Fare Cheats
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Latest update:
The man who refused to pay was not spotted on 145 anymore. -
He might be arrested. (my guess)Originally posted by SBS9889U:Latest update:
The man who refused to pay was not spotted on 145 anymore. -
Haha, and put away for good? Cannot be what....Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:He might be arrested. (my guess) -
He might be barred from taking public transport.Originally posted by PhyrePhox:Haha, and put away for good? Cannot be what.... -
Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I doubt the authorities will be able to enforce the fine on fare evaders effectively. Fare evaders can always choose to:
- alight the bus before the inspector reaches him/her
then the evader will have to board another bus and pay again that is enough as the fine thing was meant to be a deterrant.
- always choose to alight the bus immediately even if caught red-handed by the inspector (instead of paying the fine)
Caught red handed? last i heard the inspectors will be issued warrant cards that enable them to carry out their duties, maybe just maybe have similar powers as a police officer when on board a bus.
- what can the inspector do is the fare evader says he got no money?
if the guy really no money, and his stop not far away maybe can close 1 eye, but depends the guy acting skill good or not, if not take down particulars then send summons.
- even if the inspector insists on taking down his/her NRIC no. and particulars, they can always say they don't have it with them.
Like i said, inspectors got power liao, what happens if a police officer ask for your particulars and you dun give? Similarly, inspectors cam detain you call police and add another offence
And the most funny thing is :
- Fare evaders will be fined $20 if caught for non-payment or underpayment
- Fined $50 for using of concession cards.
I find this really stupid. If you were the fare evader, which would you admit? Of course I'd rather admit non-payment as the fine will be only $20, instead of admitting that I've been abusing the concession pass ($50 fine) right?
This is prob another of the loop holes they need to patch up. But $20 very siong already, imagine 1 day kanna twice = whole month bus fare.
In Melbourne(Australia)(case study) :
A group of about 2-5 inspectors conduct ticket inspections as a group (to "surround the passengers") and fare evaders face a $100 summon (to be paid at the centre). Most of these inspectors look tough and big size, unlike Singapore's inspectors who had to work alone. Australian ticket inspectors can detain the fare evader and even call the police to arrest them if they try to escape or fail to produce their proof of identification. Sometimes, Australian police also conduct ticket inspections on trains!!
Whats new? Didnt you read one of our national soccer players kanna fine dunno how many thousand dollars for unpaid tickets, last warning, dun pay go jail. and not 1 day jail hor. -
There is always community service instead of jail time, since nobody was hurt as a result of his offence. Leave the jails for the most dangerous of all criminals.Originally posted by Goondu74:Whats new? Didnt you read one of our national soccer players kanna fine dunno how many thousand dollars for unpaid tickets, last warning, dun pay go jail. and not 1 day jail hor. -
If it was up to me. But what if they refused to do com service? There are really such people who prefers to go and sit then pay up u know. To them, it will prob take a year to earn the money, might as well go in sit a few months and get fed by the govt! Come out fitter and healthier.Originally posted by iveco:There is always community service instead of jail time, since nobody was hurt as a result of his offence. Leave the jails for the most dangerous of all criminals. -
so cheapskateOriginally posted by SBS9889U:I just saw a fare cheat on 145 today(An old man). He did not want to pay for his bus trip which was supposed to be rather long and BC refused to move out of Toa Payoh Int till he pays or get down the bus. The BC did not resort to legal action as a woman stood up to pay for his bus fare and asked him to keep the ticket. How incondersirate of him!!!
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Extract from Today 29th Oct 2005
Not always cost effective to have most direct bus route
Letter from LOH CHOW KUANG
Secretary, Public Transport Council
WE REFER to Mr Benny Tien's letter "Are bus operators taking commuters for a ride?" on Oct 20. .
The Public Transport Council (PTC) is an independent body that regulates bus services and also bus and train fares in Singapore.
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PTC is required to balance commuters' interests with the long-term viability of the public transport operators, and to ensure that the costs of public transport provision are managed and fares remain affordable to the general public.
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Basic bus operators (SBS Transit and SMRT Buses) are responsible for providing a comprehensive and efficient network of daily scheduled services within their areas of responsibility.
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In particular, the operators are required to comply with the quality of service standards stipulated by the PTC and to seek PTC's approval to introduce a new service or to amend or withdraw an existing service.
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To safeguard commuters' interests, the PTC has from time to time directed the bus operators to revise or withdraw their proposals for bus route changes.
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The PTC has also required the operators to provide bus services to less developed areas even though the services may not be profitable.
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Mr Tien has asked why some trunk services take longer routes.
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We wish to clarify that the directness of bus routes was measured using a proxy, by comparing the one-way, terminal-to-terminal distance of a bus route with that of the shortest route by car.
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In practice, most commuters do not travel from one terminal to another.
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While the average one-way distance of trunk bus services is about 18km, the average travelling distance of bus passengers is only about one third of this.
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Public transport caters to the masses and passenger demand and trip distribution vary widely across the island.
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It is therefore, not always practical and cost effective to provide every commuter with the most direct bus service.
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Route deviations are sometimes necessary, to better serve the commuters in certain areas.
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In fact, commuters often request for an existing bus service to be diverted closer to their origin/destination.
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In the absence of a direct link and where a transfer is necessary, the existing fare structure facilitates this by providing for a transfer rebate to minimise the cost of making the transfer.
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We assure Mr Tien that we will continue to ensure the bus operators improve on the current bus network.
How they ensure this??? Talk is cheap.
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Mr Tien and members of the public may direct any further queries or feedback to PTC's feedback e-mail address at [email protected].
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We also invite them to visit our website at www.ptc.gov.sg for more information.
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We thank Mr Tien for his feedback and the opportunity to clarify.
Letter from LOH CHOW KUANG
Secretary, Public Transport Council -
Tourist-targeted buses should be ad-free
Letter from Ericia Tan
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I REFER to the letter, "Can Passengers 'see' through ads on buses?" (Oct 27).
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I agree with the writer that the ads on buses are taking up a greater proportion of the bus windows. While I applaud the bus operators' efforts to be creative in generating secondary revenue to keep fares low, it can be exasperating to tourists wanting to sight-see using public transport ation.
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Recently, I took the CityBuzz service C3 to Little India with my friends from overseas who wanted to see the light-up for Deepavali.
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As it is a bus for tourists, I expected the windows to be "ads-free" to allow a good view of the outside. However, the bus was wrapped with advertisements and passengers sitting near the back rows where the advertisement stickers were pasted could not get a good view of the sights. It certainly did not help that the darkness of the night added to the low visibility.
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The bus was not crowded then and we could avoid sitting by the panels covered with advertisements. But what if the bus was crowded? I urge the bus operator to look into this matter.
So contradicting, they deployed the best buses for this so called tourist sight seeing buses, yet covered it with all the advertisements...
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i cannot stand some of the bus ads. the whole bus is dark and it feels like you are in a cell.
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not only that some times if you not too familiar with you destination you cannot be sure whether your stop is right or not since the view at the sides are blocked and it is very very hard to look throughOriginally posted by phillipC:Tourist-targeted buses should be ad-free
Letter from Ericia Tan
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I REFER to the letter, "Can Passengers 'see' through ads on buses?" (Oct 27).
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I agree with the writer that the ads on buses are taking up a greater proportion of the bus windows. While I applaud the bus operators' efforts to be creative in generating secondary revenue to keep fares low, it can be exasperating to tourists wanting to sight-see using public transport ation.
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Recently, I took the CityBuzz service C3 to Little India with my friends from overseas who wanted to see the light-up for Deepavali.
.
As it is a bus for tourists, I expected the windows to be "ads-free" to allow a good view of the outside. However, the bus was wrapped with advertisements and passengers sitting near the back rows where the advertisement stickers were pasted could not get a good view of the sights. It certainly did not help that the darkness of the night added to the low visibility.
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The bus was not crowded then and we could avoid sitting by the panels covered with advertisements. But what if the bus was crowded? I urge the bus operator to look into this matter.
So contradicting, they deployed the best buses for this so called tourist sight seeing buses, yet covered it with all the advertisements...
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1. please state the source.Originally posted by phillipC:Tourist-targeted buses should be ad-free
Letter from Ericia Tan
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I REFER to the letter, "Can Passengers 'see' through ads on buses?" (Oct 27).
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I agree with the writer that the ads on buses are taking up a greater proportion of the bus windows. While I applaud the bus operators' efforts to be creative in generating secondary revenue to keep fares low, it can be exasperating to tourists wanting to sight-see using public transport ation.
.
Recently, I took the CityBuzz service C3 to Little India with my friends from overseas who wanted to see the light-up for Deepavali.
.
As it is a bus for tourists, I expected the windows to be "ads-free" to allow a good view of the outside. However, the bus was wrapped with advertisements and passengers sitting near the back rows where the advertisement stickers were pasted could not get a good view of the sights. It certainly did not help that the darkness of the night added to the low visibility.
.
The bus was not crowded then and we could avoid sitting by the panels covered with advertisements. But what if the bus was crowded? I urge the bus operator to look into this matter.
So contradicting, they deployed the best buses for this so called tourist sight seeing buses, yet covered it with all the advertisements...
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2. Yeah sometimes taking photos from buses are made difficult by such kinds of nasty eyesore........always happpen on me esp if not in the front...... -
I don't mind if the ads cover part of the side or rear but not the front windscreen(Contra ads)