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Originally posted by iveco:
Oh I see...
Same here. I live in the West, where Scanias are relatively rare. Took 36Z and 47S on my last trip home.
BTW, I saw the Scania bus pics on the Singapore Bus Handbook too, like SBS3573U first served on Sv 145. But for the pics of SBS36Z on Sv 67, I've saw it before long time ago with my parents at Bedok MRT Stn. -
U sure u saw SBS36Z on SV 67 at bedok MRT stn?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Oh I see...
BTW, I saw the Scania bus pics on the Singapore Bus Handbook too, like SBS3573U first served on Sv 145. But for the pics of SBS36Z on Sv 67, I've saw it before long time ago with my parents at Bedok MRT Stn.
When did u saw it?
I think most likely, it is like the "taken SBS6907 on SV140" incident again...
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Hahaha!!Originally posted by lemon1974:U sure u saw SBS36Z on SV 67 at bedok MRT stn?
When did u saw it?
I think most likely, it is like the "taken SBS6907 on SV140" incident again... 
Yeah i guess so....
How can you see SBS36Z on 67??? That is very long ago..... -
FYI, Svc 67 had CRBs when it was first introduced. Those were taken from 66, which had been transferred to HGDEP.Originally posted by lemon1974:U sure u saw SBS36Z on SV 67 at bedok MRT stn?
When did u saw it?
I think most likely, it is like the "taken SBS6907 on SV140" incident again... -
Yeah , i think there was a Strider ( SBS1970U) on this Service before. That was i think around 1999 before the handover.Originally posted by iveco:FYI, Svc 67 had CRBs when it was first introduced. Those were taken from 66, which had been transferred to HGDEP. -
S67 was a full Strider fleet.
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Does apex have a picture of the Scania on 67?
Uhh does anyone have pics of Strider on 67?
Does anyone have the perm fleet of SBS Strider on 67? -
67 used Striders from both BBDEP and BNDEP. It was one of the first routes to have Mk IVs.Originally posted by sinicker:S67 was a full Strider fleet. -
of coz back then there were so and so buses on so and so service. but how cud we believe u? i can also say i saw an LA on svc 18 as both existed back then
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Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Oh I see...
BTW, I saw the Scania bus pics on the Singapore Bus Handbook too, like SBS3573U first served on Sv 145. But for the pics of SBS36Z on Sv 67, I've saw it before long time ago with my parents at Bedok MRT Stn.
Hmm... please see carefully before you correct me. Did you see the words marked in blue in the first place?Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Hahaha!!
Yeah i guess so....
How can you see SBS36Z on 67??? That is very long ago.....
That was around 1992 or 1993. When I was small that time, my parents always brought me to different places around Singapore.Originally posted by lemon1974:U sure u saw SBS36Z on SV 67 at bedok MRT stn?
When did u saw it?
I think most likely, it is like the "taken SBS6907 on SV140" incident again... -
Striders first appeared on Services 16 and 67.
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LAs on svc 18 were replaced by VO2Xes in 1995. Felt real jealous of East siders as they had all the better buses.Originally posted by SBS9828X:of coz back then there were so and so buses on so and so service. but how cud we believe u? i can also say i saw an LA on svc 18 as both existed back then
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sorry.Originally posted by iveco:LAs on svc 18 were replaced by VO2Xes in 1995. Felt real jealous of East siders as they had all the better buses. 
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Back in 1995, I still rememebr 106 had the chugging LAs while 18 had the newer VO2Xes. Not to mention BNDEP dumped its 49** regoed B57s in BBDEP while Scanias took over BN feeder routes. It was only in early 1996 that BB feeders had Mk IIs serving them.
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Wow... a 3 yr old kid in 1993 can remember the bus rego so clearly ah?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:That was around 1992 or 1993. When I was small that time, my parents always brought me to different places around Singapore.
Must pay respect to Apex for having such a good memory..
maybe have to start a new topic for Apex to list down whatever bus he see since young for each service.. Maybe he will say he saw SBS1696 on SV174 also? or SBS1682 on SV 157? -
we never correct anything.. The word in blue say that you and your parents saw it at Bedok MRT. so both you and your parents saw it?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Hmm... please see carefully before you correct me. Did you see the words marked in blue in the first place?
We are just curious that you (as a 3yr old kids in 1993) can remember the rego so well, unless you tell us, that your parents are bus fan and took down all the bus rego number, when they bring you go out and then they keep a list of it.
Too bad, there isnt this forum in 1993. If have, maybe you will post it under "anything unusual on the roads" thread as a 3 yr old kid. -
seriously apex, did u see it, or did u take it from another source? i cant believe it sia...
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Yeah. And there isn't any internet in 1993Originally posted by lemon1974:Too bad, there isnt this forum in 1993. If have, maybe you will post it under "anything unusual on the roads" thread as a 3 yr old kid. -
who says dont have... only in the US in 1993Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Yeah. And there isn't any internet in 1993 -
I saw the bus last time, as well as on other sources.Originally posted by SBS9828X:seriously apex, did u see it, or did u take it from another source? i cant believe it sia... -
story change liao......Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:I saw the bus last time, as well as on other sources. -
OFF-TOPIC: There is JARING (a Malaysia Internet Portal) that had existed in 1993.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Yeah. And there isn't any internet in 1993 -
yeah yeah.... wat's the relevance when it's not in singapore?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:OFF-TOPIC: There is JARING (a Malaysia Internet Portal) that had existed in 1993.
here's a lowdown on the beginnings of our local consumer ISP scene, which started only in 1995...
Commercial networking in Singapore (and indeed Asia in general) began later than in the US, Canada, or Western Europe; however, they seem determined to catch up quickly. This section profiles Pacific Internet, SingNet, and Cyberway, the three ISPs licensed by TAS since 1995.
Pacific Internet (PI)
PI began as the university network, Technet, five years ago, and became commercial two years ago. They have approximately 85,000 analog dial-up customers and 300 corporate accounts (40% ISDN, 42% 64k, and 18% 128k). Like the other ISPs, they offer a variety of services including Web hosting, server collocation (< 5 customers), fax, pager and cell phone (text) gateways and Internet gaming. Their international links are three EI circuits to Japan and one third of a T3 to the US.6.
PI differentiates themselves as selling the Internet as a lifestyle product, not a
technical product. They co-market with large brands and channels like mcdonalds and supermarkets. They are also in early talks with various Web TV vendors. They are beginning to sell to housing developers with the intention of serving buildings. They are targeting vertical industries with their business marketing, for example, insurance, legal, shipping, and real estate companies.
They also claim a more private-sector mindset as an organization than SingNet which they feel was shaped to some extent by its roots in what had been a government owned monopoly telephone company. They are more flexible and less bureaucratic.
Their Web site is the most visited in Singapore. They claim to receive 60 million hits per month, compared to 3.5 million for Cyberway and 15 million for SingNet.
SingNet
SingNet, the first commercial ISP, is a subsidiary of Singapore Telecom, which has a telephone monopoly until the year 2000, but operates at an arms length from them, and derives no advantage from the relationship. This impartiality is audited by TAS.
They offer much the same services as the others, with approximately 100,000 analog dial-up accounts, 3-400 ISDN accounts, and 2-300 leased lines. Their other services are Internet paging, mobile phone email, wireless access, Web hosting, Web co-location, fax gateway, and assigning domain names.
My subjective impression is that they may be a bit more engineering oriented and less attuned to commercial marketing than the other networks, but that was based on visits to only two back-office locations and one walk-in registration center.
SingNet is distinguished from the others in that they operate the Singapore Internet Exchange (STIX) which is seeking to become a leading regional hub. STIX peers with the other Singaporean ISPs and with several networks in the region. (While they would state who they exchanged traffic with, they were somewhat vague about which links were upstream, peering, and downstream).
The decision on whether or not to peer with someone is made on a case-by-case basis after study of traffic patterns. For example, they saw a lot of traffic between them and Japan was going through the US, and decided a direct connection to Japan would pay for itself. Peers each pay for one half-circuit, and do not charge each other. Downstream customers pay for the entire circuit, plus fees.
STIX has 37 links to 24 nations. The difficulty in building an intranational backbone is illustrated by Indonesia which has three STIX customers who are unwilling to cooperate with each other. A big ISP does not want to subsidize his competitor by allowing them to achieve a lower communication cost, and the small ones do not want to advertise that they connect through a larger competitor.
Their Competition is A-Bone in Japan, Net Plus from Hong Kong Telecom, and
KDD. A-bone has fewer than 10 customers, all at 2 mb. Net Plus has a similar mix to STIX: 64k-1.5m. KDD has around 60 ISPs and exchanges traffic with Asia, Australia (Telstra) and New Zealand. A list of IXs maintained at http://www.isi.edu/div7/ra/NAPs/naps_ap.html shows the following IXs in the region:
HKIX - The HongKong Exchange
NSPIXP-2 - (In Japanese!)
IMnet - From NTT & KDD (under development)
NZIX - Neutral New Zealand
STIX - Singapore Telecom gets into the act
MM-MAP - Metro Manila (Philippines)
Western OZ Internet Exchange
AUIX - Some Australian Exchanges which seems to be limited to
being an Australian ISP peer point)
CyberWay
CyberWay is the newest ISP. They are owned by SPH and STEC. Unlike the other two ISPs, they competed for their license, and won on the basis of their emphasis on customer service and support. CyberWay's one-time licensing fee of $450,000 was imposed retroactively on the first two ISPs to level the playing field.
CyberWay offers the same array of services as the others, and has 35,000 analog dial-up customers. They have a 15 Mb/s link to Canada and a 256k link to Japan. (Fifteen percent of their traffic is within Singapore). CyberWay stresses strong marketing and customer service. Examples of their marketing programs are:
• lower rates on weekends
• reselling through 26 partners (VARs) who specialize in schools and other
businesses (customers include government, SBA, NCB, IBM, NTT, banks, etc.
• direct sales force for business accounts
• free (1 MB) home page for all customers (<10% use it) and a search engine for finding the home pages of people with various interests -- community building
• CD-ROM with $200 software with sign up
• web development tools to support people with home pages
• mirror site for Two-Cows and Simtel
• Personal News Watch -- selected News groups (not sure how this works -- it may just be a .newsrc file for Usenet News with a news reader)
• registration centers in department stores, cyber cafes, computer stores, events like the Singapore Book Fair, etc. -- accounts are activated within 10 minutes and the store gets a commission
• They are the leader in meeting QOS requirements of the TAS. (TAS discusses QOS on their Web page, but there is little information of value to a potential
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saw it last time? as in 1993 as a 3 year old kid?Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:I saw the bus last time, as well as on other sources.
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One of the MOD's Comments on someone in SINbus.
P.S. If you are unsure which Archangel is the spammer as mentioned above, go and look at the overall post count of SINbus. These will also prove my point a few pages before. This is the post. Now I got evidence to back me upOriginally posted by SBS1985C:haha ... i spam wat? (besides agruing with donavan and asking for some more details).
Note: you all go see my post count and donavan post count .... in SINbus ... if I were to really spam SINbus, My post count should equal or somewhat around the same as Archangel1 (donavan).