longer, up to 7minutes. Thus it is getting more packed. Taking train is no longer a pleasant experience. Previously I would take trains to City Hall, Bugis, Lavendar, Outram Park from BV. Nowadays I prefer buses. With 48, I need not have to rely on train to Bugis and Lavendar.
Having SbsT plying on SMRT territory, Yew Tee and BP could have more bus services.
Perhaps PTC should allows SBST to ply into smrt territory if:
a. SMRT is unable to provide more direct and frequent bus services.
b. SMRT trains had reached a 'set' occupancy, say 70%.
PTC should aware that SMRT trains is getting more and more packed, even during non peak hours!
I have always wondered why Sunset estates has no buses to Orchard? And why sunset residents had to rely on Singapore Trolley buses on each morning?
Hope PTC would seriously look into the transport woes for those staying in the west, or more appropriately, those staying in SMRT territory. -
I am in favour of your suggestions!
but how to drill this plan into the head of SMRT's managment?
they only know how to waste unnecessary money into upgrading a bigger "bus stopping" display! i would rather they spend more money to upgrade their bus fleet!
asked for higher fare, and get the lousiest bus fleet for 920 and 921. -
Your unnecessary money into upgrading a bigger "bus stopping" is actually a next-stop information system.Originally posted by phillipC:I am in favour of your suggestions!
but how to drill this plan into the head of SMRT's managment?
they only know how to waste unnecessary money into upgrading a bigger "bus stopping" display! i would rather they spend more money to upgrade their bus fleet!
asked for higher fare, and get the lousiest bus fleet for 920 and 921.
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SBST services can ply into any SMRT's territories without any conditions. Vice-versa for SMRT into any SBST's territories.
In other words, it is entirely possible for SBST to operate services to Bt Panjang and Choa Chu Kang. -
173 - Clementi IntOriginally posted by tranquilice:SBST services can ply into any SMRT's territories without any conditions. Vice-versa for SMRT into any SBST's territories.
In other words, it is entirely possible for SBST to operate services to Bt Panjang and Choa Chu Kang.
39 - Yishun Int
608 & 854 - Bedok Int
161 & 168 - Woodlands Int
169 - AMK Int
181M - Bt Panjang, CCK, Yew Tee -
Services 173 and 169 can go to SBST territories because they are ex-SBS services.Originally posted by samtlk:173 - Clementi Int
39 - Yishun Int
608 & 854 - Bedok Int
161 & 168 - Woodlands Int
169 - AMK Int
181M - Bt Panjang, CCK, Yew Tee
No restriction for NightOwl and NR services. -
What about 851 and 854?Originally posted by tranquilice:Services 173 and 169 can go to SBST territories because they are ex-SBS services.
No restriction for NightOwl and NR services.
A side note, if 169 were to return to SBS hands, it would be the first DD in Yishun.
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wat do u mean? i dont really get you. Wat if SMRT were to operate a service from bedok to tampines or SBST operating woodlands to yishun?Originally posted by tranquilice:In other words, it is entirely possible for SBST to operate services to Bt Panjang and Choa Chu Kang. -
It is not possible according to the rules now. They do not allow any new SBST services to link 2 SMRT-conrolled estates and vice-versa so as not to affect the other company's revenue.Originally posted by SBS9828X:wat do u mean? i dont really get you. Wat if SMRT were to operate a service from bedok to tampines or SBST operating woodlands to yishun? -
I think SMRT is allowed to get to TAM - SBW nia...Originally posted by my@jas:It is not possible according to the rules now. They do not allow any new SBST services to link 2 SMRT-conrolled estates and vice-versa so as not to affect the other company's revenue.
But maybe have strings attached on SBS - SBS area svs -
sbst buses in bt panjang..?
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Now I see, they change inside LED signboard and I dun see any need...
And hates it when the EDS display is having error... Like Sv 61, may not be able to clearly show 61... -
Hope they can negotiate, then customers like us gains the most.
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So can SBST actually ply new services into Bukit Panjang, Choa Chu Kang or Sembawang?
I hope they could, but it doesn't seem they could.
Personally I believe there are much more demands in Sembawang, CCK, YT, BP than the City Busses, Park Rides, Chinatown Direct, SBST48....
I would hope SBST to have more direct competition with EWL and NSL, the train frequency and passenger loading is getting worse. Introduce a new service into Sembawang, cck or having services that run along the ewl and nsl will hopefullly wake up SMRT. -
Mean SBST can operates services from its territories into SMRT territories. Vice-versa for SMRT.Originally posted by SBS9828X:wat do u mean? i dont really get you. Wat if SMRT were to operate a service from bedok to tampines or SBST operating woodlands to yishun? -
Of course SBST services can enter these towns, but SBST's focus is on its own territories.Originally posted by iamgoondu:So can SBST actually ply new services into Bukit Panjang, Choa Chu Kang or Sembawang?
I hope they could, but it doesn't seem they could. -
Originally posted by tranquilice
strange if they aim to maximize investments returns, their priority should be serving areas that may be most inadequately served, moreover serving sembawang or yt could extend their catchment areas .Of course SBST services can enter these towns, but SBST's focus is on its own territories. -
SBST may like to extend its service to areas inadequately served, but if the areas belong to SMRT, SBST seems un-interested.Originally posted by iamgoondu:strange if they aim to maximize investments returns, their priority should be serving areas that may be most inadequately served, moreover serving sembawang or yt could extend their catchment areas .
When the Sembawang interchange is completed, prehaps you may wish to send SBST a feedback to introduce services there. -
You had confused me, if SBST is free to roam into all corners in Singapore, what exactly are SBST areas (or SMRT areas)?Originally posted by tranquilice:SBST may like to extend its service to areas inadequately served, but if the areas belong to SMRT, SBST seems un-interested.
When the Sembawang interchange is completed, prehaps you may wish to send SBST a feedback to introduce services there.
Just scratch my head, just feel that 'un-interested' may result in big revenues loss. Thought those empty city buzzes may generate more revenues elsewhere. -
SBST is free to roam to all corners as had been proven with services 39, and 161, 168 in Yishun and Woodlands respectively. SBST areas simply mean that the services in these areas are all or majority SBST services. Same applies to SMRT areas.Originally posted by iamgoondu:You had confused me, if SBST is free to roam into all corners in Singapore, what exactly are SBST areas (or SMRT areas)?
Just scratch my head, just feel that 'un-interested' may result in big revenues loss. Thought those empty city buzzes may generate more revenues elsewhere.
Maybe "un-interested" isn't the correct term to use, but I can't think of any other suitable terms.
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I agree with TranquilIce, having contacted PTC regarding this before. Yes, both companies can operate services in each other's territory freely, as long as the routes help to improve connectivity to commuters.Originally posted by tranquilice:SBST is free to roam to all corners as had been proven with services 39, and 161, 168 in Yishun and Woodlands respectively. SBST areas simply mean that the services in these areas are all or majority SBST services. Same applies to SMRT areas.
Maybe "un-interested" isn't the correct term to use, but I can't think of any other suitable terms.
You should have seen that both companies have their "areas of responsibility ". This means that the company has been assigned to operate certain bus interchanges/terminals and towns, ensuring that these towns they have been assigned to is served as best as possible. The towns controlled by the other company are secondary, as each company must ensure the needs of the commuters under their areas of responsibilities are met first. So don't be surprised if you see a SBST service operating between Woodlands and Yishun, or a SMRT service operating between Boon Lay and Tampines; it's perfectly possible. -
Thanks, everything is much clearer now.Originally posted by TIB1171R:I agree with TranquilIce, having contacted PTC regarding this before. Yes, both companies can operate services in each other's territory freely, as long as the routes help to improve connectivity to commuters.
You should have seen that both companies have their "areas of responsibility ". This means that the company has been assigned to operate certain bus interchanges/terminals and towns, ensuring that these towns they have been assigned to is served as best as possible. The towns controlled by the other company are secondary, as each company must ensure the needs of the commuters under their areas of responsibilities are met first. So don't be surprised if you see a SBST service operating between Woodlands and Yishun, or a SMRT service operating between Boon Lay and Tampines; it's perfectly possible.
SBST might be tickled first to take care Buangkok residents before ramming itself into SMRT 'territories'.
. If you can't take care Buangkok, how can u take care Sembawang, CCK? -
I think it is all an act...Originally posted by iamgoondu:Thanks, everything is much clearer now.
SBST might be tickled first to take care Buangkok residents before ramming itself into SMRT 'territories'. . If you can't take care Buangkok, how can u take care Sembawang, CCK?
If the Buangkok ppl buay siong because of fare hike, then more reason for them to get to Hougang instead.
Next, he say PGL case... He like this cannot be treated for his words. He in Jan said PGL LRT should be up ASAP... Now say another thing, if that's the case, he go fly kite... No MRT, how LRT surive? In Jan - June 2003, Sengkang East is an example -
how come LRT is a seperate enquity from MRT? a person who transfer to the LRT from MRT pays seperate fares even though LRT is a "rail" service.. some more its fares are not cheap (varies up to $1.05), as compared to feeder svcs
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I dunt see any intention by SMRT to operate new services, unless there is sign by them to buy new buses.
they are facing a serious shortage of good working conditions buses.
bus revenue falls due to operating inefficiency and removal of route.
still got the cheek to say out in their quarterly report!
i wander what their planners doing all these two years. or do they have 'planners' at all?