CW3: Jurong East Int - Larkin/Kota Raya II Ter
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By the way, from 8-Oct-05 onwards, the flat rate for CW3 from JE will no longer be SGD3 but SGD4!
Just realised that all these while, the prices charged for JB & SG was for "promotional" purposes only, to help boost CW3's hit off.
Also heard rumours that once the revised fare is implemented, CW3 may not enter Gelang Patah.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we can give GP a miss? -
Then Handal Indah better beef up the Malaysian CIQ <-> Kotaraya service to make sure that it is punctual.....Originally posted by purplecrazed:By the way, from 8-Oct-05 onwards, the flat rate for CW3 from JE will no longer be SGD3 but SGD4!
Just realised that all these while, the prices charged for JB & SG was for "promotional" purposes only, to help boost CW3's hit off.
Also heard rumours that once the revised fare is implemented, CW3 may not enter Gelang Patah.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we can give GP a miss? -
hey ppl.. aint CW3 be Kota raya > JE?
then the procedure inside the checkpoints should be like SBS170, or those typical express buses?
how come hear u all say bout got shuttle bus, then at tuas chkpt got 2 bus loads of ppl dumped together?
means have bus u turn back to JE? -
Does anyone know the current route of CW3 that passes Bukit Indah? Does it still go to the central town park (the big roundabout)? I saw one near the Petronas gas station a few days ago, and another in front of Kelab Indah today. Looks like it has a new route.
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Ermm... I think you didn't back-track to read our earlier postings properly, that's why you're confused and blur.Originally posted by 105090:hey ppl.. aint CW3 be Kota raya > JE?
then the procedure inside the checkpoints should be like SBS170, or those typical express buses?
how come hear u all say bout got shuttle bus, then at tuas chkpt got 2 bus loads of ppl dumped together?
means have bus u turn back to JE?
First of all, please note that CW3 is split into:
a) LOCAL ROUTE (Black signage on the bus):
Kotaraya -> Tmn Perling -> Bkt Indah -> Gelang Patah
b) SINGAPORE ROUTE (Blue signage on the bus):
Gelang Patah -> CIQ -> Tuas Checkpoint -> Jurong East
At the same time, HI svc 666 is going by:
Larkin -> Tun Aminah -> Gelang Patah
(*Once at Gelang Patah, passengers from svc 666 will transfer to CW3 SGP route).
The SHUTTLE BUS which I mentioned was initially HI's TRIAL SERVICE to pick up passengers from WITHIN BKT INDAH -> Gelang Patah because at first CW3-Local route did not enter Bkt Indah's residential estate, merely passing through the roundabout & immediately hit the highway towards GP.
Secondly, please understand that there is a B-I-G DIFFERENCE in the number of passengers travelling by Causeway with 2nd Link. Probably about 80-90% of people travelling in-and-out of JB-S'pore daily still opt for the Causeway, due to the fact that many are not staying anywhere near Tmn Perling, Bkt Indah, Gelang Patah or Tun Aminah.
Therefore, CW3 does NOT have the same service frequency as that of CW1 or CW2. Todate, CW1 has abt 30 buses, CW2 = 20 buses while CW3 only about 6-8 buses. CW1 operates at a frequency of every 5 minutes between Kranji-Larkin during peak hours while CW3 is every 30mins between Gelang Patah-Jurong East. See the difference?
So because of that, CW3's procedure is that of a "TYPICAL EXPRESS BUS" where it's "supposed" to WAIT & HEAD-COUNT for everyone of its passenger before leaving Tuas checkpoint. It cannot afford to operate like CW1 because it does not have long queues of passengers like Woodlands Checkpoint. Morever, Tuas Checkpoint is not assessible by foot due to tight security. It does not have crowds of people coming in-and-out of it constantly.
But at times due to an unfortunate long queue at the immigration caused by another crowd of tourist, CW3 will not wait till all its passengers are aboard the bus because it has to abide by a strict schedule, which is monitored by the HI Time-keeper.
The incident of the 2 bus loads of ppl dumped together sometimes happen due to different scenarios. It could be:
a) The local route bus which was supposed to pick up passengers from Tmn Perling-Bkt Indah at a certain time (e.g. 6:10am) did not turn up, so we ended up boarding the next bus that came 20-30mins later and reaching Gelang Patah at 7:00am instead of 6.30am. So that explains passengers from 2 different time slot ended up on one same bus, which in turn causes the bus departing GP @ 7:10am to be much more FULLER THAN USUAL.
b) CW3 left some passengers at Tuas Checkpoint who were delayed at the immigration. So these passengers have to board the next oncoming bus. Again, the next bus also becomes fuller than usual.
c) CW3 experienced a tyre puncture after leaving Jurong East when it was nearing Tuas checkpoint (it was an unfortunate incident that really took place, believe me, I was there...), so once it reaches KSAB CIQ, it decided that it will not continue with the journey to Gelang Patah. So we had to wait to board the next bus coming from Jurong East. And of course, the next bus became a "2 bus loads of ppl dumped together" thingy....
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Yup, CW3 now goes in to Bkt Indah itself!Originally posted by hannwei:Does anyone know the current route of CW3 that passes Bukit Indah? Does it still go to the central town park (the big roundabout)? I saw one near the Petronas gas station a few days ago, and another in front of Kelab Indah today. Looks like it has a new route.
Coming from Jalan Layang (Tmn Perling), it will not turn into the roundabout yet but hit straight to Bkt Indah by passing in front of Kelab Indah, taking on a route similar to Triton 501 & HI svc 111, all the way to Petronas till it comes out at the main highway intersection, GO IN TO MAKE ONE BIG CIRCLE AT THE ROUNDABOUT, then only hit the highway.
When returning from Singapore, it will turn into the roundabout first, then go back to the main intersection to enter Bkt Indah, passes Petronas, Kelab Indah & subsequently Tmn Perling.
Though sometimes whether the bus turns in to the roundabout first followed by entering Bkt Indah estate or Bkt Indah estate first then followed by the roundabout seem to be at the driver's whim and fancy.
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Got this piece of Handal Indah contact information from a CW3 bus:Originally posted by purplecrazed:By the way, from 8-Oct-05 onwards, the flat rate for CW3 from JE will no longer be SGD3 but SGD4!
Just realised that all these while, the prices charged for JB & SG was for "promotional" purposes only, to help boost CW3's hit off.
Also heard rumours that once the revised fare is implemented, CW3 may not enter Gelang Patah.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if we can give GP a miss?
hotline number is 07-355-4422
sms number is 012-717-8080
From 2005-10-08 onwards, the CW3 fare from Taman Perling to Jurong East increases to 4.50 MYR (if I have remembered correctly). The fare from Bukit Indah to Jurong East is confirmed as 4.00 MYR. The fare from Jurong East remains at 3.00 SGD.
The bus drivers seem confused. Was made to pay the Taman Perling to Malaysian CIQ fare today, though I boarded at Bukit Indah. The driver even asked how much I paid in the past. I said 2.60 MYR, then he said now pay 3.00 MYR. Then at the Gelang Patah station, ten passengers, including me, were asked to pay another 2.60 MYR for the journey from Malaysian CIQ to Jurong East. Complained to 012-717-8080. Handal Indah acknowledged the driver error, but still had to pay the 2.60 MYR.
Requests submitted verbally to 012-717-8080 on 2005-10-08:
- Paste the new fare table on CW3 buses, so that the passengers can correct driver errors immediately.
- Label the destination of each CW3 bus clearly, as there are overlapped routes now, so that the passengers do not have to stop each CW3 bus to ask the driver where it is heading. -
aHH.. so seems CW3 does not practises the wait and head-count method done by all express buses.. and seems 666 seems like a "burden" to CW3 passengers, having to cramp up one Singapore bound CW3.
1 bus of sv666 + 1 bus of kota raya CW3 = 1 cramp bus of singapore bound CW3 -
Oh, yes. You are right abt the fare. From JE is still SGD3. I thought both sides also increased. Wrong conclusion. Anyway, I'm starting to feel the pinch paying 4.50MYR from Tmn Perling because I no longer get to experience the sort of "comfort" ride when CW3 first started. In the past, everyone of us passengers will get a seat and get to sleep throughout the journey. It was so relaxing... But now, we've started to push, race with each other upon exiting the immigration to the bus and fight or claw our way to get a seat.... and some still end up having to stand... sigh..Originally posted by hannwei:Got this piece of Handal Indah contact information from a CW3 bus:
hotline number is 07-355-4422
sms number is 012-717-8080
From 2005-10-08 onwards, the CW3 fare from Taman Perling to Jurong East increases to 4.50 MYR (if I have remembered correctly). The fare from Bukit Indah to Jurong East is confirmed as 4.00 MYR. The fare from Jurong East remains at 3.00 SGD.
With such a hefty price yet still having to suffer a certain "mad rush", I'm starting to seriously think abt going by causeway again... -
Your last sentence sums it all correctly. Clever!Originally posted by 105090:aHH.. so seems CW3 does not practises the wait and head-count method done by all express buses.. and seems 666 seems like a "burden" to CW3 passengers, having to cramp up one Singapore bound CW3.
1 bus of sv666 + 1 bus of kota raya CW3 = 1 cramp bus of singapore bound CW3
But well... CW3 does wait & head-count except on some unfavourable occasions.. -
Like I've said and I will say it again, CW3 is THE BUS THAT GIVES YOU SHOCKING SURPRISES EVERY NOW AND THEN.Originally posted by hannwei:The bus drivers seem confused. Was made to pay the Taman Perling to Malaysian CIQ fare today, though I boarded at Bukit Indah. The driver even asked how much I paid in the past. I said 2.60 MYR, then he said now pay 3.00 MYR. Then at the Gelang Patah station, ten passengers, including me, were asked to pay another 2.60 MYR for the journey from Malaysian CIQ to Jurong East. Complained to 012-717-8080. Handal Indah acknowledged the driver error, but still had to pay the 2.60 MYR.
Requests submitted verbally to 012-717-8080 on 2005-10-08:
- Paste the new fare table on CW3 buses, so that the passengers can correct driver errors immediately.
- Label the destination of each CW3 bus clearly, as there are overlapped routes now, so that the passengers do not have to stop each CW3 bus to ask the driver where it is heading.
Would you like to hear more "horror" stories of CW3?? Some of these incidents were what I experienced and some were testified by other passengers themselves:
1. On the first day of CW3's operation (29-Aug), our driver was not familiar with the route to Jurong East upon leaving Tuas Checkpoint. He kept asking another male passenger, "Is it this turn? Or the next turn? Where huh?.. Here?" Imagine what would have happened if no one had directed him. We'd hv gone on a Singapore round-trip.
2. Once during the early stage of CW3's operation, we were all waiting for the Singapore-bound bus in the morning but it was very late in coming. What we heard was that the driver was not familiar with the highway route so he lost his way trying to find the exit to Gelang Patah.
3. Not only was there a driver who did not know how to enter Gelang Patah, there was also one who did not know how to get back to the highway towards Tuas! My friend told me there was once her SG-bound CW3 made a wrong turn and was back heading towards Bkt Indah. Hah!
4. Then another time during the initial stage, a Johor-bound CW3 left its passengers at Johor CIQ and made a U-turn back to Singapore WITHOUT the knowledge of the passengers nor the HI Time-keeper himself!
5. Another hilarious one... my friend told me she heard from her friend that there was one morning, everybody waited for 10-20mins at Tuas checkpoint before they realised something was amiss. Passengers started to get curious and one by one they went into the immigration office to ask "Where the heck is our driver?!" Apparently the driver's permit has expired and he was being detained and barred from entering Singapore. Hah! And so they had to wait to board the next bus.
6. The incident reported by hannwei abt the driver who lost his autopass at Tuas checkpoint one morning...
7. Johor-bound CW3 had a tyre punctured while heading towards Tuas Checkpoint...
8. Last Friday evening, passengers going home to Bkt Indah-Tmn Perling who took the 1700 & 1730 from JE were stranded together at Gelang Patah because there was no Kotaraya-bound bus. Instead, 3 buses of HI 666 were all parked there (white elephants!). Eventually one of the HI Chinese staff ordered his 666 driver to drive to Larkin via Bkt Indah-Tmn Perling with him onboard to direct the way. So all passengers goin to Bkt Indah-Tmn Perling acutally got home on 666! And it sure puzzled many people at that area to see svc 666 instead of 111.
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Oh yeah... I forgot one more "horror" story...Originally posted by hannwei:The bus drivers seem confused. Was made to pay the Taman Perling to Malaysian CIQ fare today, though I boarded at Bukit Indah. The driver even asked how much I paid in the past. I said 2.60 MYR, then he said now pay 3.00 MYR. Then at the Gelang Patah station, ten passengers, including me, were asked to pay another 2.60 MYR for the journey from Malaysian CIQ to Jurong East. Complained to 012-717-8080. Handal Indah acknowledged the driver error, but still had to pay the 2.60 MYR.
It seem that the shocking increase in the fare last Friday which you reported was not experienced by all, except those "unfortunate" ones who took a certain bus at a certain time because my bus did not experience any increase at all.
Anyway, I heard others reported the same nightmare as yours but theirs was in a slightly different form. My friend who boarded from Tmn Perling was told straight away to pay RM5.60 while another friend of mine from Bkt Indah had to pay RM5.20
But when we were stranded at Gelang Patah last Friday evening, we found out from the Chinese HI staff that it wasn't the correct fare and what happened was there was a GLITCH in the bus' computer!! Either the numbers were keyed in wrongly or it went haywire. So because of the error in the computerised system, it became the standard fare rate for the day. Hah!
CW3 is full of lunacy at times... -
Are there any website for HI?
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Nope.Originally posted by carbikebus:Are there any website for HI? -
Actually all of CW3's Singapore-bound buses have been labelled very clearly much earlier. Besides having the signage in black & blue background, CW3 even added another square signage that says "Jurong East Interchange" (yellow font on red background) and "JB" (yellow font on black background).Originally posted by hannwei:- Label the destination of each CW3 bus clearly, as there are overlapped routes now, so that the passengers do not have to stop each CW3 bus to ask the driver where it is heading.
What happens is passengers going to town are still blur and the HI driver sometimes take the initiative to stop even when it's not flagged down. -
Those traveling between Jurong East and Gelang Patah are labeled quite clearly these days compared to several weeks ago.Originally posted by purplecrazed:Actually all of CW3's Singapore-bound buses have been labelled very clearly much earlier. Besides having the signage in black & blue background, CW3 even added another square signage that says "Jurong East Interchange" (yellow font on red background) and "JB" (yellow font on black background).
What happens is passengers going to town are still blur and the HI driver sometimes take the initiative to stop even when it's not flagged down.
However, those traveling between Gelang Patah and Kotaraya are not. Some of them have a big sign in front listing the intermediate stops, but leaving out the destination. While several have wrong destinations (saw one traveling from Taman Perling towards Bukit Indah with the sign saying Bandaraya). This makes life difficult for those waiting at the big roundabout at Bukit Indah, where all vehicles travel in the same direction. Besides, the words have to be big and clear enough for passengers to clearly identify the destinations about fifty meters away in both bright and dark conditions, so that there is sufficient time to stop a bus. -
haha.. those horror stories really make me laugh!
still, its quite bad that HI is making out this kind of service.. like autopass and entry permit expire is the worst .. hard on you guys and the regulars who take CW3..
maybe you all can propose a colour system to HI staff?
say for J East bound, black words against a GREEN background, and GP bound, maybe bright RED?? then ppl can see from far distance -
This problem highlighted in blue not only happen on CW3, but most JB buses.Originally posted by hannwei:Those traveling between Jurong East and Gelang Patah are labeled quite clearly these days compared to several weeks ago.
However, those traveling between Gelang Patah and Kotaraya are not. Some of them have a big sign in front listing the intermediate stops, but leaving out the destination. While several have wrong destinations (saw one traveling from Taman Perling towards Bukit Indah with the sign saying Bandaraya). This makes life difficult for those waiting at the big roundabout at Bukit Indah, where all vehicles travel in the same direction. Besides, the words have to be big and clear enough for passengers to clearly identify the destinations about fifty meters away in both bright and dark conditions, so that there is sufficient time to stop a bus.
For instance, 331 depart from Tmn U with a signage of "Bandaraya Johor Bahru", ok, it seems that nothing is wrong. Upon the bus reaches JB, made a u-turn at the post office and head back to Tmn U, the driver don't even bother to remove the "Bandaraya Johor Bahru" signage, making those people waiting for JB-bound buses at the hospital, confused and board the wrong direction bus will the "JB" signage, because 331 will passby the hospital from Tmn U to JB and from JB to Tmn U. Pretty confusing for people who are not familiar with JB routes.
Other services as well, drivers don't care about the "JB" signage even if the bus leaves JB town and will not head back to JB again. -
Yeah, imagine having your bus driver "under police custody". Hahaha!Originally posted by 105090:haha.. those horror stories really make me laugh!
still, its quite bad that HI is making out this kind of service.. like autopass and entry permit expire is the worst .. hard on you guys and the regulars who take CW3..
And got the whole bus load of passengers waiting for him... they searched high and low, wondering where has the driver gone to... And the immigration officer said, "He's in detention.."
Anyway, this morning I decided not to take CW3 anymore. I told myself I'll go back to the Causeway. So I was at the opposite bus stop waiting for the bus to town when I saw CW3 passed by and it was TOTALLY EMPTY! Not only that, I also saw some other regular passengers of CW3 in the same town bus with me as well as at Woodlands Checkpoint!
You know what must have scared many of these passengers off? It must have been last Friday's horrifying ticket price, which was more than doubled the usual fare. I mean, c'mon, not many people knew that it was the result of an error in the ticketing computer or that the fare has now been corrected. You give people this kind of heart attack... once bitten, twice shy...
Even if right now it's down to RM4.50 from Tmn Perling, I think some people still find it rather expensive. If the service is good, I guess some wouldn't mind. But right now, we pay so expensive yet when we reach Gelang Patah, we have to swap to a fully-packed bus and sometimes endanger our lives by having to cross the main road when 2 buses meet halfway... And when we have to swap to an already-packed bus, we don't get to sit for the long ride. On top of that, many tend to race out from the immigration counter and pushing each other to be the first to get onto the bus. The scene has become uglier than Causeway.
Right now, travelling via Causeway seem to be better than last time 'coz CW1 has many buses.
It take me almost the same amount of time to reach my workplace whether it's via 2nd Link or causeway... I might as well opt for a cheaper route. -
If it's getting so crowded that many people end up standing often then it's time they start to deploy more buses during the high load times !!
The frequency need not be too frequent due to the lower passenger loading during the off-peak hours but they have to ensure more puntuality to make up for any reduced frequency as it boils down to time planning i.e. not being @ the bus-stop too early or end up waiting too long due to any near-misses !
They should state the fares clearly & print it out & paste it onboard the bus so both drivers & passengers know the fare well.
As for the rest of your stories below, it boils down to the need for improvements in managing the staff & the situation so that you don't get drivers who lose their way around or forgotten their passports or passes etc. !
Perhaps Handal Indah can benefit from the expertise of running bus operations from some ex-TIBS management staff ?!? I should think it timely HI hire some of them over especially in view of 'retrenchments' @ SMRT of many ex-TIBS staff who seem no longer needed here !Originally posted by purplecrazed:Yeah, imagine having your bus driver "under police custody". Hahaha!
And got the whole bus load of passengers waiting for him... they searched high and low, wondering where has the driver gone to... And the immigration officer said, "He's in detention.."
Anyway, this morning I decided not to take CW3 anymore. I told myself I'll go back to the Causeway. So I was at the opposite bus stop waiting for the bus to town when I saw CW3 passed by and it was TOTALLY EMPTY! Not only that, I also saw some other regular passengers of CW3 in the same town bus with me as well as at Woodlands Checkpoint!
You know what must have scared many of these passengers off? It must have been last Friday's horrifying ticket price, which was more than doubled the usual fare. I mean, c'mon, not many people knew that it was the result of an error in the ticketing computer or that the fare has now been corrected. You give people this kind of heart attack... once bitten, twice shy...
Even if right now it's down to RM4.50 from Tmn Perling, I think some people still find it rather expensive. If the service is good, I guess some wouldn't mind. But right now, we pay so expensive yet when we reach Gelang Patah, we have to swap to a fully-packed bus and sometimes endanger our lives by having to cross the main road when 2 buses meet halfway... And when we have to swap to an already-packed bus, we don't get to sit for the long ride. On top of that, many tend to race out from the immigration counter and pushing each other to be the first to get onto the bus. The scene has become uglier than Causeway.
Right now, travelling via Causeway seem to be better than last time 'coz CW1 has many buses.
It take me almost the same amount of time to reach my workplace whether it's via 2nd Link or causeway... I might as well opt for a cheaper route. -
I think Handal Indah is s-t-r-u-g-g-l-i-n-g (or barely surviving...) in trying to earn any little profit from its running of CW3. First of all, 2nd Link is not a popular route during off-peak hour but HI is trying its best to maintain an image of consistency so that the public knows there'll always be CW3 buses traveling to and fro JB-S'pore via 2nd Link round the clock the whole day, everyday, whether peak or off-peak, many or few passengers, rain or shine. But in doing so, it is suffering a loss because ferrying less than 10 or even less than 5 passengers whether from GP or JE during off-peak definitely cannot cover the operational cost.Originally posted by hseochin:If it's getting so crowded that many people end up standing often then it's time they start to deploy more buses during the high load times !!
The frequency need not be too frequent due to the lower passenger loading during the off-peak hours but they have to ensure more puntuality to make up for any reduced frequency as it boils down to time planning i.e. not being @ the bus-stop too early or end up waiting too long due to any near-misses !
They should state the fares clearly & print it out & paste it onboard the bus so both drivers & passengers know the fare well.
As for the rest of your stories below, it boils down to the need for improvements in managing the staff & the situation so that you don't get drivers who lose their way around or forgotten their passports or passes etc. !
Perhaps Handal Indah can benefit from the expertise of running bus operations from some ex-TIBS management staff ?!? I should think it timely HI hire some of them over especially in view of 'retrenchments' @ SMRT of many ex-TIBS staff who seem no longer needed here !
A passenger ever told me that she normally boards the CW3 in the mid-morning which is during off-peak as she has a totally different working hour from us. And there was once she waited 1&1/2 hour at Gelang Patah for the S'pore-bound bus. She was so turned-off that she decided sheÂ’ll no longer board CW3 when going to work, except only when returning from SÂ’pore. So it does seem that it is very difficult for HI to meet the needs of the few passengers during off-peak without resulting in losses on its end. It also causes HI to lose more and more passengers as people began to discover that it is not very ideal to take CW3 to SG during off-peak.
So what is the implication if HI decide to only run CW3 during the peak hours or fix a certain service timing, say between 5.30am–12nn & 5pm -11pm and weekends round the clock? Will HI suffer greater loss if it pours in more concentrated efforts to meet only the needs of the working class during weekdays? -
Right. In small towns, though the frequency might be a bus every hour, the bus always departs at, say, 1000, 1100, 1200 etc. The passengers can plan their journeys quite accurately with little frustration, which in turn helps maintaining passenger loyalty, and the bus company can reduce the number of loss-making trips during off-peak periods.Originally posted by hseochin:The frequency need not be too frequent due to the lower passenger loading during the off-peak hours but they have to ensure more puntuality to make up for any reduced frequency as it boils down to time planning i.e. not being @ the bus-stop too early or end up waiting too long due to any near-misses ! -
Well, talk about small towns, maybe CW3 should not have its starting base from Kotaraya. It's kinda ridiculous to begin from Kotaraya actually 'coz those who are already at JB town will enter S'pore by causeway. Isn't it??Originally posted by hannwei:Right. In small towns, though the frequency might be a bus every hour, the bus always departs at, say, 1000, 1100, 1200 etc. The passengers can plan their journeys quite accurately with little frustration, which in turn helps maintaining passenger loyalty, and the bus company can reduce the number of loss-making trips during off-peak periods.
CW3 can make Gelang Patah its main station or HQ and from there provide shuttle buses ferring passengers from nearby residential areas like Tun Aminah, Tmn Perling, Bkt Indah, etc. Wouldn't it be wiser to shorten its route and increase the frequencies?
Or maybe CW3 should aim at the northern region of Johor, e.g. Ulu Tiram, Masai, Skudai, etc. for the 2nd Link route. -
CW3 mainly for ppl from Jurong East > GP > BI and
and another link from GP > BI > TUTA > Skudai > Bandar
no one will so gila and take from Jurong East to Bandar! -
Agreed. The residential areas add on to the revenue as it is a very costly route (because of the tolls at the 2nd link). I hope it continues to bring in profits or they will have no choice but to withdraw or cut short the routeOriginally posted by 105090:CW3 mainly for ppl from Jurong East > GP > BI and
and another link from GP > BI > TUTA > Skudai > Bandar
no one will so gila and take from Jurong East to Bandar!