Changi Airport PTB 1 & 2 bus terminal
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U mean a centralised terminal? dun think so it will happen... ppl will sure complainOriginally posted by SBS9818A:As in, one single bus terminal linked by the new Skytrain to all 3 passenger terminals. So double-deck and articulated buses can be used. -
What about a real big underground terminal that covers all 3 terminals and the area that are not covered by the three terminals will be the parking space for buses and have a height limit of 4.5m? Then perhaps DDs and Bendys can be deployed.Originally posted by SBS9828X:U mean a centralised terminal? dun think so it will happen... ppl will sure complain -
Changi Airport is too big with 4 terminals in the future.. cannot have a centralised terminal.. people will walk too far, and some may have to carry heavy luggage.Originally posted by SBS9889U:What about a real big underground terminal that covers all 3 terminals and have a height limit of 4.5m? Then perhaps DDs and Bendys can be deployed
Note that there is more travellers taking the bus to Airport rather than the traditional dominating taxi these years. So more travellers on bus means cannot walk too far.. and also, Singaporeans, always rush and rush, therefore need many bus stops to be planted to minimise walking and "inconvenience". -
Originally posted by 105090:
THat is where the People Mover system comes in.
Changi Airport is too big with [b]4 terminals in the future.. cannot have a centralised terminal.. people will walk too far, and some may have to carry heavy luggage.
Note that there is more travellers taking the bus to Airport rather than the traditional dominating taxi these years. So more travellers on bus means cannot walk too far.. and also, Singaporeans, always rush and rush, therefore need many bus stops to be planted to minimise walking and "inconvenience".[/b] -
What is this all aboutOriginally posted by iveco:THat is where the People Mover system comes in.
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New Skytrain System extension, just like the LRT system.Originally posted by gorby107:What is this all about -
Originally posted by 105090:
If you got to other countries like NYC or London, theres only 1 bus terminal.. the rest of the terminals are either linked by peoples mover system / monorail or Internal Shuttle bus... Even HK have only 1 bus terminal... if ppl in other countries can do it.. i dont see the reason why Singapore cant..
Changi Airport is too big with [b]4 terminals in the future.. cannot have a centralised terminal.. people will walk too far, and some may have to carry heavy luggage.
Note that there is more travellers taking the bus to Airport rather than the traditional dominating taxi these years. So more travellers on bus means cannot walk too far.. and also, Singaporeans, always rush and rush, therefore need many bus stops to be planted to minimise walking and "inconvenience".[/b] -
I'm also inclined to think that a centralised bus terminal will be constructed in conjunction with the upcoming People Mover System. With the PMS calling at more stations within a single terminal building, it will be a suitable alternative rather than have buses calling at each terminal building. The centralised bus terminal can also be connected with the LCC terminal (via a shuttle bus of course).
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For Hong Kong, this is also known as the Ground Transport Centre, where buses, trains and taxis to all parts of HK starts from here.Originally posted by sBs_boy:If you got to other countries like NYC or London, theres only 1 bus terminal.. the rest of the terminals are either linked by peoples mover system / monorail or Internal Shuttle bus... Even HK have only 1 bus terminal... if ppl in other countries can do it.. i dont see the reason why Singapore cant..
In this case, when some HK airport buses does not terminate there and runs as a loop (very common among the "S" shuttles), the bus would drop passengers outside the PTB lift lobby---and the passengers were to take lifts into the arrival/departure hall.
Otherwise, other buses (especially the notoriously expensive "A" Airport buses) would run up to outside the departure hall---and drop passengers there---before they head for the GTC terminus.
For more information, please refer to http://www.681busterminal.com/airport.html Thank you. -
Also, for HK airport, ONE terminal is very enough........the whole thing is all in one PTB.Originally posted by SGEMP:For Hong Kong, this is also known as the Ground Transport Centre, where buses, trains and taxis to all parts of HK starts from here.
In this case, when some HK airport buses does not terminate there and runs as a loop (very common among the "S" shuttles), the bus would drop passengers outside the PTB lift lobby---and the passengers were to take lifts into the arrival/departure hall.
Otherwise, other buses (especially the notoriously expensive "A" Airport buses) would run up to outside the departure hall---and drop passengers there---before they head for the GTC terminus.
For more information, please refer to http://www.681busterminal.com/airport.html Thank you.
And when entering the HK airport, there are no security checks, though, be it heading into the GTC, the Departure Hall, or the PTB lift lobby. -
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sorry for being a little off-topic...
Just a comparision of Sydney & Melbourne public transport to/from the International/Domestic Airports.
For Sydney, passengers who uses the railway stations at Sydney's International & Domestic airports are charged premium fares (abt several dollars extra). Either travel by train or taxi. SMRT Trains doesn't impose any premium fares to/from Changi Airport stn.
In Melbourne, only special express buses shuttle between the Airport & City (Spencer Street Railway Stn) at regular intervals ($13; acurate as of Yr 2003). These buses call at both International and Domestic Airports. Either take the Express bus or a taxi (average fare bet. city & airport ~$35).
I think that's what make Singapore's already defunct "Airbus" a failure, because there are still other cheaper bus travel options (SBS svcs). -
To add on: Transperth buses serve the domestic section of Perth Airport. To get out of the international terminal, you need to call a cab. There is an inter-terminal shuttle bus, but only for Qantas passengers transferring to domestic flights.Originally posted by SBS3688Y:sorry for being a little off-topic...
Just a comparision of Sydney & Melbourne public transport to/from the International/Domestic Airports.
For Sydney, passengers who uses the railway stations at Sydney's International & Domestic airports are charged premium fares (abt several dollars extra). Either travel by train or taxi. SMRT Trains doesn't impose any premium fares to/from Changi Airport stn.
In Melbourne, only special express buses shuttle between the Airport & City (Spencer Street Railway Stn) at regular intervals ($13; acurate as of Yr 2003). Either take the Express bus or a taxi (average fare bet. city & airport ~$35).
I think that's what make Singapore's already defunct "Airbus" a failure, because there are still other cheaper bus travel options (SBS svcs) at that time. -
I went to Perth during mid of this year. I found the mini-bus that shuttle between the city & airport rather convenient & economical. The mini-bus will also tow the luggage container trailer. It's a cheaper alternative to taxis.Originally posted by iveco:To add on: Transperth buses serve the domestic section of Perth Airport. To get out of the international terminal, you need to call a cab. There is an inter-terminal shuttle bus, but only for Qantas passengers transferring to domestic flights.
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But you need other arrangements if you are headed for the suburbs.Originally posted by SBS3688Y:I went to Perth during mid of this year. I found the mini-bus that shuttle between the city & airport rather convenient & economical. The mini-bus will also tow the luggage container trailer. It's a cheaper alternative to taxis. -
That's true. Again slightly off-topic, I wonder if SBST imports some bus models similar to Perth's "Cat" cute little mini-bus services for city sightseeing instead of the current Citybuzz services, would it be more popular? (I find the Citybuzz cannot match up to HippoTours bus services...)Originally posted by iveco:But you need other arrangements if you are headed for the suburbs.
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Below is extracted from Gebiz
I only cut and paste some parts of the tender documents..
Wonder who will go tender since the contract period is only for 3 months. Btw, this service is slated to start on 1 Feb 2006.
INVITATION TO TENDER FOR THE PROVISION OF A FREE SHUTTLE BUS SERVICE FOR THE LOW COST CARRIER (LCC) TERMINAL AT SINGAPORE CHANGI AIRPORT
PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS/SPECIFICATIONS
1 Duration
1.1 The duration of this Contract shall be three (3) months with an option to extend for a further three (3) months. The start date of this Contract is expected to be 1 February 2006, unless otherwise determined and notified by CAAS.
1.2 If CAAS shall be desirous of extending the Contract for a further term of three (3) months or less at the expiration of the Contract, he shall, by giving written notice to the Contractor not less than one (1) month before the expiration of the Contract period, indicate such a desire. Such offer shall be subject to terms and conditions CAAS may impose and shall be valid for one (1) month.
2 Scope of Work
2.1 The Contractor shall provide a Free Shuttle Bus service (hereinafter referred to as “shuttle service”) that would ply bi-directionally between the Low Cost Terminal (hereinafter referred to as “LCT”) and Passenger Terminal Building 2 (hereinafter referred to as “PTB 2”) at Changi Airport.
Operating Schedule
2.3 The shuttle service shall operate daily from 0530 hrs to 12 midnight, including weekends and public holidays. The frequency of the service shall be every 15 minutes. The schedule of the bus service shall run as per Annex 1. CAAS reserves the right to adjust the schedule of the bus service to suit operational requirements.
Bus
2.4 The Contractor shall provide sufficient buses to meet the Operating Schedule in Para 2.3. The buses shall meet the following requirements:
• shall be the 40-seater bus type;
• shall be fully air-conditioned;
• shall be equipped with baggage racks at the front or centre of the bus;
• shall have door(s) that could facilitate quick boarding and alighting of passengers with large baggage(s);
• shall be equipped with handrails for standing passengers approved by the Land Transport Authority (hereinafter referred to as “LTA”);
• shall comply with LTA’s roadworthiness regulations and undergo the required inspections;
• shall be painted according to CAAS’ requirements; and
• CAAS reserves the right to place advertisements on the buses and to collect the advertising revenue arising from the advertisements.
2.5 The Contractor shall ensure that the buses are in good working and clean condition at all times at his expense. The physical state of the buses shall be subjected to compulsory physical inspections by CAAS and the Contractor shall rectify all findings by CAAS within a reasonable timeframe at his expense.
2.6 The Contractor shall at his own expense submit the buses to LTA or other competent authorities for inspection when required by law to do so or when LTA or such other authority deems necessary.
2.7 The Contractor shall comply strictly with the operational requirements set out in this Tender and other operational directions given by CAAS from time-to-time during the duration of the Contract.
2.8 The Contractor shall not park his buses at the Free Shuttle Service Pick-Up points at the LCT and Passenger Terminal Buildings. He should only park the buses at the bus/coach parking area at the Coach Stands near the Passenger Terminal Buildings. The Contractor shall note that the prevailing parking charges would be levied on the buses parked at these locations.
Drivers
2.9 The Contractor shall provide English-speaking, disciplined and courteous drivers to operate the buses. The Contractor shall note that the buses would be serving passengers and airport staff and that the drivers must be capable of handling them in the most courteous and friendly way.
2.10 CAAS may at any time and when not satisfied with the work or conduct of any of the drivers, request the replacement of his services by giving written notice to the Contractor. The Contractor shall provide the replacement immediately after the issue of the written notice by CAAS.
Route
2.12 The shuttle bus service will ply bi-directionally between the LCT and PTB 2. The shuttle service shall commence its journey from the LCT and ply along Airport Boulevard towards PTB 2. After passing Car Park B the service shall proceed via the PTB 2 Basement ramp into the PTB 2 Basement Bus Station. The service shall return to the LCT, via the PTB 2 Basement exit ramp (next to Car Park C), Airport Boulevard (towards City) and into the LCT. The entire loop takes about 25 minutes to travel under normal traffic situation, with considerations for stoppages to alight and board passengers. (Note: A site recce will be conducted during the compulsory briefing date.)
2.13 The Contractor shall note that CAAS reserves the right to extend the service to Passenger Terminal Building 1 (hereinafter referred to as “PTB 1”) during the contract period. If extended to PTB 1, the shuttle service shall commence its journey from the LCT and ply along Airport Boulevard towards PTB 1. After passing Car Park A, the service shall proceed via the PTB 1 Basement ramp into the PTB 1 Basement Bus Station. The service shall then proceed to PTB 2, via the PTB 1 Basement exit ramp (next to PTB 1 Coach Stand) and to the PTB 2 Basement ramp into the PTB 2 Basement Bus Station. The service shall return to the LCT, via the PTB 2 Basement exit ramp (next to Car Park C), Airport Boulevard (towards City) and into the LCT.
3 Ridership Survey
3.1 The Contractor shall be required to submit daily, weekly or monthly statistics (as and when requested), on the rider-ship of the shuttle service to CAAS and conduct any surveys related to the operations of the shuttle service as required by CAAS.
4 Breakdown Contingency
4.1 In the event of a bus breakdown, the Contractor shall immediately activate a recovery team and deploy a standby bus. The standby bus shall have the same capacity as the tendered bus type but could be uncustomized. The standby bus shall reach the Changi Airport within sixty (60) minutes upon activation. The Contractor shall inform CAAS of the breakdown immediately. -
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That sounds interesting. But I doubt it is free and who will operate these services ? Plus SBS Transit already have services to the PTB 1 and 2 buildings, maybe extend to the low cost budget terminal? -
the low cost budget terminal is almost ready frm wad i saw as i cycled down changi coast rd. a bus stop outside the LCC is not feasible for service 36 coz' it wud have to filter right quickly to stay on the ECP. a bus stop for the LCC on the opposite side (towards PTB 1/2) is not feasible too.Originally posted by CAIX:--Refering to the above post---
That sounds interesting. But I doubt it is free and who will operate these services ? Plus SBS Transit already have services to the PTB 1 and 2 buildings, maybe extend to the low cost budget terminal?
so, i guess it had to be the shuttle buses. and i think it would be free.
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DELETEDOriginally posted by sinicker:the low cost budget terminal is almost ready frm wad i saw as i cycled down changi coast rd. a bus stop outside the LCC is not feasible for service 36 coz' it wud have to filter right quickly to stay on the ECP. a bus stop for the LCC on the opposite side (towards PTB 1/2) is not feasible too.
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For your info, a New bus Bay had been built before the plane flyover (1st stop after T2). From the look of it, it seems that passengers going towards LCT will have to use that particular bus stop and walk in (estimated about 2-5mins). Unless they are thinking of using the Free Shuttle Bus..
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u mean the bus stop after the bus stop below the plane flyover in the direction towards town? yes, passengers gg to the LCT can go by that bus stop. btw, i think u cannot use the word "new". it's been there since 2000.Originally posted by sBs_boy:For your info, a New bus Bay had been built before the plane flyover (1st stop after T2). From the look of it, it seems that passengers going towards LCT will have to use that particular bus stop and walk in (estimated about 2-5mins). Unless they are thinking of using the Free Shuttle Bus.. -
Yes.. the shuttle services is Free. Refer to the "blue portion" of my earlier post.Originally posted by sinicker:the low cost budget terminal is almost ready frm wad i saw as i cycled down changi coast rd. a bus stop outside the LCC is not feasible for service 36 coz' it wud have to filter right quickly to stay on the ECP. a bus stop for the LCC on the opposite side (towards PTB 1/2) is not feasible too.
so, i guess it had to be the shuttle buses. and i think it would be free. -
Originally posted by sBs_boy:
For your info, a New bus Bay had been built [b]before the plane flyover (1st stop after T2). From the look of it, it seems that passengers going towards LCT will have to use that particular bus stop and walk in (estimated about 2-5mins). Unless they are thinking of using the Free Shuttle Bus.. [/b] -
okay sorry. the last time i've been to the airport was last month. u mean a bus bay, after T2, before the South Cross?Originally posted by sBs_boy: