CW3: Jurong East Int - Larkin/Kota Raya II Ter
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The standard gearbox is M-B 6-speed manual, which i think is cheaper than an automatic. Maybe they targeting this chassi @ a wider market so they put the lower cost features as standard unless the customer wants an 'upsize' ?
HI does use ZF automatic, but mainly on those with kampong roof bodies & as for the contemporary body types (like on CW3) they use both types of gearbox.
The automatic gearbox is as usual noisier than the manual, with much whinning during acceleration but becomes as quiet as the manual once final gear reached.
BTW, even the O 405 did have manual gear option although the standard item is automatic it seemed.
From my observations & sensing, there seems to be 3 different engine & chassi models of such M-B new generation (i.e. with 4-spoke steering-wheel) air-suspended charged-cooled bus-chassi in use in Malaysia. Hi may be using 2 out of the 3 models. Transtar the 3rd model with Mtrans coachwork, where the engine sounds more MAN-like & with single tapered-down exhaust pipe as on the Travego & newer OC 500 series. HI's models the single-exhaust pipe is straight out on the rear-right instead & with 2 different sounding engines & 2 different dashboard instrumentation panels.
The model with the higher end dashboard they only use on the JB-KL express which comes with the more 'resonating' engine. I believe that's the IBC 1632. The other model with the more commonly seen dashboard (also as used by Transtar & few others) they use on CW3 & few other routes within JB. This i believe is the CBC 1725. I won't rule out that the OC 500 may also be in-use in Malaysia now. OC 500 i've been informed is a very 'broad' description which encompasses many models like 1830, 1832 maybe even a 1840 etc. Nowadays the Malaysian market for M-B bus-chassi is moving higher end to the over 300 BHP class.
A likeable thing about HI is that they give the driver the chance to fine-tune the air-con settings such the level of coolness is more suited to the situation @ hand i.e. not being excessively cold till condensation occurs which mists up the windows & causing discomfort rather than comfort ! Most HI buses i've been on the air-con is set in the 'ok' range & not over done. Only a few cases (like many cases here unfortunately on SBST) were the air-con set ridiculously cold that the driver doesn't know how to adjust & wears jacket instead !!Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:Sounds very exciting. I'll give it a shot this weekend. For a citybus chassis, I find it interesting that it was fitted with a manual transmission (going retro, perhaps?). I thought it was automatic. Which makes me wonder, is it the same type of chassis as the ones used for the Causeway Link Express? -
Originally posted by hseochin:
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(like many cases here unfortunately on SBST) were the air-con set ridiculously cold that the driver doesn't know how to adjust & wears jacket instead !!
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I ever taken CW2 & was impressed by the driver's patience to fine tune the temperature setpoint by finely rotating a vertical knob on the dashboard many times until finally satisfactory !
As a result, there were no condensation on the glass & not over-cooled i.e. within accepatable levels of coolness. The fan speed on the overhead unit was also not too unnecessarily high & was quite quiet as such, which helps to keep the interior noise levels down for more passenger comfort.
But on many SBST buses i've been on, the drivers don't seem bothered & simply leave everything on automatic mode it seems & as a result, the interior is excessively overcooled till plenty of condensation all over till have to use wipers !! Not only that, the fan blower set @ maximum speed even around mid-nite e.g. & of course it becomes very noisy as well, making the 2 or 3 passengers inside uncomfortable overall so much so it's better under those circumstances to take a non-a/c bus !! & pay less too.
I understand it may be because the operators here don't want the drivers to fiddle with the air-con settings & delegate such tasks to the service personnel instead ?? BUT from the results which are so clearly seen so far, it's obvious such an approach is NOT practical !
The local operators can perhaps learn something from HI when it comes to sensible air-con management on the bus i.e. educate the drivers on how to adjust the temparatures & fan speed to suit the constanly changing environment in the bus interior such it's never too hot or too cold !
Seems these 'automatic SMART' controls etc. don't function as effectively as claimed on paper or in theory so 'on the ground', manual intervention by the driver would still remain justifiable & necessary. Then you won't get stupid situations of drivers (& passengers) wearing jackets in an air-con bus with condensation all over the glass & noisy & over breezy blower fans like as if it's some cold storm inside & paying air-con fare supposely for comfort but end up more uncomfortable than on non-air-con under such situations !
I notice SBST used to install thermometers inside the bus & now it's gone.
I'll say it's sensible to refit the thernometers so that everybody knows what the temperature is for whatever fare they pay for & the drivers be given the know how to fine-tune the air-con settings as & when needed to ensure compliance within the setpoint temperature range as expected from people paying air-con fares i.e. not too hot BUT also not too cold as well. The service level are then deemed to have been satisfactorily met as long as the actual interior temperatures (shown by such a thermometer for all to see) fall within the setpoint range.Originally posted by carbikebus:LOL -
The traveling times look reasonable. The old Maju bus took about 50 minutes (inclusive of everything) to get from Tuas Interchange to Perling Mall.Originally posted by hseochin:Kota Raya to Taman Perling 30 mins.
Taman Perling/Sutera to Bukit Indah, another 10 mins.
Bukit Indah to Johor CIQ complex, another 10 mins.
Johor CIQ complex to Tuas CIQ complex, another 10 mins.
Tuas to Jurong East Interchange, another 20 mins.
Does anyone know if there are public car parks at the Johor CIQ complex? Thinking of parking there. Otherwise, will have to consider alternatives such as Gelang Patah (free), Bukit Indah (free), Taman Perling (Jalan Rawa? [non-free] Perling Mall? [free] ...). Thanks.
By the way, does the bus pass by the central town park of Bukit Indah, or the area at which a Petronas gas station is located? -
LOL AgainOriginally posted by hseochin:I ever taken CW2 & was impressed by the driver's patience to fine tune the temperature setpoint by finely rotating a vertical knob on the dashboard many times until finally satisfactory !
As a result, there were no condensation on the glass & not over-cooled i.e. within accepatable levels of coolness. The fan speed on the overhead unit was also not too unnecessarily high & was quite quiet as such, which helps to keep the interior noise levels down for more passenger comfort.
But on many SBST buses i've been on, the drivers don't seem bothered & simply leave everything on automatic mode it seems & as a result, the interior is excessively overcooled till plenty of condensation all over till have to use wipers !! Not only that, the fan blower set @ maximum speed even around mid-nite e.g. & of course it becomes very noisy as well, making the 2 or 3 passengers inside uncomfortable overall so much so it's better under those circumstances to take a non-a/c bus !! & pay less too.
I understand it may be because the operators here don't want the drivers to fiddle with the air-con settings & delegate such tasks to the service personnel instead ?? BUT from the results which are so clearly seen so far, it's obvious such an approach is NOT practical !
The local operators can perhaps learn something from HI when it comes to sensible air-con management on the bus i.e. educate the drivers on how to adjust the temparatures & fan speed to suit the constanly changing environment in the bus interior such it's never too hot or too cold !
Seems these 'automatic SMART' controls etc. don't function as effectively as claimed on paper or in theory so 'on the ground', manual intervention by the driver would still remain justifiable & necessary. Then you won't get stupid situations of drivers (& passengers) wearing jackets in an air-con bus with condensation all over the glass & noisy & over breezy blower fans like as if it's some cold storm inside & paying air-con fare supposely for comfort but end up more uncomfortable than on non-air-con under such situations !
I notice SBST used to install thermometers inside the bus & now it's gone.
I'll say it's sensible to refit the thernometers so that everybody knows what the temperature is for whatever fare they pay for & the drivers be given the know how to fine-tune the air-con settings as & when needed to ensure compliance within the setpoint temperature range as expected from people paying air-con fares i.e. not too hot BUT also not too cold as well. The service level are then deemed to have been satisfactorily met as long as the actual interior temperatures (shown by such a thermometer for all to see) fall within the setpoint range.
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I can get cock eyes after reading this guy's post....Originally posted by carbikebus:LOL Again -
The Maju 262 i recall went into Gelang Patah terminal while on the way to Tuas from Larkin, so naturally the journey should be longer.
Now with CW3, from Perling Mall to Jurong East Interchange, i recall it takes about 50 mins.
Of course from Tuas to Jurong East, if going by SBST, it takes much longer than 20 mins. since there's no direct link via SBST & those 2 routes of theirs wind in & out of the factory areas quite some time wastage there.
I recall there may be public car parks @ Johor CIQ complex. Gelang Patah would seem out of the way to me to park, since then you'll change over to route 666 to reach there from Johor CIQ bus-stop. If you stay in Bukit Indah (which i vaguely recall you once said you have a house there ?) then might as well park in Bukit Indah. Coming from Perling & going pass quite some new housing developments in Bukit Indah, CW3 stops just shortly before turning left onto the expressway heading torwards Tuas. But Bukit Indah seems very big & spread out estate so might be difficult to decide on where best to park there ?! Perling Mall might be convinent since CW3 also stops opposite Perling Mall.
I don't know where's central town park of Bukit Indah, but i recall CW3 went pass some very new buildings, some looking like condonimiums or houses behind gated compounds with quite high class looking frontage with security sentry for vehicles going in & out of it. But i saw already occupied new looking houses on the right & still under construction shophouses on the left while heading towards Tuas. Maybe there was a Petronas fuel station on the opposite side of the expressway after coming out of Bukit Indah & heading towards Tuas ?
I think you should be able to make out something from my description since you should know that area better. By the way, are the semi-d & bungalows in Taman Sutera completed yet ?? Might just want to buy 1 unit there for self occupation later !Originally posted by hannwei:The traveling times look reasonable. The old Maju bus took about 50 minutes (inclusive of everything) to get from Tuas Interchange to Perling Mall.
Does anyone know if there are public car parks at the Johor CIQ complex? Thinking of parking there. Otherwise, will have to consider alternatives such as Gelang Patah (free), Bukit Indah (free), Taman Perling (Jalan Rawa? [non-free] Perling Mall? [free] ...). Thanks.
By the way, does the bus pass by the central town park of Bukit Indah, or the area at which a Petronas gas station is located? -
What does these mean ??Originally posted by carbikebus:LOL Again
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The 3 steps height about same as O 405 & the floor is largely flat, from the entrance till the rear axle where it then rises a little with a raised platform below the seats, also similar to on the O 405. This i classify as entry-level low floor citybus. It's not ultra low-floor though because low profile tyres not used & not zero steps.
What model ? This uses HI's own bodywork but with the headlamp & rear lampset taken from the O 580 i.e. Travego coach ! They try to copy Travego's front grill but omited the fog-lamps eventhough the 'imprint' was 'stamped' on the bumper.
The M-B bus-chassi used should be CBC 1725 in the Malaysian way of describing the model but i believe the more complete model description would be O 500 /1725-CBC i.e. this model from the new generation O 500 series, which it seems how the Australian & Brazilian markets know it as. I believe it's essentially the same as OC 500 series as known in other markets like Germany. I was told 'OC' means 'omnibus chassi' so if they just say 'O 500' then may result in confusion since technically that can mean an integraly constructed coach with original M-B bodywork + chassi. There exist O 404 in chassi form but O 404 tends more associated as an original M-B coach i.e. with coachwork & chassi all from M-B. So i suppose in later time they devised this term 'OC' for the generation after the O 404 like O 500 etc. to make clear OC 500 is only bus-chassi (without the M-B bodywork) for those buying this way. But it seems in Australia & Brazil they tend not use the term 'OC' so they refer to the OC 500 still as O 500 etc. but knowing the background their O 500 cannot possibly be an integral coach or bus but only in bus-chassi form instead.
The engine model used in CBC 1725 i note is OM 906 LA, which is basically the same engine model as on the Citaro which uses it in OM 906 hLA form i.e. flips it flat instead of standing vertical on the chassi. Other differences seems to be difference in 1 valve per cylinder i.e. in CBC 1725 it's 24-valve engine but in Citaro only 18-valves. Overall looking @ this engine & noting the specs., i see the highest output from this 6374 cc model is 279 BHP with Euro-3 emission standard, which seems quite impressive in view of the small cc. [Volvo in the B9TL would use a much bigger cc engine to match this, which doesn't sound so efficient to me ?!]
But, with other factors kept constant, a Euro-3 rated model should be more expensive than Euro-2 rated model eventhough otherwise largely the same thing. So they likely specified it only to Euro-2 level for the same engine in CBC 1725 for Malaysian use to keep the price down. But nice to note the potential of having Euro-3 from the same engine + with higher power output as well.Originally posted by carbikebus:Then what model is this may i know?Is the steps high?Pardon my ignorances
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Laugh Out Loud especially where many BCs voice out their suggestions to the management about this air-con manual setting thing.Their obvious reasons"Wait BCs anyhow set the temp of the air-con" believe it or not Mr HseoChin my dear friendOriginally posted by hseochin:What does these mean ??
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Hmm,Some sort like Malaysian & Australian MAN 18.280 Where the latter uses front disc brakes while the former use drum insteadOriginally posted by hseochin:The 3 steps height about same as O 405 & the floor is largely flat, from the entrance till the rear axle where it then rises a little with a raised platform below the seats, also similar to on the O 405. This i classify as entry-level low floor citybus. It's not ultra low-floor though because low profile tyres not used & not zero steps.
What model ? This uses HI's own bodywork but with the headlamp & rear lampset taken from the O 580 i.e. Travego coach ! They try to copy Travego's front grill but omited the fog-lamps eventhough the 'imprint' was 'stamped' on the bumper.
The M-B bus-chassi used should be CBC 1725 in the Malaysian way of describing the model but i believe the more complete model description would be O 500 /1725-CBC i.e. this model from the new generation O 500 series, which it seems how the Australian & Brazilian markets know it as. I believe it's essentially the same as OC 500 series as known in other markets like Germany. I was told 'OC' means 'omnibus chassi' so if they just say 'O 500' then may result in confusion since technically that can mean an integraly constructed coach with original M-B bodywork + chassi. There exist O 404 in chassi form but O 404 tends more associated as an original M-B coach i.e. with coachwork & chassi all from M-B. So i suppose in later time they devised this term 'OC' for the generation after the O 404 like O 500 etc. to make clear OC 500 is only bus-chassi (without the M-B bodywork) for those buying this way. But it seems in Australia & Brazil they tend not use the term 'OC' so they refer to the OC 500 still as O 500 etc. but knowing the background their O 500 cannot possibly be an integral coach or bus but only in bus-chassi form instead.
The engine model used in CBC 1725 i note is OM 906 LA, which is basically the same engine model as on the Citaro which uses it in OM 906 hLA form i.e. flips it flat instead of standing vertical on the chassi. Other differences seems to be difference in 1 valve per cylinder i.e. in CBC 1725 it's 24-valve engine but in Citaro only 18-valves. Overall looking @ this engine & noting the specs., i see the highest output from this 6374 cc model is 279 BHP with Euro-3 emission standard, which seems quite impressive in view of the small cc. [Volvo in the B9TL would use a much bigger cc engine to match this, which doesn't sound so efficient to me ?!]
But, with other factors kept constant, a Euro-3 rated model should be more expensive than Euro-2 rated model eventhough otherwise largely the same thing. So they likely specified it only to Euro-2 level for the same engine in CBC 1725 for Malaysian use to keep the price down. But nice to note the potential of having Euro-3 from the same engine + with higher power output as well. -
Like some Chinese saying, you pay 1 cent get 1 cent of goods !
But nice to note that overall the differences are minor, because they can
subsequently upgrade it themselves just like they replace spare parts in routine servicing later on. It could work out cheaper that they keep the initial OMV down by specifying only the basics when buying the entire vehicle chassis, due to the stupid %-age based nature of some of these taxes. Then later on they 'quietly' buy the upgrade parts as spare parts form (i.e. not as part of a complete bus-chassis etc.) so as to attract possibly lower taxes on the parts since bough seperately & do the modifications during maintenance servicing.
I believe such practice quite common in the car industry, whereby they import a model in it's most basic specs. (to minimise tax exggerations) then subsequently import the upgrade parts in parts form (not part of any complete car) & overall paying lower taxes hence keeping costs down while still utimately getting the car up to the required higher specs. level.
BTW, O 405 uses all round drum brakes although O 404 is all round disc brakes, for tour coach use. But i recall once onboard an O 405 the driver did emergency brake from ~ 40 km/h to zero with only ~ 3 meters to a taxi in front !! What happened you think ? The braking force was extremely hard but still managed to dead stop without touching that idiot infront, who didn't get moving eventhough the traffic light was green ! No retarder or other secondary braking seemed to be used (@ such road speeds) so the braking effort would be mostly if not 100 % primary, via the drum brakes. If disc brakes used, i suppose the distance a little lesser, with less heat generated i.e. for citybus use, benefits of disc over drum brakes not tend to be as great as when for tour coach use on highways or mountaineous roads etc.Originally posted by carbikebus:Hmm,Some sort like Malaysian & Australian MAN 18.280 Where the latter uses front disc brakes while the former use drum instead -
singaporeans want everything 100% automatic.. cant be helped.. and now automatic, ppl complainOriginally posted by carbikebus:Laugh Out Loud especially where many BCs voice out their suggestions to the management about this air-con manual setting thing.Their obvious reasons"Wait BCs anyhow set the temp of the air-con" believe it or not Mr HseoChin my dear friend -
dun quite understand u....it is the management tat wans auto-AC control but iz the BC complain ok...and to hseochin.....u tok about this AC tinggy long time liao....and we oreadi said tat it is not up to the BC....so wad u could do iz to write to papers(which onli this method they will consider seriously)about their AC control and compare them wif HI...den they will learn their mistakes(and i hope they will, esp SMRT, coz SMRT buses can be as cold as freezer and as hot as oven.....the CAC are oven and the habits care freezer....Originally posted by 105090:singaporeans want everything 100% automatic.. cant be helped.. and now automatic, ppl complain -
Something Interesting hereOriginally posted by hseochin:I ever taken CW2 & was impressed by the driver's patience to fine tune the temperature setpoint by finely rotating a vertical knob on the dashboard many times until finally satisfactory !
As a result, there were no condensation on the glass & not over-cooled i.e. within accepatable levels of coolness. The fan speed on the overhead unit was also not too unnecessarily high & was quite quiet as such, which helps to keep the interior noise levels down for more passenger comfort.
But on many SBST buses i've been on, the drivers don't seem bothered & simply leave everything on automatic mode it seems & as a result, the interior is excessively overcooled till plenty of condensation all over till have to use wipers !! Not only that, the fan blower set @ maximum speed even around mid-nite e.g. & of course it becomes very noisy as well, making the 2 or 3 passengers inside uncomfortable overall so much so it's better under those circumstances to take a non-a/c bus !! & pay less too.
I understand it may be because the operators here don't want the drivers to fiddle with the air-con settings & delegate such tasks to the service personnel instead ?? BUT from the results which are so clearly seen so far, it's obvious such an approach is NOT practical !
The local operators can perhaps learn something from HI when it comes to sensible air-con management on the bus i.e. educate the drivers on how to adjust the temparatures & fan speed to suit the constanly changing environment in the bus interior such it's never too hot or too cold !
Seems these 'automatic SMART' controls etc. don't function as effectively as claimed on paper or in theory so 'on the ground', manual intervention by the driver would still remain justifiable & necessary. Then you won't get stupid situations of drivers (& passengers) wearing jackets in an air-con bus with condensation all over the glass & noisy & over breezy blower fans like as if it's some cold storm inside & paying air-con fare supposely for comfort but end up more uncomfortable than on non-air-con under such situations !
I notice SBST used to install thermometers inside the bus & now it's gone.
I'll say it's sensible to refit the thernometers so that everybody knows what the temperature is for whatever fare they pay for & the drivers be given the know how to fine-tune the air-con settings as & when needed to ensure compliance within the setpoint temperature range as expected from people paying air-con fares i.e. not too hot BUT also not too cold as well. The service level are then deemed to have been satisfactorily met as long as the actual interior temperatures (shown by such a thermometer for all to see) fall within the setpoint range.
ANTIECOLOGY - HONG KONG/CHINA - 'Arctic conditions' inside malls and buses blasted
Hong Kong,China -The Standard, by Winnie Chong -Jun 27 2005: -- Hong Kong's ''big chill'' is getting people hot under the collar... The Lonely Planet 1998 edition on Hong Kong says the "temperatures are set so low inside public buses you may find your extremities turning blue"... According to Friends of the Earth, 24 percent out of the 266 complaints received were about temperatures inside public transport... Of these, 60 percent complained about buses... Chu said passengers complained buses were so cold that they needed to wear jackets and sweaters... He said adjusting air-conditioners one degree Celsius higher can save 3 percent on electric bills... If public places and transportation can set their indoor temperature at 25.5C, HK$1 billion could be saved, Chu added...
Sources:World bus news -
About SMRT (TIBS) vehicles, based on my more recent trips aboard their buses, i noted the situation is now more 'down to earth' in that no more condensation on glass areas & air-con blower not excessively windy & more quiet as such & the interior temperatures now within acceptable ranges.
The air-con compressor cuts-in only when cooling required again & this also makes for a quieter ride since the compressor (hence drony noise) is not (wastefully) kept ON all the time. That's more like what i experienced onboard HI's buses & most outstation coaches & that's what it should be !
Don't know if you've noticed how silent the air-con can be on coaches from KL to JB or SGP from quite a few operators ?? That's because they all bother to set it properly i.e. just cool enough & not over breezy the same time as too much wind blowing also no good as it dries up the skin faster causing discomfort of another kind !
As for writing to THOSE papers, i don't find it too different than if i write it here ! That's because afterall, both are essentially still forums just that it's on paper there while it's paperless here instead. Both would still get read utimately by the public & even their own staff as i'm NOT that naive to believe that NONE ?? of the staff from the major transport operators here would know of the existence of this bus forum & not read the posts here ?!?? Afterall, they are in the bus industry & it's really in their interest to bother to least take some 'glances' @ what's happening in this bus forum so therefore not likely @ all that they can claim ignorance to the existence of this forum & the posted material contained within it.
Another good reason to me why i dislike writing to THOSE papers is because i value my privacy & as such don't like to disclose my name, IC#, address, phone etc. & etc. just over 1 letter !! I don't need the whole world to know my real name (or who i am for that matter) i'm most glad they just take note of what i've got to say & act (positively) upon it ! That's good enough for me. I reject this idea of theirs that in order for them take one's letter 'seriously' etc. they 'need' to know the real name of the writer !! That's rubbish to me. I expect them to evaluate one's feedback based purely on the merits of the feedback & NOT be sidetracked as to bother WHO is writing the feedback ! As if it's someone 'important' writing then they take it seriously else if it's just some nobody making noise, then they don't take it seriously ?!? Obviously that cannot make sense & must never be so !Originally posted by alex_cai92:dun quite understand u....it is the management tat wans auto-AC control but iz the BC complain ok...and to hseochin.....u tok about this AC tinggy long time liao....and we oreadi said tat it is not up to the BC....so wad u could do iz to write to papers(which onli this method they will consider seriously)about their AC control and compare them wif HI...den they will learn their mistakes(and i hope they will, esp SMRT, coz SMRT buses can be as cold as freezer and as hot as oven.....the CAC are oven and the habits care freezer.... -
Setpoint @ 25.5 Celcius ? i believe the actual interior temperatures of quite a number of those here only from 15 to 20 Celcius !! Ridiculous say the least.
Not only wasting more fuel, but more wear & tear on the compressor as @ such temperatures, the compressor NOT likely have any chance to rest so is working almost 100% the time, which also makes the interior much noisier than necessary due to the drony noise it makes especially when the engine speeds rises !
Those like to rely on whatever 'SMART automatic' type of air-con controls high time they wake up to the reality of the limitations in the real world ! They need to realise that ultimately human intervention by the driver IS still necessary to get the most sensible temperatures in the interior.Originally posted by carbikebus:Something Interesting here
ANTIECOLOGY - HONG KONG/CHINA - 'Arctic conditions' inside malls and buses blasted
Hong Kong,China -The Standard, by Winnie Chong -Jun 27 2005: -- Hong Kong's ''big chill'' is getting people hot under the collar... The Lonely Planet 1998 edition on Hong Kong says the "temperatures are set so low inside public buses you may find your extremities turning blue"... According to Friends of the Earth, 24 percent out of the 266 complaints received were about temperatures inside public transport... Of these, 60 percent complained about buses... Chu said passengers complained buses were so cold that they needed to wear jackets and sweaters... He said adjusting air-conditioners one degree Celsius higher can save 3 percent on electric bills... If public places and transportation can set their indoor temperature at 25.5C, HK$1 billion could be saved, Chu added...
Sources:World bus news -
Then what about the air-con controls on taxis ??
I'm sure they can entrust the taxi drivers to set sensibly the air-con so that's it's never too far out of acceptable range ??
So to me it's the same principle. If they can trust the taxi drivers to handle the air-con on the taxis 'properly' (no good reason why not !) then they are also expected to be able to entrust the bus drivers the same responsibilities for them to make sensible adjustments as when needed on the buses they drive !
Some people need to wake up to the seeming fact that SMART automatic controls still have their limitations & as such not really that SMART enough yet compared to human manual fine-tuning adjustments to produce acceptable temperatures ! Otherwise there won't be such ridiculous situations of people wearing jackets inside air-con buses with condensation so bad that wipers have to be used...on a fine sky nite !Originally posted by carbikebus:Laugh Out Loud especially where many BCs voice out their suggestions to the management about this air-con manual setting thing.Their obvious reasons"Wait BCs anyhow set the temp of the air-con" believe it or not Mr HseoChin my dear friend -
There won't be complains IF these automatic stuff work to what's theorically expected from them BUT in the real world, that's often not the case so human manual fine-tuning would still be necessary.Originally posted by 105090:singaporeans want everything 100% automatic.. cant be helped.. and now automatic, ppl complain
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I rode CW3 from Kotaraya II today and got quite a shock. From earlier posts I understand that the trip form Jurong East to Kotaraya is S$3.00. I was dumbstruck when I found that the return trip costs RM7.50!
(At first I thought that the driver was joking but he's not!) Perhaps that explains the lack of passengers going into Singapore. So, I'd like to hear some views about this. -
I was also somewhat surprised when told of the RM 7.5 fare from Kota Raya to Jurong East Interchange. But they reasoned it by saying they work out the fare on the basis of convertion from S$ fare, which i understand is S$ 3.20 from Jurong East to Kota Raya. Seems they won't be as generous as in CW2 or like SJE & blindly consider the same numerical amount like S$ 2.4 or RM 2.4 in those cases. Understandable in view of the huge distances of this route which i believe is much longer than that covered by CW1, CW2, SJE, SBST 170 or 160 !!
Also the higher toll charges of 2nd Link & JB Parkway tolls, which i noted on my trip costs ~ RM 10.30 per bus for JB Parkway alone.
From my observations, i don't think they expect the bulk of the passengers heading for Jurong East to board from Kota Raya, mainly because they know there's other potentially faster ways to reach Jurong East from Kota Raya under normal traffic conditions. They instead expect most heading for Singapore on CW3 to board somewhere down the route, like from Perling region onwards towards the West side. Therefore the fares they actually pay to Singapore would then be lower, due to the stepped-fare structure.
If you're @ Perling you're already roughly half-way between Jurong East & Kota Raya so that it then makes much sense to use CW3 instead of finding your way back to Kota Raya & switching over to SBST 160 etc. to get Jurong East.
Vice-versa for those from Jurong East heading up to say Perling area.
Only in the more exceptional situations would it be expected that people board from Singapore on CW3 & head all the way to Kota Raya end. So i suppose HI won't be too bothered of any complains of the higher fare of RM 7.5 or S$ 3.2 noting the travel profiles of most of their passengers on CW3.
BTW, what time did you take CW3 from Kota Raya ? How was the Causeway traffic situation then ? How was the 2nd Link traffic too ?
On my trip to Singapore which was in the evening (clearly off-peak time as such), noted 5 passengers including myself heading for Singapore, most got onboard only after Perling area. Dozen or so got off earlier after getting on from Kota Raya area. But saw almost half-full bus in opposite direction coming from Singapore.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:I rode CW3 from Kotaraya II today and got quite a shock. From earlier posts I understand that the trip form Jurong East to Kotaraya is S$3.00. I was dumbstruck when I found that the return trip costs RM7.50! (At first I thought that the driver was joking but he's not!) Perhaps that explains the lack of passengers going into Singapore. So, I'd like to hear some views about this. -
usually it should be S$3 from singapore, RM3 from malaysia.. they playing cheat!!Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:I rode CW3 from Kotaraya II today and got quite a shock. From earlier posts I understand that the trip form Jurong East to Kotaraya is S$3.00. I was dumbstruck when I found that the return trip costs RM7.50! (At first I thought that the driver was joking but he's not!) Perhaps that explains the lack of passengers going into Singapore. So, I'd like to hear some views about this. -
Hmm... There are shops of a few stories tall surrounding the central town park. As for gated compounds, there is one beside the show village, also near the central town park. Other gates visible from the potential routes probably do not look high class enough. Will have to wait until I have returned home to figure out the route. Thanks.Originally posted by hseochin:I recall there may be public car parks @ Johor CIQ complex. Gelang Patah would seem out of the way to me to park, since then you'll change over to route 666 to reach there from Johor CIQ bus-stop. If you stay in Bukit Indah (which i vaguely recall you once said you have a house there ?) then might as well park in Bukit Indah. Coming from Perling & going pass quite some new housing developments in Bukit Indah, CW3 stops just shortly before turning left onto the expressway heading torwards Tuas. But Bukit Indah seems very big & spread out estate so might be difficult to decide on where best to park there ?! Perling Mall might be convinent since CW3 also stops opposite Perling Mall.
I don't know where's central town park of Bukit Indah, but i recall CW3 went pass some very new buildings, some looking like condonimiums or houses behind gated compounds with quite high class looking frontage with security sentry for vehicles going in & out of it. But i saw already occupied new looking houses on the right & still under construction shophouses on the left while heading towards Tuas. Maybe there was a Petronas fuel station on the opposite side of the expressway after coming out of Bukit Indah & heading towards Tuas ?
There are new houses and new shops at Taman Sutera Utama. Should be close to completion now. I think they are again three-story linked houses, not semi-detached or bungalows.
I think you should be able to make out something from my description since you should know that area better. By the way, are the semi-d & bungalows in Taman Sutera completed yet ?? Might just want to buy 1 unit there for self occupation later !
The construction of semi-detached houses in Bukit Indah started quite a while ago. Might complete after another half a year. They are about five to ten minutes of walk from the show village. -
Since when was there any regulation from any party which stipulates that every S$ 1 must be matched to only RM 1 ?!? I recall never have such requirement.
Nowadays Malaysia already removed their US$ peg & going more free market with the currency.Originally posted by 105090:usually it should be S$3 from singapore, RM3 from malaysia.. they playing cheat!! -
SJE, CW1, CW2, 170 160 is pay in RM dollar for ringgitOriginally posted by hseochin:Since when was there any regulation from any party which stipulates that every S$ 1 must be matched to only RM 1 ?!? I recall never have such requirement.
Nowadays Malaysia already removed their US$ peg & going more free market with the currency.