CW3: Jurong East Int - Larkin/Kota Raya II Ter
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Hmm, I overheard in ShoutBox last month that SBST & Daimler-Chrysler had some kind of dispute regarding poor after-sales service. Whoever said so also rubbished the thought that we would be seeing the OC500s out on the road anytime soon.Originally posted by carbikebus:IMO i think there will be some Merc in SBST fleets,Its a matter of time only.
BTW,Hseochin i do have relatives & Friends working as Officers & Technicians at Various Depots including SMRTB ones.It's only a matter of privacy.
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Think i came across mention of that article earlier in some Malaysian Chinese newspaper.
Maybe the translator (from Chinese to English) didn't translate everything or maybe in the context the original article was written, they meant to say that among Malaysian operators, HI the only current operator plying JB-SGP since Maju i think no longer doing it as well.
I don't think people (in SGP & MY) would be so ignorant of the fact that SBS & SJE have been operating SGP-JB for a few decades already !Originally posted by sbst275:Hmm.. NST BT had some mentioning of this sv
But, something is wrong, and again, the proud Malaysian attitude... Saying HI only operator of SG - JB bus rt, when SBS has been running for 32 yrs -
I fully agree they cannot really force people to use public transport instead of sticking to their cars. But what they can do is to make public transport here appealing enough to swing as much as possible of such people to use public transport !
To me it's something like they cannot really force people to not use the airport as a place to loiter around to do their study. Instead they have resorted to building new & better libraries & upgrading existing ones to bring these more up to the same class of enivronment as the airport buildings, so that more such people would use the airport less & the libraries more instead ! Having toured the new national library HQ, i can say it's indeed a very expensive building with 3 or 4 storey high ceilings to air-con & the vast expanse of space inside it. I think it's possibly more grand than the airport ! So they use such an approach instead of chasing people out of the airport !!
Therefore in the area of transport, i'll logically also expect a broadly similar approach whereby they don't really need to prevent people from using their cars ! Instead they jack up the standard of public transport to such a class that more people find it attractive enough to use & end up using more of it.
ERP, COE & parking fees are only very superfictial fiscal financial instruments they can use to try to regulate & limit the growth of the vehicle population.
These have to continue to be used but using these does not imply they don't have to bother to jack up the appeal of public transport here !! I'll say they have to do both as both tasks complement each other with the resultant objective of shifting as much private transport usage over to public transport as possible.
The overall costs of private car transport here would NOT be cheaper.
Because eventhough they reduce the ownership cost of cars, the usage costs of cars would go up instead ! Bear in mind cars need land to park on & land is in short supply on this small island, so anything that requires land for it to exist here do not expect it to be 'cheap' into the future !
Talking about knowing friends & relatives working in SMRT, how is this Friends of TIBS thing going nowadays ? The last i knew of it was in June 2000 when i met up with Tan Hup Foi & Piper, among some others from TIBS while attending the launch ceremony for the Hispano Habit here. Also remember talking with the Hispano chairman & Malaysian GM for Voith....both of them seem very young to me !! Nowadays seems like there's more & more young bosses with older assistants ! Only hope they are just as competent as the older bosses !Originally posted by carbikebus:This is the replies from most senior techs and SBST Officials.Yup i knew this is Singapore but the motto is as long the interior are clean,Fine then its fine.There's no way you can restrict or force car owners to take public transport.It's their choices.As this is a very small country the only option that Govt can raises the ERP/Parking/COE Charges.In future the situation will be>Cheaper car prices but maximum road/Parking charges.IMO,Even If they bring a world-Class buses for the public,But if peoples still prefer cars then the situation are still the same right?MY Only hopes that both operators buy more stepless buses,Convienance for the elderly/Pregnant/Childrens
IMO i think there will be some Merc in SBST fleets,Its a matter of time only.
BTW,Hseochin i do have relatives & Friends working as Officers & Technicians at Various Depots including SMRTB ones.It's only a matter of privacy. -
I've not heard of any such poor after-sales service between SBST & Daimler.
But i do believe C&C M-B in Singapore thinks that their (i.e. C&C M-B) pre-sales service is better than the after-sales service !
Anycase, i also do believe nowadays Daimler is more 'busy' serving the Malaysian market than Singapore. Maybe they're learning something from MAN i.e. since the Singapore market is so small & especially with SBST already 'pre-occupied' with Volvo (since Delgro is Volvo's distributor here) Daimler might as well focus more on Malaysia instead !!
I observe the newer generation of air-suspended charged-cooled M-B's are becoming popular in Malaysia in the last few months. Transtar, HI & now Nadi (Transnational) seem the larger Malaysian operators buying them in larger volume. I sense in Singapore there's 'something in the pipeline' but it seems to be a private transport operator buying instead, prefering the M-B's over Scania ! But volume-wise Daimler can expect to sell more in Malaysia than Singapore with the long term sales potential seeming better than in Singapore.
BTW, anyone taken any photos of the dashboard instrumentation panel of these new M-B's used by HI & Transnational ?? I don't think they are Travegos in bus-chassi form eventhough the LCD/LED panel with twin-circular dials look similar to the Travego's. But the 'eye lid' part seems taken from the O 405 !
Rest seems brand-new in design & styling.Originally posted by iveco:Hmm, I overheard in ShoutBox last month that SBST & Daimler-Chrysler had some kind of dispute regarding poor after-sales service. Whoever said so also rubbished the thought that we would be seeing the OC500s out on the road anytime soon.
With regards to the B9TLs, Jack says they might not appear this month. What about Christmas? -
Sometimes i feel that it's boring enough for me to see at all those Public buses especially SBST ones.All they care is only cheap spare parts/Bond with a single manufacturers only.Don't they'll think it's heytime fro SG to have all Stepless Citybuses?Originally posted by hseochin:I fully agree they cannot really force people to use public transport instead of sticking to their cars. But what they can do is to make public transport here appealing enough to swing as much as possible of such people to use public transport !
To me it's something like they cannot really force people to not use the airport as a place to loiter around to do their study. Instead they have resorted to building new & better libraries & upgrading existing ones to bring these more up to the same class of enivronment as the airport buildings, so that more such people would use the airport less & the libraries more instead ! Having toured the new national library HQ, i can say it's indeed a very expensive building with 3 or 4 storey high ceilings to air-con & the vast expanse of space inside it. I think it's possibly more grand than the airport ! So they use such an approach instead of chasing people out of the airport !!
Therefore in the area of transport, i'll logically also expect a broadly similar approach whereby they don't really need to prevent people from using their cars ! Instead they jack up the standard of public transport to such a class that more people find it attractive enough to use & end up using more of it.
ERP, COE & parking fees are only very superfictial fiscal financial instruments they can use to try to regulate & limit the growth of the vehicle population.
These have to continue to be used but using these does not imply they don't have to bother to jack up the appeal of public transport here !! I'll say they have to do both as both tasks complement each other with the resultant objective of shifting as much private transport usage over to public transport as possible.
The overall costs of private car transport here would NOT be cheaper.
Because eventhough they reduce the ownership cost of cars, the usage costs of cars would go up instead ! Bear in mind cars need land to park on & land is in short supply on this small island, so anything that requires land for it to exist here do not expect it to be 'cheap' into the future !
Talking about knowing friends & relatives working in SMRT, how is this Friends of TIBS thing going nowadays ? The last i knew of it was in June 2000 when i met up with Tan Hup Foi & Piper, among some others from TIBS while attending the launch ceremony for the Hispano Habit here. Also remember talking with the Hispano chairman & Malaysian GM for Voith....both of them seem very young to me !! Nowadays seems like there's more & more young bosses with older assistants ! Only hope they are just as competent as the older bosses !
FOTIBS?I can't be bothered even with FOSBST Let alone FOTIBS 
In fact those bosses actually had little knowledge on buses,The internal staffs know a lot more 
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Have you acknowledge or inform him before you posted his nameOriginally posted by iveco:With regards to the B9TLs, Jack says they might not appear this month. What about Christmas?
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That is what he told sbst275 in shoutbox more than a week ago.Originally posted by carbikebus:Have you acknowledge or inform him before you posted his name -
Well, its very obvious the B9TL won't appear this month. They are delivered as bare chassis only. It will take severel more months for putting the bodywork, wiring, interior finishing, painting and road test.
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Introduction of services CW3 and 666 from Causeway Link
A bus similar to the one below was spotted at Jurong East today. Will it be the ones used for CW3?
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Hmm, the poster says there will be a KL express from IMM in Jurong. Any idea when is it starting? Also,what make is the bus in the photo?
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Looks like O 405 to me?
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FOr one, the O405 has a horizontal underfloor engine. THe radiator grill of the bus in question doesn't look like that of an O405.Originally posted by carbikebus:Looks like O 405 to me?
Also, the signature cap? (that thing in the centre of the front axle) can't be seen clearly. The OH series ones are hexagonal with the Merc symbol, while those of the O405 are plain round. -
It is definitely not an O405. Its VIN indicates that it is a Brazilian chassis. Also, the rear seats are placed higher, which means that the engine is mounted vertically. As for the front wheel, the centre is a polygon with the Mercedes star.
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Then what model is this may i know?Is the steps high?Pardon my ignorancesOriginally posted by The_Bus_Guide:It is definitely not an O405. Its VIN indicates that it is a Brazilian chassis. Also, the rear seats are placed higher, which means that the engine is mounted vertically. As for the front wheel, the centre is a polygon with the Mercedes star.
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The bus likes to make 1 detour bef getting to Larkin, getting to Western JB 1st. Does it go to Ulu Choh or near by?
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does anyone knows how much the bus fares would cost? l remember that when the 2nd link first opened in 1998, the fare from Tuas to Taman Perling (M'sia) was S$4.50 on the defunct Maju 262.
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It never go to Ulu Choh, the nearest point to Ulu Choh is Gelang Patah. The svc is not really mean for S'poreans heading to JB, for me, I might as well take 160 from Jurong East since it goes to JB straight, nevertheless the massive human jam at JB checkpoint. The svc is more useful to the M'sians working/schooling in the Western side of Sg and stay in the Western side of JB, as well as S'poreans who are heading to the Western JB area.Originally posted by sbst275:The bus likes to make 1 detour bef getting to Larkin, getting to Western JB 1st. Does it go to Ulu Choh or near by?
Anyway, dun think it would be that popular as of the fares -
are there any service guides for this new services.
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Couldnt be. And i dont think HI have them do they?Originally posted by carbikebus:Looks like O 405 to me? -
It depends, higher cost @ Linkedua, but if bth kena jam, usually Causeway side clear fasterOriginally posted by PJ_Quek:It never go to Ulu Choh, the nearest point to Ulu Choh is Gelang Patah. The svc is not really mean for S'poreans heading to JB, for me, I might as well take 160 from Jurong East since it goes to JB straight, nevertheless the massive human jam at JB checkpoint. The svc is more useful to the M'sians working/schooling in the Western side of Sg and stay in the Western side of JB, as well as S'poreans who are heading to the Western JB area. -
Just guessing,Brazilian Merc chassis?
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To the best of my knowledge, there's no O 405 in HI's present fleet.
But what their using is newer generation than O 405, also with 3-step low-floor city-bus design with air-suspension & charged-cooled single-exhaust pipe engine. Suspension ride comfort perhaps slightly improved above O 405 standards, which i'll regard as currently among the best in Singapore.Originally posted by carbikebus:Looks like O 405 to me? -
I think I've found the model for our Mercedes bus. It is either a CBC 1725 or an IBC 1632. I think it is the 1725 (17 000 kg GVW, 250 hp. Just nice!) I mean, the 1632 (320 hp) is a tad too powerful for a citybus, although it would be very nice indeed! Whichever model it really is, the specs are quite good. Check it out!
http://www.mercedes-benz.com.my/amw/emb/my/0,,0-332-174795-1-151006-1-0-0-0-0-0-2431-154779-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html -
Do you think the engine is also mounted transversely ?
Note the bodywork design whereby the floor is uniformly low & level almost all the way inside but only suddenly rising by 1 or 2 steps @ the last 1 or 2 rows of seats.
The Saab-Scania N113 used in Singapore something like that & in their case, the engine's transverly mounted.
I've been informed that in more recent times, M-B bus-chassi tend to be produced in Portugal or Brazil with lower volume from Germany itself. So i won't be surprised if OC 500 series is also produced outside Germany !
The OM 457 engine series used on the Citaro does also exist in OM 457 LA form in transverse configuration when used on the Travego coach. But i strongly suspect in HI's buses, it's the OM 926 LA instead. What do you think ??
HI seems to have 3 different dashboard instrumentation panel designs on their fleet of new generation M-B bus-chassi although all use the 4-spoke steering-wheel more similar to Travego than Citaro. I note the engine used on those with the 2-dial dashboard design is different from the higher end version with the LCD lighted display in the middle between the 2 dials vaguely similar to Travego.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:It is definitely not an O405. Its VIN indicates that it is a Brazilian chassis. Also, the rear seats are placed higher, which means that the engine is mounted vertically. As for the front wheel, the centre is a polygon with the Mercedes star. -
I doubt that it is transversely mounted. From the picture on the webpage that I linked, the belts are found facing the rear, which suggests a conventional driveline. If it is transversely mounted, then the belts will be facing the side.
According to the website, the CBC 1725 and IBC 1632 both use an OM 906LA II engine, the former having a capacity of 6374 cc producing 245 hp and the latter a capacity of 7200 cc producing 326 hp.
I haven't seen the dash upclose because I've never rode the bus. So, I can't make any comments either.Originally posted by hseochin:Do you think the engine is also mounted transversely ?
Note the bodywork design whereby the floor is uniformly low & level almost all the way inside but only suddenly rising by 1 or 2 steps @ the last 1 or 2 rows of seats.
The Saab-Scania N113 used in Singapore something like that & in their case, the engine's transverly mounted.
I've been informed that in more recent times, M-B bus-chassi tend to be produced in Portugal or Brazil with lower volume from Germany itself. So i won't be surprised if OC 500 series is also produced outside Germany !
The OM 457 engine series used on the Citaro does also exist in OM 457 LA form in transverse configuration when used on the Travego coach. But i strongly suspect in HI's buses, it's the OM 926 LA instead. What do you think ??
HI seems to have 3 different dashboard instrumentation panel designs on their fleet of new generation M-B bus-chassi although all use the 4-spoke steering-wheel more similar to Travego than Citaro. I note the engine used on those with the 2-dial dashboard design is different from the higher end version with the LCD lighted display in the middle between the 2 dials vaguely similar to Travego.