Nostalgia on Buses
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Seevice 38.Originally posted by tranquilice:Do you remember when was the service enhanced to ply Simei St 4? -
ooo and most were not developed yet rite? You sure had a good memory...Originally posted by bluezombie10:svc 290 then had skipped simei st 4. original route was tampines central 1, central 3, ave 7, ave 2, simei rd, simei st 1, st 3, simei rd, tampines ave 2, ave 7, central 3 and central 1. amended to benefit the residents at simei st 4.
svc 292 original route was tampines central 1, central 2, ave 5, ave 2, st 22, ave 2, ave 5, central 2 and central 1. it was amended to ply st 11 for the benefits of the residents there in the late 80s.
sbv 297 was amended in 1990, when dunman sec sch was re-located from its old site at tg katong rd.
i had previously lived at tampines between the period of 1984 to 1993.
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I was asking when was service 290 enhanced to ply Simei St 4.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Seevice 38.
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if my memory dun fail me, i believe it was in the late 80s, should be around the same time when svc 292 was amended to ply street 11.Originally posted by tranquilice:I was asking when was service 290 enhanced to ply Simei St 4. -
At the point in time when i had moved to tampines in 1984, the estate was only developed at around part of street 11, part of street 12, part of street 21 & part of street 22.Originally posted by SBS9828X:ooo and most were not developed yet rite? You sure had a good memory...
Care to share about Tampines bus history?
I remembered that Tampines ave 1 (the stretch along present Temasek Poly) was mostly used as a side parking space for heavy vehicles and the stretch was dark and dimly lighted.
Tampines ave 2 only ended at the present junction of Tampines Street 21, right outside ChongZheng Pri Sch. All vehicles were to U-turn there, including the bus services plying there.
Original bus service plying there were svc 18 and svc 292.
Svc 18 Bedok - Tampines Ave 2 (Loop)
Bedok Interchange, North St 1, North Ave 3, Bedok Reservoir Rd, Tampines Ave 1, Ave 2, u-turn at junction of St 21, continue along Ave 2, Ave 1, Bedok Reservoir Rd, Bedok North Ave 3, North St 1 and Bedok Interchange
Svc 292 Tampines - Tampines Ave 2 (Loop)
Tampines Terminal, Ave 5, Ave 2, u-turn at junction St 21, continue along Ave 2, Ave 5 and Tampines Terminal
When street 22 was fully opened, and the u-turn junction was abolished, and svc 18 and svc 292 looped at street 22.
The the bus terminal at that time was along tampines avenue 5, right outside the present blk 938. Original services that plied there were:
Svc 10 Tampines - Jurong (from Somapah Terminal)
Svc 23 Tampines - Tomlinson Rd (Loop) (new svc)
Svc 28 Tampines - New Bridge Rd (new svc)
Svc 292 Tampines - Tampines St 22 (Loop) (new svc)
When the estate was further developed, more services were amended or introduced, such as:
Svc 29 Tampines - Changi Airport Cargo Complex (Loop) (new svc)
Svc 31 Tampines - Kallang Park (Loop) (extended from Bedok Interchange)
Svc 65 Tampines - World Trade Centre (extended from MacPherson Terminal)
Svc 293 Tampines - Tampines St 81 (Loop) (new svc)
Svc 294 Tampines - Tampines St 21 (Loop) (new svc)
When the new Tampines Interchange was opened, all services were re-located there, including service 18. Previously, the interchange had no buildings around it, so it was like a building in the middle of a vast plot of empty undeveloped land, kinda look a little weird. (Yes, there were no Pavilion, no MRT, no Century Sq, no Tampines Mall, no DBS Building and others.)
SBS had opened only one side of the interchange actually, which is from berths A1 - A10 and berths B7 - B10. (refer to http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/busint_tampines.asp) The other side was actually unopened. I also remembered that svcs 10, 23 and 28 occupied berths A1 - A10 while the rest of the services occupied the remaining berths.
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It might be 1989 or 1990.Originally posted by tranquilice:I was asking when was service 290 enhanced to ply Simei St 4. -
My friend told me that a Volvo B57 (SBS4869K) was plied on Svc 67 before in 1993. Rare scene that an NAC bus plied on Svc 67!!
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SBS5326D (LA with BaCo) was replaced with an Alexander R bodywork after an accident which damages the front body.
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What happened to sv 361 which used to serve Bukit Batok Central at the stop opp block 628? I saw its erased no. on the bus stop plate and wondering...
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It was used by SBS until 2000. Tibs renumbered 361 to 941.Originally posted by kc_leung:What happened to sv 361 which used to serve Bukit Batok Central at the stop opp block 628? I saw its erased no. on the bus stop plate and wondering... -
No route changes at all?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:It was used by SBS until 2000. Tibs renumbered 361 to 941. -
Yes, route remains unchanged.Originally posted by kc_leung:No route changes at all? -
is there a 390? never heard of it b4 leh
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last time one. frm changi airport(is it?) to tomlinson rd (loop).Originally posted by SBS9828X:is there a 390? never heard of it b4 leh -
Yes, withdrawn in 1993 as route covered by 16.Originally posted by sinicker:last time one. frm changi airport(is it?) to tomlinson rd (loop).
before 1983 it served somapah terminal -> changi airport if i'm not wrong. -
the irony is... if you guys take 31 frm Tampines Int, after passing by ITE College it'll turn right.. den the bus stop opp. Ossia Building that one.. in 1997, when the old bus number plates were still in use, i can see an erased "390" on that bus stop.
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Svc 390 used to plied there, withdrawn in 1993 Bus Rationalisation, route covered by Svc 16.Originally posted by sinicker:the irony is... if you guys take 31 frm Tampines Int, after passing by ITE College it'll turn right.. den the bus stop opp. Ossia Building that one.. in 1997, when the old bus number plates were still in use, i can see an erased "390" on that bus stop.
In 1988, I can recall that Svc 390 plies from Holland Rd – Changi Airport.Originally posted by sinicker:last time one. frm changi airport(is it?) to tomlinson rd (loop). -
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As far as I know, service 390 didn't terminate at Somapah. In the 39x service range, only services 392 and 393 did.Originally posted by kc_leung:Yes, withdrawn in 1993 as route covered by 16.
before 1983 it served somapah terminal -> changi airport if i'm not wrong. -
Originally posted by sinicker:the irony is... if you guys take 31 frm Tampines Int, after passing by ITE College it'll turn right.. den the bus stop opp. Ossia Building that one.. in 1997, when the old bus number plates were still in use, i can see an erased "390" on that bus stop.
It didn't ply Upp Changi Rd East. Perhaps you saw the others 39x.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Svc 390 used to plied there, withdrawn in 1993 Bus Rationalisation, route covered by Svc 16. -
No dude. Those two AC buses first served on Svc 167, then Svc 850 before on Svc 852. Probably the reason why you remember it being 852 as the first service is because Svc 167 and Svc 850 held those two buses for a relatively short time compared to Svc 852.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:TIB279X & TIB280R was the first 2 Air-Con Buses in TIBS Fleet (Nissan Diesel U31SCN). They were first deployed on Svc 852.
I distinctively remembered riding on Svc 167 in Aircon to Orchard Road from my home (in Sembawang Chong Pang Village). So happy! Then.. the buses went to 850
And then, I moved to Yishun!!! Yay Aircon ride to Orchard Road again!!! And then... no more aircon rides to Orchard Road 
after they were transferred to 852, but at least, not too bad, I still can get Aircon rides to the Singapore Science Centre. And then... no more damned Woodlands... why TIBS favour Woodlands so much - sacrifice Svc 852 and give the two AC buses to the already FAC service 950 (old). Sad sad.... it was not until SBS 171 was extended to Yishun Int and gave the Duple/Alex O405 AC's to 171 that Yishun next saw another AC service in a very very very loooong time. -
Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:No dude. Those two AC buses first served on Svc 167, then Svc 850 before on Svc 852. Probably the reason why you remember it being 852 as the first service is because Svc 167 and Svc 850 held those two buses for a relatively short time compared to Svc 852.
I distinctively remembered riding on Svc 167 in Aircon to Orchard Road from my home (in Sembawang Chong Pang Village). So happy! Then.. the buses went to 850 And then, I moved to Yishun!!! Yay Aircon ride to Orchard Road again!!! And then... no more aircon rides to Orchard Road after they were transferred to 852, but at least, not too bad, I still can get Aircon rides to the Singapore Science Centre. And then... no more damned Woodlands... why TIBS favour Woodlands so much - sacrifice Svc 852 and give the two AC buses to the already FAC service 950 (old). Sad sad.... it was not until SBS 171 was extended to Yishun Int and gave the Duple/Alex O405 AC's to 171 that Yishun next saw another AC service in a very very very loooong time.
Continue from the Service 852 thread......Originally posted by AntiDennisLance:I am back here after a loooong absence.... okay I shall set the record straight here. Have been a Sembawangite the first 10 years of my life and an Yishunite thereafter and still is.
Yes, TIB279X and TIB280R are the first AC buses TIBS had. BUT (as some other thread stated)..... the first AC or PAC service was NOT 850, or 852.... rather, it was .... *drum-roll* 167!!!!!!
Yep, 167... then both AC buses (279X and 280R) went from 167 (rather quickly) to 850... and then (also rather quickly) to 852, where it stayed for a while before being given to the old service 950.
TIB311K to TIB317U were *NOT* AC buses from the outstart. They were in the same batch of NAC buses (WITHOUT the AC unit and ceiling blow ducts) that included TIB311K to TIB319P, which initially served on service 167 when first procured. TIB311K to TIB317U were only retrofitted with rooftop AC units sometime around when service 951 was introduced (due to shortage of AC buses). TIB320J to TIB336P were pressed into service shortly after TIB311K to TIB319P were bought.
WRT to R87 or U31SCN, frankly I dont know the diff between the two in terms of engine or chassis - all nissan sliding-door-exit buses (TIB251A to TIB336P, as well as the U31RCNs) all have the same engine cap (11670cc) and almost similar engine noises anyway. Any slight differences in engine noises are probably due to slightly different versions of automatic ZF gearboxes (all ZF's except likely Voith's in TIB335S and TIB336P).
And one very big potential discepancy - TIB311K to TIB317U, as well as TIB390G - likely never served on service 852 (at least as AC buses). Those buses had been at KJDEP as well as service 852 alright, but 852 had become a full NAC service (after TIB279X and TIB280R had been given to 950) by the time TIB390G were bought and TIB311K to TIB317U acquired their AC unit. And by the time 852 attained PAC and FAC status, TIB311K to TIB317U had either been retired from service or converted back to be used as NAC buses. TIB390G went on to SSB as well by then. Service 852 was one of the very last NAC service to be given PAC status (after TIB279X and TIB280R left).
Thanks for the clarification about the various points.
I am surprised that TIB311 to TIB318 were first NAC buses, then converted to AC Buses.
Do you have any idea when the conversion from NAC to AC took place? Somewhere around 1990 or 1991? I don't have the date for the introduction of Service 951
As for the R87, I am also not sure what are the differences in Chassis, but I have seen differences between the bodywork. TIB 281 to TIB 300 have black headlights cover, similar to SBS' U31SCN. TIB 301 to TIB336 have silover headlight covers. The body for them is also slightly different between the 2 batches. -
Hmmm going by the yardstick of introduction of service 951, it would be 1990, the same time the Hispano DAF's were bought. I first saw a retrofitted U31 on 951 (which was TIB313E). Much to my dismay coz those buses were premium buses of AMKDEP at that time. I believe some other forumnites here have the exact dates.Originally posted by demag_ac:Continue from the Service 852 thread......
Thanks for the clarification about the various points.
I am surprised that TIB311 to TIB318 were first NAC buses, then converted to AC Buses.
Do you have any idea when the conversion from NAC to AC took place? Somewhere around 1990 or 1991? I don't have the date for the introduction of Service 951
As for the R87, I am also not sure what are the differences in Chassis, but I have seen differences between the bodywork. TIB 281 to TIB 300 have black headlights cover, similar to SBS' U31SCN. TIB 301 to TIB336 have silover headlight covers. The body for them is also slightly different between the 2 batches.
I dont think the headlight cover colours are reliable indicators between R87 and U31SCN's. TIB271S, TIB282K, TIB286A, TIB287Y had silver covers, while TIB288U, TIB301P, TIB308X had black ones, for example. Sometimes the memory are a little blurred coz some buses may have changed from silver to black covers (replacement) e.g. TIB271S after faceplate reconstruction after an accident. Even the older U31F's had inconsistent headlight cover colours, some black, some white. TIB336P underwent faceplate reconstruction too - it too had an accident that ripped off the whole front. When I saw it in AMKDEP during repairs, it had *BLACK* square headlight covers, but when it came out on the road subsequently, the black turned to *SILVER*! So I suspect the black colour could actually be some protective layer that is supposed to be peeled off after installation of the cover. -
Somapah Interchange threadOriginally posted by tranquilice:It didn't ply Upp Changi Rd East. Perhaps you saw the others 39x. -
NISSAN DIESEL U31SCN
Round Headlights:
NAC: TIB251A–TIB278Z, TIB281M–TIB310M
OAC: TIB279X & TIB280R
Square Headlights:
NAC: TIB318S–TIB336P
CAC: TIB311K–TIB317U
OAC: TIB390G
(TIB335S & TIB336P have VOITH gearbox)