Swapping of SMRT Buses and NEL?
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Reference: Sat, 03.09.05 ST, home
With NEL getting into profitbility and SMRT Buses revenue shrinking due to ineffiencency... Swapping seems to be in the talk... -
yeah.. the picture is getting clear.. the market is too small..Originally posted by sbst275:Reference: Sat, 03.09.05 ST, home
With NEL getting into profitbility and SMRT Buses revenue shrinking due to ineffiencency... Swapping seems to be in the talk...
SMRT spokeswoman Ms Saw, even said SMRT will only acquire NEL if they were paid, but ComfortDelgro boss Mr Lim JP said they arent talking about selling, maybe buying (SMRT).
still.. its just a game by the government..government has high stakes in both companies.. so of cos, the profits still goes to their pockets, tho a restructuring excercise means better flexibility, better planning and more revenue to be earned.
Do note that ALL industries in SG is bound to have competitors.. so if talking bout monopoly of rail and bus, it sounds ironic!!
and yes.. Gov. wants a share in all industries, even recycling
also, it does not seems that even with 2 operators, there is competition as both operates diff areas and equities..
competition as in operating nearly parallel routes, with differences in fares. this scene is similar to petrol comapnies.. no competition at all.. and m not laughing.. -
Hope the swapping or merger come true. At last we can get some decent service at BP.
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Aft further reading, SMRT Buses suffered terrible losses
2004 H1 profit was $4.6M
Now is $1.9M -
ComfortDelGro only wanna expand not swapOriginally posted by 105090:yeah.. the picture is getting clear.. the market is too small..
SMRT spokeswoman Ms Saw, even said SMRT will only acquire NEL if they were paid, but ComfortDelgro boss Mr Lim JP said they arent talking about selling, maybe buying (SMRT).
still.. its just a game by the government..government has high stakes in both companies.. so of cos, the profits still goes to their pockets, tho a restructuring excercise means better flexibility, better planning and more revenue to be earned.
Do note that ALL industries in SG is bound to have competitors.. so if talking bout monopoly of rail and bus, it sounds ironic!!
and yes.. Gov. wants a share in all industries, even recycling
also, it does not seems that even with 2 operators, there is competition as both operates diff areas and equities..
competition as in operating nearly parallel routes, with differences in fares. this scene is similar to petrol comapnies.. no competition at all.. and m not laughing..
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SMRT doesn't know how to run the bus service. Ever since they take over the bus serrvice, how many new serivce did they introduce. Plus they don't know have much advertising revenue compare to SBS Transit.
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SMRT should just spin off their bus ops as New Tibs Holdings. The old Trans Island management were certainly better. As I said before, not allowing SMRT total control over the subways was a gaffe.
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Already only left 1 Tibs kaki in SMRTOriginally posted by iveco:SMRT should just spin off their bus ops as New Tibs Holdings. The old Trans Island management were certainly better. As I said before, not allowing SMRT total control over the subways was a gaffe.
Anyway, 1 rail operator that is SMRT will pose disaster to NEL -
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Anyway, 1 rail operator that is SMRT will pose disaster to NEL
I don't think there is much problem SMRT controlling NEL. Now SMRT have control train, bus and cab service. They don't much resource to let them do that. They use their manpower for the train system. Same for SBS Transit. -
SBST was smart. They brought in fully automatic trains for the NEL. SMRT's CCL will still be driver-operated.Originally posted by joelwinston2005:I don't think there is much problem SMRT controlling NEL. Now SMRT have control train, bus and cab service. They don't much resource to let them do that. They use their manpower for the train system. Same for SBS Transit. -
I thought i read in the ST that the CCL line is following SBST NEL using fully automatic train.
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Really?Originally posted by joelwinston2005:I thought i read in the ST that the CCL line is following SBST NEL using fully automatic train.
I remember a few years back, the news reported the CCL trains were normal ones, like the rest of the SMRT fleet. Just that their capacity was half of those serving EWL and NSL. -
No. CCL trains are fully driverless, just like the NEL.Originally posted by iveco:Really? I remember a few years back, the news reported the CCL trains were normal ones, like the rest of the SMRT fleet. Just that their capacity was half of those serving EWL and NSL. -
What I mean the person running...Originally posted by joelwinston2005:[quote]
Anyway, 1 rail operator that is SMRT will pose disaster to NEL
I don't think there is much problem SMRT controlling NEL. Now SMRT have control train, bus and cab service. They don't much resource to let them do that. They use their manpower for the train system. Same for SBS Transit.
If NEL losing $$ and have a boss like now, the frequency would be like 10 mins to make it into profitability -
Only dif is that CCL is 3 carriage while NEL is 6 carriageOriginally posted by iveco:Really? I remember a few years back, the news reported the CCL trains were normal ones, like the rest of the SMRT fleet. Just that their capacity was half of those serving EWL and NSL.
Number of capacity, NEL is much much more based on distance if it is taken into factor -
Same model? holey...Originally posted by sbst275:Only dif is that CCL is 3 carriage while NEL is 6 carriage
Number of capacity, NEL is much much more based on distance if it is taken into factor
BTW i dun really agree wif the idea. With SBST having a monopoly, u couldnt imagine wat will happen. And now, gov is also playing a role here... -
but NELs is beginning to make money liao... just give them a few more yrs.. ridership had went passed the 200,000 mark..Originally posted by sbst275:What I mean the person running...
If NEL losing $$ and have a boss like now, the frequency would be like 10 mins to make it into profitability -
Hey but SBS monopoly days in 1970's was OKOriginally posted by SBS9828X:Same model? holey...
BTW i dun really agree wif the idea. With SBST having a monopoly, u couldnt imagine wat will happen. And now, gov is also playing a role here... -
But having such a boss whats fat earningOriginally posted by sBs_boy:but NELs is beginning to make money liao... just give them a few more yrs.. ridership had went passed the 200,000 mark.. -
Then why was Tibs holdings set up at all?Originally posted by sbst275:Hey but SBS monopoly days in 1970's was OK -
OTC felt need compeition... End up majority of Tibs rt were taken over rtsOriginally posted by iveco:Then why was Tibs holdings set up at all? -
If anyone of us read the Straits Times
UBS Investment Research analyst Cheong Kwok Wing said that SMRT would not gain much by taking over the NEL, as its trains are different from those used on the other lines, and need different operating and maintenance skill.
In the few year times, SMRT is also using driverless train. They also need to learn how to using it right. If they really take over NEL they don't need start from scratch. -
Yea but end up, system is dif...Originally posted by joelwinston2005:If anyone of us read the Straits Times
UBS Investment Research analyst Cheong Kwok Wing said that SMRT would not gain much by taking over the NEL, as its trains are different from those used on the other lines, and need different operating and maintenance skill.
In the few year times, SMRT is also using driverless train. They also need to learn how to using it right. If they really take over NEL they don't need start from scratch.
NEL uses chapbalang system, CCL is fully Alstom -
Except Yishun trunk and feeders, of course. Tibs also tried to link SKG with the city but SBST getting the NEL tender put paid to their expansion plans in the northeast.Originally posted by sbst275:OTC felt need compeition... End up majority of Tibs rt were taken over rts -
And now, theres the gov 'interfering'Originally posted by sbst275:Hey but SBS monopoly days in 1970's was OK