Feeders and Townlinks hotter in SMRT than in SBST
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I missed those LAs on 222 & 291 on their final years in 2000, as well as VO2x serving on 291 especially. Nowadays, VO2x are now commonly seen on JIS.Originally posted by sinicker:the DDs on 222 and 291 seem to have disappeared. what we all know is that the DDs on 291 are nw on 19.
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Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:
yes, remembered taking them in 1998/1999. used to take them almost everyday to play Tamiya at Blk 201 there.
I missed those LAs on 222 & [b]291 on their final years in 2000. [/b]
some BCs know how to speed with them, especially frm the bus stop outside blk 237 to the bus stop outside blk 230 there. -
Why 307 don't deserve bendies? Since 307 is full-load of Regent Sec & Unity Sec, they should have deployed bendies.
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For me, I took LAs on Svc 291 frequently in 2000, especially SBS4990S & SBS4997Z, before the last of LAs were withdrawn. I knew some LAs were withdrawn, especially with the rego range of 16xx, 55xx, 68xx & 69xx.Originally posted by sinicker:/
yes, remembered taking them in 1998/1999. used to take them almost everyday to play Tamiya at Blk 201 there.
some BCs know how to speed with them, especially frm the bus stop outside blk 237 to the bus stop outside blk 230 there.
As for Svc 302, LAs with Alexander L were used in 1994, but were later replaced by Volvo B10M Mk IIs somewhere in 1995. VO2x were also used on Svc 302 & 307 if I'm not wrong. -
DDs on Svc 222 are Spare DDs.Originally posted by tanjun:Yesterday, I just saw a dd on service 222 resting on bedok bus interchange. Heheh. Don't know whether it is permanent. -
The feeder services for SBST I think is better at places like Tampines where population density is high as compared to Serangoon. Sigh!!! Serangoon doesn't seem like a bustling town.
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Ahem.....frequency for BB feeders are still the same for SMRT compared to SBST...in fact, even better, back then, the load for 361 was too much to handle that 361 had to use LAs....n later 367 had to use VO2x....but right now....the frequency is slightly better....that is why bendies are no longer used...Originally posted by sbst275:Nothing to do with demand
It is just the frequency
for 911, 912 and 913, u can't blame them for their late frequency, blame the massive jam instead...one time, the jam was so unbearable that 178 returned to WDL as a quad...
check 903, i ride most of the time...the load is extremely high, 5 mins 1 bus....but is dependent on the jam as well.....
YSH and CCK feeders(except 307) are of course well received....
So don't jump to conclusions....waiting for a bus for 35 min due to the jams don't mean that SMRT is not efficient.....fyi, WDL CTR RD is now a 2 direction rd.....part of it though...this is for easier detour for buses heading towards WDL REG INT -
No reason for the jamOriginally posted by muziq bus:Ahem.....frequency for BB feeders are still the same for SMRT compared to SBST...in fact, even better, back then, the load for 361 was too much to handle that 361 had to use LAs....n later 367 had to use VO2x....but right now....the frequency is slightly better....that is why bendies are no longer used...
for 911, 912 and 913, u can't blame them for their late frequency, blame the massive jam instead...one time, the jam was so unbearable that 178 returned to WDL as a quad...
check 903, i ride most of the time...the load is extremely high, 5 mins 1 bus....but is dependent on the jam as well.....
YSH and CCK feeders(except 307) are of course well received....
So don't jump to conclusions....waiting for a bus for 35 min due to the jams don't mean that SMRT is not efficient.....fyi, WDL CTR RD is now a 2 direction rd.....part of it though...this is for easier detour for buses heading towards WDL REG INT
By right, the time sheet, traffic conditions have to be considered if it occurs daily
Sv 903 loading I know is high. That is comparable to 242 -
The Teck Whye Lane very narrow thats why cannot have bendiesOriginally posted by Apex-LW'21:Why 307 don't deserve bendies? Since 307 is full-load of Regent Sec & Unity Sec, they should have deployed bendies. -
Why don't 307 have Green & White Plate, just like SBST feeders? For me, Green Plate is for CCK St 62 and White Plate is for Teck Whye Lane.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:The Teck Whye Lane very narrow thats why cannot have bendies -
Back then in 1996, WDL has 7 feeders. Svc 901 only starts from WCT not from Woodlands Reg Int. For WRI, Svc 900, 902 & 903 terminates there.
Soon after, most residents of WDL ST 81 complained of its Svc 901, terminating at WCT. So Tibs introduced Svc 904 to maintain the link between WRI-WCT, while Svc 901 will terminate at WRI instead.
Svc 904, 905 & 906 mainly uses NAC MB O405, and Svc 900-903 uses Nissan Diesel U31RCN & Hino HT238K buses.
Later, 6 feeders were merged to form Intratown Svcs.
Svc 901 & 900
Svc 911
Svc 905 & 902 Svc 912
Svc 906 & 904 Svc 913
Svc 912 uses OAC & NAC MB O405 in 2000, and full Bendies fleet on 912 in 2002. -
Then what is the rationale of having it merged in the first place? it will be just like the former services 301 & 303.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Why don't 307 have Green & White Plate, just like SBST feeders? For me, Green Plate is for CCK St 62 and White Plate is for Teck Whye Lane. 
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307 don't serve Teck Whye when the LRT opens in 1999 but restored in 2002. TIBS 307 in 1999 used bendies.Originally posted by cck_190:Then what is the rationale of having it merged in the first place? it will be just like the former services 301 & 303. -
In the 1990s, a feeder service 301 was set up to serve the teckWhye area. As Teck Whye, it was expanded until almost similar to the route of 307 in Teck Why today. In 1995(if i'm not wrong), Feeder 303 was made to serve the then-undeveloped area of Choa Chu kang North. It's original route was just until Choa Chu Kang North 5, eventually, as HDB dwellers moved in to the north, it was extended up to Yew Tee MRT.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:307 don't serve Teck Whye when the LRT opens in 1999 but restored in 2002. TIBS 307 in 1999 used bendies.
Come 1997, SBS was at the verge of introducing a new concept service, Townlinks. Following the success of Tampines townlinks, CCK followed suit when SBS merged 301 & 303 to form Townlink 307. Under SBS, 307 used Volvo MK3s, VO2X, and some old leyland & merc 0405. Occasionally, just like now, a "higher-class" bus, the Volvo Olympian & Leyland Olyampian 3X came.
In 1999, when Tibs took over, 307 remained until somewhere 2000. This was when Tibs cut short the Intra-Town and it became a feeder.At this time, DAFs and sometimes MB0405G Many Teck Whye residents who lived there complained to the MPs around there(that's what was said in the news) and it became a big issue. once the issue of 307 even appeared in the news. Tibs gradually extended it first with a completely different route during the 2001 general elections. When over, tibs restored the full old route back with a few changes, and the called it an "ENHANCEMENT" by THEM...when it is actually just a restoration of the old service. This was when the fleet of CAC 0405s came in. there you go, history of Townlink 307...a service which celebrates it's 15th anniversary this year
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BBDEP never had any O305s. They were based mainly at HGDEP, with a minority at AMDEP.Originally posted by cck_190:In the 1990, a feeder service 301 was set up to serve the teckWhye area. As Teck Whye, it was expanded until almost similar to the route of 307 in Teck Why today. In 1995(if i'm not wrong), Feeder 303 was made to serve the then-undeveloped area of Choa Chu kang North. It's original route was just until Choa Chu Kang North 5, eventually, as HDB dwellers moved in to the north, it was extended up to Yew Tee MRT.
Come 1997, SBS was at the verge of introducing a new concept service, Townlinks. Following the success of Tampines townlinks, CCK followed suit when SBS merged 301 & 303 to form Townlink 307. Under SBS, 307 used Volvo MK3s, VO2X, and some old leyland & merc dds. Occasionally, just like now, a "higher-class" bus, the Volvo Olympian & Leyland Olyampian 3X came.
In 1999, when Tibs took over, 307 remained until somewhere 2000. This was when Tibs cut short the Intra-Town and it became a feeder.At this time, DAFs and sometimes MB0405G Many Teck Whye residents who lived there complained to the MPs around there(that's what was said in the news) and it became a big issue. once the issue of 307 even appeared in the news. Tibs gradually extended it first with a completely different route during the 2001 general elections. When over, tibs restored the full old route back with a few changes, and the called it an "ENHANCEMENT" by THEM...when it is actually just a restoration of the old service. This was when the fleet of CAC 0405s came in. there you go, history of Townlink 307...a service which celebrates it's 15th anniversary this year
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What do you mean no reason for the jams?Originally posted by sbst275:No reason for the jam
By right, the time sheet, traffic conditions have to be considered if it occurs daily
Sv 903 loading I know is high. That is comparable to 242
WDL CTR RD is da usual spot for jams.....
it does not really occur daily nor does it occur at a specific time...the jams come randomly and unplanned....
u can't simply blame the frequency sheet...
i once waited for 168 for 35-40 mins at TAM.....driver said bus breakdown....
and there was one time where WDL had no 168 and 161 coming in due to congestion....
u can't blame spreadsheet
just be there at the right place at the right time...
of all my 911/912/913 rides....i waited only once for more than 20 mins...
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Sorry...that was a typo. i meant merc 0405Originally posted by iveco:BBDEP never had any O305s. They were based mainly at HGDEP, with a minority at AMDEP. -
Feeder 302 & 303 was introduced in 1994, not 1995.Originally posted by cck_190:In the 1990, a feeder service 301 was set up to serve the teckWhye area. As Teck Whye, it was expanded until almost similar to the route of 307 in Teck Why today. In 1995(if i'm not wrong), Feeder 303 was made to serve the then-undeveloped area of Choa Chu kang North. It's original route was just until Choa Chu Kang North 5, eventually, as HDB dwellers moved in to the north, it was extended up to Yew Tee MRT.Originally posted by cck_190:
In 1999, when Tibs took over, 307 remained until somewhere 2000. This was when Tibs cut short the Intra-Town and it became a feeder.At this time, DAFs and sometimes MB0405G Many Teck Whye residents who lived there complained to the MPs around there(that's what was said in the news) and it became a big issue. once the issue of 307 even appeared in the news. Tibs gradually extended it first with a completely different route during the 2001 general elections. When over, tibs restored the full old route back with a few changes, and the called it an "ENHANCEMENT" by THEM...when it is actually just a restoration of the old service. This was when the fleet of CAC 0405s came in. there you go, history of Townlink 307...a service which celebrates it's 15th anniversary this year.
307 was cut short due to LRT rationalisation. In 2000, Hino HT238K and Nissan U31RCN that were deployed on 175 do appear on 300, 302 & 307 for a brief period. Due to feedback from Teck Whye residents, 307 was enhanced to serve the residents of Teck Whye.
Svc 300 has also Green & White Plate if I'm not wrong. -
856/ 178/ 913? are allowed to skip Woodlands Centre Rd if there is jams if i'm not wrongOriginally posted by muziq bus:What do you mean no reason for the jams?
WDL CTR RD is da usual spot for jams.....
it does not really occur daily nor does it occur at a specific time...the jams come randomly and unplanned....
actually, the Traffic jams can be easily predicted, or rather, there is a fixed pattern.. example is in the mornings, towards KB at Wooldlands Crossing, Bas Kilang/ Bas Perkerja will flood the viaduct
on Weekends and Sundays/ PH especially, the jams gets more famous due to malaysian workers returning to SGP to work, and many singaopreans families going to JB to shop and eat, and more people means more alert for the guards, so means more checks and delay again.
Fridays maybe also may have jams ~ ..
OR.. maybe the commander/ officer that day a bit gila and ordered more stringent checks
but then.. leaving/ entering singapore is such a BIG hassle (checks and more checks) for vehicles that theres fewer locals leaving singapore to JB nowadays.
A few years back, the jams were worse.. lorries lined up along BKE until the KJE exit.. -
Back then in 1988, Tibs SS1 uses SBS MB OF1417 since Tibs had a shortage of buses. So Tibs leased some SBS MB OF1417 to cope with the bus fleets, pending the arrival of additional new vehicles. SBS1632X, SBS5574D, SBS5576Z, SBS5577X and SBS5583G were the examples.
In the book SINGAPORE BUSES Vol. 1, SINGAPORE BUS SERVICE (by DTS Publishing), you will see SBS5577X in Tibs livery, serving SS1.
Together with Hino RK176, the SBS MB OF1417 were served on Yishun & Woodlands feeders. -
NopeOriginally posted by muziq bus:What do you mean no reason for the jams?
WDL CTR RD is da usual spot for jams.....
it does not really occur daily nor does it occur at a specific time...the jams come randomly and unplanned....
u can't simply blame the frequency sheet...
i once waited for 168 for 35-40 mins at TAM.....driver said bus breakdown....
and there was one time where WDL had no 168 and 161 coming in due to congestion....
u can't blame spreadsheet
just be there at the right place at the right time...
of all my 911/912/913 rides....i waited only once for more than 20 mins...
If there is a jam, then the time sheet has to reflect it... No reason for buses to be late if the jam reguarly appears...
This same goes to many SBS trunk svs -
Don't believe that SMRT has done much. Many people were stranded at the bus stop just outside the Woodlands train checkpoint. (hope you know where it is)Originally posted by sbst275:Nope
If there is a jam, then the time sheet has to reflect it... No reason for buses to be late if the jam reguarly appears...
This same goes to many SBS trunk svs
Highlighted in blue, the jam occured every Saturday, standard, guaranteed, testified and been thru it before. Due to the jam, the only public buses that can spotted along Woodlands Centre Rd (the section after junction of BKE and Woodlands Rd) were mostly 950 and 170 only. Why 950 and 170? Because they not affected much by jam at the junction as they turned left to upon clearing customs, as you can see. However, 170 and 950 also will take some time to arrive, due to the jam in the causeway.
Other services (like 856[towards Yishun direction], 911,912 and 913) took a very very long time to filter thru the jam. Not to forget 178.
I have seen 911 and 912 dropped passengers off Marsiling Rd, and head back to Woodlands Int (perhaps?), as there were 911 and 912 buses stucked in the jam already, these buses will serve the passengers when they filter thru the jam, no point asking the 911 and 912 buses (of later schedule) to join in the jam.
As for 903 wise, passengers were told to alight at Woodlands Centre Rd, somewhere after the mosque. Nowadays the jam stretched until the junction of Woodlands Centre Rd and Marsiling Rd.
This has been testify personally before.
Sincerely hope SMRT to deploy their buses using the newly drawn opposing lane at Woodlands Centre Rd, and make an "illegal" U-turn just before the Woodlands Centre carpark entrance, to pick the passengers stranded at that particular bus stop (after the junction of BKE and Woodlands Rd), so that those buses that were stucked in the jam will not affect the frequency too much. -
Yes, testified, guaranteed and being thru it personally before.Originally posted by 105090:856/ 178/ 913? are allowed to skip Woodlands Centre Rd if there is jams if i'm not wrong
actually, the Traffic jams can be easily predicted, or rather, there is a fixed pattern.. example is in the mornings, towards KB at Wooldlands Crossing, Bas Kilang/ Bas Perkerja will flood the viaduct
on Weekends and Sundays/ PH especially, the jams gets more famous
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Originally posted by PJ_Quek:
Feeder svc like 178 & 187 routes that plied on WDL Ctr Rd may be diverted. Svc 911, 912 & 913 drop passengers off Marsiling Rd as a result of causeway jam. The bus driver asked me to continue my journey at a bus stop at Woodlands Ctr Rd. They should not close down Woodlands Int instead. (I mean Woodlands Int as Woodlands Checkpt Terminus)
Don't believe that SMRT has done much. Many people were stranded at the bus stop just outside the Woodlands train checkpoint. (hope you know where it is)
Highlighted in blue, the jam occured every Saturday, standard, guaranteed, testified and been thru it before. Due to the jam, the only public buses that can spotted along Woodlands Centre Rd (the section after junction of BKE and Woodlands Rd) were mostly 950 and 170 only. Why 950 and 170? Because they not affected much by jam at the junction as they turned left to upon clearing customs, as you can see. However, 170 and 950 also will take some time to arrive, due to the jam in the causeway.
Other services (like 856[towards Yishun direction], 911,912 and 913) took a very very long time to filter thru the jam. Not to forget 178.
I have seen 911 and 912 dropped passengers off Marsiling Rd, and head back to Woodlands Int (perhaps?), as there were 911 and 912 buses stucked in the jam already, these buses will serve the passengers when they filter thru the jam, no point asking the 911 and 912 buses (of later schedule) to join in the jam.
As for 903 wise, passengers were told to alight at Woodlands Centre Rd, somewhere after the mosque. Nowadays the jam stretched until the junction of Woodlands Centre Rd and Marsiling Rd.
This has been testify personally before.
Sincerely hope SMRT to deploy their buses using the [b]newly drawn opposing lane at Woodlands Centre Rd, and make an "illegal" U-turn just before the Woodlands Centre carpark entrance, to pick the passengers stranded at that particular bus stop (after the junction of BKE and Woodlands Rd), so that those buses that were stucked in the jam will not affect the frequency too much.[/b] -
187 and 178 are not feeder services.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Feeder svc like 178 & 187 routes that plied on WDL Ctr Rd may be diverted. Svc 911, 912 & 913 drop passengers off Marsiling Rd as a result of causeway jam. The bus driver asked me to continue my journey at a bus stop at Woodlands Ctr Rd. They should not close down Woodlands Int instead. (I mean Woodlands Int as Woodlands Checkpt Terminus)
187 don't plied Woodlands Centre Rd. 178 already diverted to WDL Centre Rd instead of WDL Rd.
Agree with you. Old WDL Terminal should be used as a looping point to bypass the jammed section for 911, 912 and 913, these services can access to it using the newly drawn single opposing lane in Woodlands Centre Rd, go in, turn out and served the stranded people at the bus stop outside Woodlands train checkpoint. Same goes to 178, 903 and 856.