CW3: Jurong East Int - Larkin/Kota Raya II Ter

• purplecrazed

  27 Oct 05, 09:18

  Oh, i just found out from a driver yesterday that the blue-uniformed guy who insulted us on tuesday evening (25-Oct-05) isn't a Malay... he's a Sikh. The call him "Singh". No wonder he looks a bit Indian but speaks like a pure Malay... I thot he was an indian muslim / "mamak".
  
  Anyway, i also heard that he IS a part-time taxi driver!
• purplecrazed

  27 Oct 05, 10:45

  Whatever Mr. Singh was so fed-up with, it was wrong of him to throw insults at the passengers. And itÂ’s not right of him to give such a lame excuse that drivers are throwing in the towel because theyÂ’re annoyed with our complaints. In first place, if their service had been satisfactory, we wouldnÂ’t have voiced anything negative. In fact, if it had been exceptionally good, weÂ’d have even heaped praises on CW3 and its fame would have spread far and wide.
  
  I know when he said, “Sebab kamu tak faham masalah kami..”, he meant that many a times delay of buses is caused by events beyond their control like a massive traffic jam at the start of Tmn Perling, the bus broke down or had a tyre punctured, driver on MC, driver have to buka puasa, etc. etc. But that’s THEIR PROBLEM… the management staff who run this business… weren’t they taught in business school about Murphy’s Law which says “If anything can go wrong, it will.”? These sort of problems are nothing new. In fact, the solutions should have been there even before the problem starts. The management should have come out with a better SOP (Standard Operational Procedure) in tackling all these foreseen hiccups.
  
  Yesterday, the bus we boarded from JE was also the same bus that drove us back to Bkt Indah-Tmn Perling but the driver said heÂ’d drove up to Perling Mall only, then make a loop back to Gelang Patah. Yup, that should be it! That should be the way to do things... Thumbs up for that! CÂ’mon, if they already know full well thereÂ’s gonna be a heavy jam coming in to Tmn Perling from Bandar during the peak hour, then they should station one CW3 at Perling Mall beforehand. I donÂ’t see any harm or disadvantage in thatÂ… In fact, itÂ’s better that during peak hour they shorten the route for CW3, make it Perling Mall-Gelang Patah loop service.
  
  And if knowing full well that buses may break down, then HI should ensure regular maintenance of its fleet. ItÂ’s just like the airplane. You canÂ’t afford to have it break down when itÂ’s already up there in the sky, right?
  
  What I cannot tolerate is when Mr. Singh said “Ini bukan salah kami dan bukan salah office…ini semua pasal kamu banyak sangat complain…” With this kind of attitude, “Patutlah pekerja and syarikat masih mundur…”
  
  If Mr. Singh felt sandwiched between the management and the passengers, then there should be a better way to handle the pressure rather than throw it the people whoÂ’s paying his salary. Since our 3 dollar is peanut to him, then he should quit and go drive his taxi full-time!
  
• 105090

  27 Oct 05, 19:21

  all these goes to shows..
  Its SO hard to please everyone (and)
  a sign that those drivers dont like Singaporeans/ Singapore as a whole and is buay song, but because of a need for source of income, they bo pian have to drive bus...
  
  btw, are there ever such amazing stories on Express Buses or those normal JB buses?
  
  and i hate to say, SG ppl are really a complain king, so it makes sense that those CW3 drivers cannot tahan after weeks and months of complaining?
• PhyrePhox

  27 Oct 05, 19:36

  Originally posted by 105090:

  all these goes to shows..
  Its SO hard to please everyone (and)
  a sign that those drivers dont like Singaporeans/ Singapore as a whole and is buay song, but because of a need for source of income, they bo pian have to drive bus...
  
  btw, are there ever such amazing stories on Express Buses or those normal JB buses?
  
  and i hate to say, SG ppl are really a complain king, so it makes sense that those CW3 drivers cannot tahan after weeks and months of complaining?

  While I don't agree with that driver's action, even as a Singaporean, I gotta agree with this. Are we spoiled by the standard of our transportation and then complain when we encounter lower standards in others?
• purplecrazed

  28 Oct 05, 10:43

  I don't think so... I think those of us who hv been woking in SG but living in JB have given in alot and hv learned to get used to the different working culture of both countries.
  
  Concerning CW3, most of us passengers hv mellowed down a lot compared to the initial period where we really blew our top whenever there's no buses at GP in the morning. You can't blame us cos we had to get to work but were 30-45mins behind time. We're the ones who had to face our bosses' unhappy faces when we reach office.
  
  But nowadays, passengers of CW3 are already familiar with its schedule as well as its temperaments. In the morning, we are getting pretty good at estimating the bus' arrival time. It's almost as if we have a certain telepathy with the bus. We know it's going to reach our bus stop either 10mins earlier or 10mins later. And if it doesn't appear, we know when the next one is coming & how late we're going to be. It's the same thing with the buses that depart Jurong East in the evening. I've come to realise that it doesn't have a fixed time. It's all up to the time-keeper at the booth who's observing the crowd. He's the one giving orders to the drivers. Anyway, we've have learned to accept the fact that M'sian buses are so unique that they give us new adventures almost everyday...
  
  I don’t think M’sian bus services are of lower standard. Hseochin always say compare apple with apple and orange with orange. In my opinion, M’sian busses can do so much better because the resources and potential is there… but it’s just that we don’t see much improvement because the mentality of the people is very different. Singaporeans are kiasu, always want to be the best or number one and time is money… but M’sians are more relaxed… to them there’s no need to hurry… they are not mastered by time... as for money, well, what they can earn for the day is good enough... work and life is viewed from a different perspective. What is “success” to a S’porean chinese is not the same to a M’sian bumiputera.
  
  ItÂ’s a paradox. On one hand, we know we have to bear with things and get used to the seemingly lower standard of service but how can we not complain when we donÂ’t think itÂ’s justifiable to make us wait 30mins or more at GP. It was the same case again last night. Every time also like thatÂ… how can we not fed-up? We rush to JE to catch an earlier bus but ended up going home the same time with those who took the later bus. CÂ’mon, itÂ’s not as if HI is so poor that it does not enough buses or drivers. After all, the taukay Mr. Teo very kaya what, right? Can build such a big companyÂ… buy so many brand new buses, equipped with latest technology some moreÂ… but who cares how beautiful, how shiny, how cantik, how lawa, how advanced, how high-tech or how modern the buses are if the staff are pea-brained people? Even if thereÂ’re limited buses or drivers, itÂ’s all a matter of learning how to schedule buses in a wiser and more productive way. This is something I cannot understand why it cannot be done.
• purplecrazed

  28 Oct 05, 10:58

  Originally posted by 105090:

  all these goes to shows..
  Its SO hard to please everyone (and)
  a sign that those drivers dont like Singaporeans/ Singapore as a whole and is buay song, but because of a need for source of income, they bo pian have to drive bus...
  
  btw, are there ever such amazing stories on Express Buses or those normal JB buses?
  
  and i hate to say, SG ppl are really a complain king, so it makes sense that those CW3 drivers cannot tahan after weeks and months of complaining?

  Harlow... half of those who take CW3 on a daily basis are the M'sian & Johorean themselves hor? You don't say only Singaporeans take the bus and become complain king or queen... the M'sians living in JB but working in SG are the ones who also cannot tahan the unsatisfactory service...
• 105090

  28 Oct 05, 21:02

  aiya.. its different culture and bus operators issue then ~
  
  i guess if SBS was operating this CW3 route, i guess there wont be so much "daily specials"?
• WiNtEr'SkiLL

  28 Oct 05, 21:21

  nice nice
• PhyrePhox

  29 Oct 05, 01:47

  Originally posted by 105090:

  aiya.. its different culture and bus operators issue then ~
  
  i guess if SBS was operating this CW3 route, i guess there wont be so much "daily specials"?

  I'm still wondering... Are they still experimenting with the routes?
• hseochin

  5 Nov 05, 03:41

  No real need to wonder about that, as comparing SBST 160 to CW1 is approx. enough 'valid' comparision since from Kranji to Kota Raya both operate on largely similar routes !
  
  As i've mentioned to someone before in this forum, CW3 is 'uncharted territory' compared to CW1 & CW2, where long established Singaporean competition exist.
  
  CW1 & 2, i personally observe, have overall done reasonably well & i have to state their service level is not too different from the other operators plying roughly the same routes. Many times i've seen they are more prompt in showing up compared to the others ! Also their buses are the superior class of vehicle compared to those on SBST 160 & 170 although still inferior compared to the finest models used by SJE.
  
  Therefore going by the service levels from CW 1 & 2, even if SBST say were currently operating the same route as CW3, i would overall NOT expect to see much improvements, if any. The sheer vastness of distance & space in Malaysia really does indeed make it much more chellenging to operate in Malaysia, compared to only a small island in Singapore !!
  
  

  Originally posted by 105090:

  aiya.. its different culture and bus operators issue then ~
  
  i guess if SBS was operating this CW3 route, i guess there wont be so much "daily specials"?

• carbikebus

  6 Nov 05, 14:00

  Originally posted by 105090:

  all these goes to shows..
  Its SO hard to please everyone (and)
  a sign that those drivers dont like Singaporeans/ Singapore as a whole and is buay song, but because of a need for source of income, they bo pian have to drive bus...
  
  and i hate to say, SG ppl are really a complain king, so it makes sense that those CW3 drivers cannot tahan after weeks and months of complaining?

  I tend to agree on this very much
• carbikebus

  6 Nov 05, 14:04

  Originally posted by purplecrazed:

  Harlow... half of those who take CW3 on a daily basis are the M'sian & Johorean themselves hor? You don't say only Singaporeans take the bus and become complain king or queen... the M'sians living in JB but working in SG are the ones who also cannot tahan the unsatisfactory service...

  It is because their influenced by Singaporean attitudes!
• purplecrazed

  15 Nov 05, 11:46

  Originally posted by hseochin:

  Therefore going by the service levels from CW 1 & 2, even if SBST say were currently operating the same route as CW3, i would overall NOT expect to see much improvements, if any. The sheer vastness of distance & space in Malaysia really does indeed make it much more chellenging to operate in Malaysia, compared to only a small island in Singapore !!
  
  

  Yeah, I ain't complainin abt CW1 / CW2. I know these 2 services are exceptionally good.
  
  But I don't think SBST would make us wait 30mins at Gelang Patah almost every evening even if the sheer vastness of distance & space of Johor is taken into consideration. Because like I said, any lack or delay of buses can be avoided or tackled beforehand. Just because the landscape is different, doesn't mean that is an excuse to make us sit for 30mins almost every other evenings.
• purplecrazed

  15 Nov 05, 12:40

  Originally posted by hseochin:

  ... even if SBST say were currently operating the same route as CW3, i would overall NOT expect to see much improvements, if any. The sheer vastness of distance & space in Malaysia really does indeed make it much more chellenging to operate in Malaysia, compared to only a small island in Singapore !!
  
  

  If SBST is in CW3's shoe, I doubt SBST will be daunted by the geographical challenge. Thorough planning would have been carried out at every angle to ensure smooth coordination of buses so that there will not be too much time lapses. At least not 30-40mins, harlow..??
• hannwei

  16 Nov 05, 15:31

  Originally posted by purplecrazed:

  But I don't think SBST would make us wait 30mins at Gelang Patah almost every evening even if the sheer vastness of distance & space of Johor is taken into consideration. Because like I said, any lack or delay of buses can be avoided or tackled beforehand. Just because the landscape is different, doesn't mean that is an excuse to make us sit for 30mins almost every other evenings.
  
  

  Actually, the traveling times (x) for CW3 routes (JE <-> GP and GP <-> KR) are bounded most of the time. The former probably exceeds 75 minutes only under very exceptional circumstances that do not appear more than a few times a month. The latter, even with the usual congestion at Perling Interchange and the occasional jam along Jalan Skudai and Jalan Tun Abdul Razak, probably hardly exceeds 90 minutes. If Handal Indah just wants to care about the convenience of terminal users, it just needs to assume a worst case traveling time y, which can be x + 20 minutes, and ensures a connecting bus is ready for departure since z, which may be x - 20 minutes. The terminal departure time 0 has an absolute daily minimum (the start time of operation), and has a fixed gradient (depature internal/number of departures). Just that these may require it to stay away from the "just-in-time" strategy that may not be very suitable for the current CW3 routes, and to deploy a few more buses.
  
• hannwei

  16 Nov 05, 15:34

  Actually, the traveling times (x) for CW3 routes (JE <-> GP and GP <-> KR) are bounded most of the time. The former probably exceeds 75 minutes only under very exceptional circumstances that do not appear more than a few times a month. The latter, even with the usual congestion at Perling Interchange and the occasional jam along Jalan Skudai and Jalan Tun Abdul Razak, probably hardly exceeds 90 minutes. If Handal Indah just wants to care about the convenience of terminal users, it just needs to assume a worst case traveling time y, which can be x + 20 minutes, and ensures a connecting bus is ready for departure since z, which may be x - 20 minutes. The terminal departure time "0" has a global daily minimum (the start time of operation), and a fixed gradient (depature interval/number of departures, where depature interval is ( next "0" - current "0" ) = y + rest time). Just that these may require it to stay away from the " just-in-time " strategy that may not be very suitable for the current CW3 routes, and to deploy a few more buses.
  
• hannwei

  16 Nov 05, 17:33

  For those interested in the Puduraya<->IMM CausewayLink Express service, according to the posters at Jurong East Interchange, the service starts on either 2005-11-18 or 2005-11-19.
  
• hannwei

  16 Nov 05, 19:32

  Sorry, clicked on the wrong stuff...
• hannwei

  17 Nov 05, 12:30

  Originally posted by hannwei:

  Actually, the traveling times (x) for CW3 routes (JE <-> GP and GP <-> KR) are bounded most of the time. The former probably exceeds 75 minutes only under very exceptional circumstances that do not appear more than a few times a month. The latter, even with the usual congestion at Perling Interchange and the occasional jam along Jalan Skudai and Jalan Tun Abdul Razak, probably hardly exceeds 90 minutes. If Handal Indah just wants to care about the convenience of terminal users, it just needs to assume a worst case traveling time y, which can be x + 20 minutes, and ensures a connecting bus is ready for departure since z, which may be x - 20 minutes. The terminal departure time "0" has a global daily minimum (the start time of operation), and a fixed gradient (depature interval/number of departures, where depature interval is ( next "0" - current "0" ) = y + rest time). Just that these may require it to stay away from the " just-in-time " strategy that may not be very suitable for the current CW3 routes, and to deploy a few more buses.
  

  A simple depth-first heuristic search on the solution space done last night found that Handal Indah can have fixed terminal departure times (at JE and KR), and 0 connecting delay (at GP), with 6 buses on each route. For simplicity, 666 is ignored. It is assumed to be identical to the GP<->KR CW3.
  
  The conditions that can be satisfied are:
  
  

  code:

  
  Traveling time (time to travel from one station to the next) :  11
  Biggest deviation of traveling time (maximum deviation accommodated) : 3
  Rest time (rest time for driver and bus) : 1
  Tolerance (wait time of the connecting bus for its latest arrival time and earliest arrival time of the "connected bus") : 5  (I think the value 1 also needs 6 buses)
  

  
  
  To convert the values above to minutes, just multiply it by 60 and then devide by 10, or in short, multiply it directly by 6.
  
  The values below are interpreted in this way: 50 means 0500 hour + 0x6 minutes, 58 means 0500 hour + 8x6 minutes, 133 means 1300 hour + 3x6 minutes.
  
  This is the schedule of the 6 buses that service the JE<->GP route:
  
  

  code:

  
  bus global minimum departure time : 43
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  This is a summary showing the terminal departure times at JE for each bus:
  
  

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  bus global minimum departure time : 43
  bus takes departure time : 43
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  These days the buses do not depart from JE that early. To match such a condition, we just need to remove the entries for the overly-early journeys.
  
  And this is the schedule of the 6 buses that service the GP<->KR route:
  
  

  code:

  
  bus global minimum departure time : 50
  bus can depart at : 50
  bus takes departure time : 50
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  bus takes departure time : 210
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  origin bus arrives earliest at 226
  bus can depart at : 240
  bus can depart at : 270
  bus can depart at : 300
  bus can depart at : 330
  bus can depart at : 360
  bus global minimum departure time : 65
  bus can depart at : 65
  bus takes departure time : 65
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 73
  this bus is available latest from 80
  origin bus arrives earliest at 81
  bus can depart at : 95
  bus takes departure time : 95
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 103
  this bus is available latest from 110
  origin bus arrives earliest at 111
  bus can depart at : 125
  bus takes departure time : 125
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 133
  this bus is available latest from 140
  origin bus arrives earliest at 141
  bus can depart at : 155
  bus takes departure time : 155
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 163
  this bus is available latest from 170
  origin bus arrives earliest at 171
  bus can depart at : 185
  bus takes departure time : 185
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 193
  this bus is available latest from 200
  origin bus arrives earliest at 201
  bus can depart at : 215
  bus takes departure time : 215
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 223
  this bus is available latest from 230
  origin bus arrives earliest at 231
  bus can depart at : 245
  bus can depart at : 275
  bus can depart at : 305
  bus can depart at : 335
  bus can depart at : 365
  bus global minimum departure time : 70
  bus can depart at : 70
  bus takes departure time : 70
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 78
  this bus is available latest from 85
  origin bus arrives earliest at 86
  bus can depart at : 100
  bus takes departure time : 100
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 108
  this bus is available latest from 115
  origin bus arrives earliest at 116
  bus can depart at : 130
  bus takes departure time : 130
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 138
  this bus is available latest from 145
  origin bus arrives earliest at 146
  bus can depart at : 160
  bus takes departure time : 160
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 168
  this bus is available latest from 175
  origin bus arrives earliest at 176
  bus can depart at : 190
  bus takes departure time : 190
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 198
  this bus is available latest from 205
  origin bus arrives earliest at 206
  bus can depart at : 220
  bus takes departure time : 220
  bus can depart at : 250
  bus can depart at : 280
  bus can depart at : 310
  bus can depart at : 340
  bus can depart at : 370
  bus global minimum departure time : 75
  bus can depart at : 75
  bus takes departure time : 75
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 83
  this bus is available latest from 90
  origin bus arrives earliest at 91
  bus can depart at : 105
  bus takes departure time : 105
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 113
  this bus is available latest from 120
  origin bus arrives earliest at 121
  bus can depart at : 135
  bus takes departure time : 135
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 143
  this bus is available latest from 150
  origin bus arrives earliest at 151
  bus can depart at : 165
  bus takes departure time : 165
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 173
  this bus is available latest from 180
  origin bus arrives earliest at 181
  bus can depart at : 195
  bus takes departure time : 195
  bus is meant for connecting to origin departure time 203
  this bus is available latest from 210
  origin bus arrives earliest at 211
  bus can depart at : 225
  bus can depart at : 255
  bus can depart at : 285
  bus can depart at : 315
  bus can depart at : 345
  bus can depart at : 375
  untaken origin departure time : 43
  untaken origin departure time : 48
  untaken origin departure time : 53
  

  
  
  And this is a summary showing the terminal departure times at KR for each bus:
  
  

  code:

  
  bus global minimum departure time : 50
  bus takes departure time : 50
  bus takes departure time : 80
  bus takes departure time : 110
  bus takes departure time : 140
  bus takes departure time : 170
  bus takes departure time : 200
  bus global minimum departure time : 55
  bus takes departure time : 55
  bus takes departure time : 85
  bus takes departure time : 115
  bus takes departure time : 145
  bus takes departure time : 175
  bus takes departure time : 205
  bus global minimum departure time : 60
  bus takes departure time : 60
  bus takes departure time : 90
  bus takes departure time : 120
  bus takes departure time : 150
  bus takes departure time : 180
  bus takes departure time : 210
  bus global minimum departure time : 65
  bus takes departure time : 65
  bus takes departure time : 95
  bus takes departure time : 125
  bus takes departure time : 155
  bus takes departure time : 185
  bus takes departure time : 215
  bus global minimum departure time : 70
  bus takes departure time : 70
  bus takes departure time : 100
  bus takes departure time : 130
  bus takes departure time : 160
  bus takes departure time : 190
  bus takes departure time : 220
  bus global minimum departure time : 75
  bus takes departure time : 75
  bus takes departure time : 105
  bus takes departure time : 135
  bus takes departure time : 165
  bus takes departure time : 195
  

  
  
  This is the first time I do the analysis. Hopefully there are not too many serious errors in the algorithm and implementation.
  
• hseochin

  17 Nov 05, 14:44

  My basic point is that from the demonstrated performance of operating CW1 & CW2, it already gives a certain clear enough picture of the competence of the management via that from the other players also offering roughly similar routes.
  
  Therefore it's the 'same brain' also running the CW3 route so it is most logically & reasonably to be expected that any 'shortcomings' of the CW3 service (versus CW1 & 2) would NOT in much likeihood be due to shortcomings in managing it but more due to other factors which even if the other players were to operate an identical route as them now, these other players would end up NOT performing any differently when faced with the same operational constrains.
  
  Your solutions do seem much more easily said in theory than done in reality, however. I'm afraid the more difficult physical operating environment within Malaysia would continue to give any operator there some 'natural excuses' over any service shortcomings !
  
  

  Originally posted by purplecrazed:

  Yeah, I ain't complainin abt CW1 / CW2. I know these 2 services are exceptionally good.
  
  But I don't think SBST would make us wait 30mins at Gelang Patah almost every evening even if the sheer vastness of distance & space of Johor is taken into consideration. Because like I said, any lack or delay of buses can be avoided or tackled beforehand. Just because the landscape is different, doesn't mean that is an excuse to make us sit for 30mins almost every other evenings.

• hseochin

  17 Nov 05, 14:51

  There's only up to a certain level of benefit which any superior theoritical planning can do, beyond that the real world practical limitations take over & the overall nett performance would tend to be dictated more by the practical limitations than by any theoritical supremacy in planning etc.
  
  

  Originally posted by purplecrazed:

  If SBST is in CW3's shoe, I doubt SBST will be daunted by the geographical challenge. Thorough planning would have been carried out at every angle to ensure smooth coordination of buses so that there will not be too much time lapses. At least not 30-40mins, harlow..??

• surfbabe

  18 Nov 05, 09:00

  Hi everyone,
  
  How's the frequency of the CW3 bus now? Is it more consistent? Sure hope the service has stabilised, now that it's in into its 2nd month of operation. Btw, when the first bus arrive at Gelang Patah? And when does it usually arrive at Jurong East?
  
• kc_leung

  21 Nov 05, 13:52

  bump to cause server to auto-delete 50 cent pictures
• hannwei

  24 Nov 05, 14:51

  Originally posted by surfbabe:

  How's the frequency of the CW3 bus now? Is it more consistent? Sure hope the service has stabilised, now that it's in into its 2nd month of operation. Btw, when the first bus arrive at Gelang Patah? And when does it usually arrive at Jurong East?
  
  

  I do not board CW3 very often these days, but its frequency should still be about one bus every thirty minutes or so. I have never boarded the first bus, but I heard the first bus to Jurong East departs from Gelang Patah at around 0600 or 0610. So, the first CW3 and 666 from the town should reach Gelang Patah around 0545 till 0610. It usually takes about 50 to 70 minutes to get from Gelang Patah to Jurong East Interchange.
  
• 105090

  25 Nov 05, 21:36

  does CW3 waits for ppl at Tuas to reboard?
  
  From J East > Tuas (alight) > tuas (re-board same bus?) > TG Kupang (alight) > TG Kupang (reboard same bus?) OR 666. > city