Call this World-Class transport system?
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at 8am today At first i thought.. whoa! some sale going on.. then i go nearer and see.. the sale seems to be ending at sv70 Queue!
on my trip back at 7pm, whoa! 3 more snaking Queues.. more great sales? i doubt so.. and yes.. its sv72 Queue! sv76 is no better! the frequency for 72 must had been near 15mins!
of course, to maximise profits, longer frequency is inevitable. most important is send a DD, make it fully pack.. no good if send 2 buses, but only half-filled.. might as well make a 2-in-1.
World Class Queues with Wrold Class fares indeed -
Hmm... a bit off-topic.
Last time, Sv 170 also experience long queues every weekend because ppl want to go to Johor Bahru, the queues were formed until the overhead bridge near Kranji MRT. -
this one nvm. S170 so rapid. this still happens on weekday PM peak.Originally posted by Apex-LW'21:Hmm... a bit off-topic.
Last time, Sv 170 also experience long queues every weekend because ppl want to go to Johor Bahru, the queues were formed until the overhead bridge near Kranji MRT.
but 105090 is trying to highlight abt buses that are already going to start from the interchange itself! man, this is preposterous. -
hmmm...AFAIK, svc72 freq is 5mins during peak...but still cannot sustain the load...its really a cash cow...
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What the problem with 5min per bus ? May not be perfect but still good.
Travel to outside singapore, yes see for yourself other people transport !!
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especially our neighbouring countriesOriginally posted by storywolf:What the problem with 5min per bus ? May not be perfect but still good.
Travel to outside singapore, yes see for yourself other people transport !! -
i din say gt problem...i jus say tat, no matter how gd the freq is, in this case 5min, 72 still has a long queue, cannot sustain load...even @ 11pm at night...the bus is Full Seating + a few Standee, which brings alot of money to SBST, a cash cow...Originally posted by storywolf:What the problem with 5min per bus ? May not be perfect but still good.
Travel to outside singapore, yes see for yourself other people transport !! -
WOW? I think I go buy SBST shares
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may i remind you that they also have the loss-making NEL.Originally posted by shade343:WOW? I think I go buy SBST shares
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At least SMRT releases 190 once every 5 minutes just to avoid this situation.... still, the buses are packed.... i don't see y SBST can't do so... utilise the VSO from the Citibuzz la...simple ma... i guess
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it is almost the same...Originally posted by muziq bus:At least SMRT releases 190 once every 5 minutes just to avoid this situation.... still, the buses are packed.... i don't see y SBST can't do so... utilise the VSO from the Citibuzz la...simple ma... i guess
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/sbstravelguide/number_result.asp?busnumber=72
http://www.smrtbuses.com.sg/busguide/busfrequency.asp?busno=190&x=13&y=24 -
It becomes profitable sooner or later....Originally posted by sinicker:may i remind you that they also have the loss-making NEL. -
its oreadi profitableOriginally posted by shade343:It becomes profitable sooner or later.... -
Must remember that Yio Chu Kang Ter is restricted number of parking spaces & movement of buses so not many buses can going into the Ter at 1 go...Originally posted by 105090:Of course, to maximise profits, longer frequency is inevitable. most important is send a DD, make it fully pack.. no good if send 2 buses, but only half-filled.. might as well make a 2-in-1.
Also it's a Ter not Int, so it does haven't big queue area like Int, therefore ppl have to queue up to MRT Stn area...
Why don't you suggest closing down of Yio Chu Kang Ter & extend all svcs to Ang Mo Kio new Int when it's ready??? -
yes i notice that everyday if i take bus home. but the frequency for 72 is quite fast as compared to 162Originally posted by 105090:at 8am today At first i thought.. whoa! some sale going on.. then i go nearer and see.. the sale seems to be ending at sv70 Queue!
on my trip back at 7pm, whoa! 3 more snaking Queues.. more great sales? i doubt so.. and yes.. its sv72 Queue! sv76 is no better! the frequency for 72 must had been near 15mins!
of course, to maximise profits, longer frequency is inevitable. most important is send a DD, make it fully pack.. no good if send 2 buses, but only half-filled.. might as well make a 2-in-1.
World Class Queues with Wrold Class fares indeed -
u will be thankful of our public transport system if u ever get ride on our neighbouring countries' buses.......
let say 30 min per interval?......
15 min or 5 min interval will not kill u.......... -
EXACTLY in situations like these, ultra-high capacity buses like the M-B CapaCity would 'swallow' up the queues quick enough before it's allowed to form too long again & they don't even need to deploy too many units & too many drivers too !!
Come to really think of it, in a so-called 1st world like Singapore there's no more excuse for long queues like these unlike in the 3rd world like Malaysia etc. where cheap land & cheap private cars are plentiful hence far less incentive for top class public transport system there !Originally posted by 105090:at 8am today At first i thought.. whoa! some sale going on.. then i go nearer and see.. the sale seems to be ending at sv70 Queue!
on my trip back at 7pm, whoa! 3 more snaking Queues.. more great sales? i doubt so.. and yes.. its sv72 Queue! sv76 is no better! the frequency for 72 must had been near 15mins!
of course, to maximise profits, longer frequency is inevitable. most important is send a DD, make it fully pack.. no good if send 2 buses, but only half-filled.. might as well make a 2-in-1.
World Class Queues with Wrold Class fares indeed -
hmm dats true.....
if the situation is too much or jia lat den time for the operators to reflect.....after all many singaporeans gave up buying cars becoz firstly, it is too expensive!......secondly our transport system is good..... -
In Johor Baru e.g. the frequency say on Transitlink 180 seems to be 1 per hour whether during day or night. But alternative means of transport are relatively cheaply available so even then, it's far less ground for complains.
But in a place like Singapore, with top class prices for almost every other thing, there's hardly much room for excuses !Originally posted by hiphop2009:u will be thankful of our public transport system if u ever get ride on our neighbouring countries' buses.......
let say 30 min per interval?......
15 min or 5 min interval will not kill u.......... -
aparantly u ppl have not taken public transports in other 1st world countries like Australia n Europe.
The bus frequency there is at on avg 20mins interval...n that is during PEAK period.
Off peak (after 5pm) u can wait up to an hr.
And most bus services stop after 7pm in Aussie.
Cabs? The distance between orchard to sembawang is abt 30mins (smooth traffic, within speed limit) n will cost abt $14.
In Australia, the same distance will easily cost you AUS$30-$40, Europe...EURO$40.
So stop complaining about Singapore's Public transport. It can be worse. -
I've ever taken the subways & buses in Europe & elsewhere in Asia besides Singapore.
Interesting to note of 20 mins to 1 hour frequencies in those 1st world you mentioned. Some 'consolation' then to those in Malaysia that they're not doing too badly despite still being 3rd world !!
But i must say (from 1st hand accounts from people i know who have cars in Australia) that the private car is relatively cheap to have there compared to in Singapore. In Germany i understand people even pay tips to the taxi driver in addition to the regular fare (of course around 70 % taxis there are the standard M-B unlike many elsewhere) but private cars (even an M-B diesel model) there still cheap compared to here.
Which brings me back to my point in an earlier post that with the more expensive private car prices in Singapore, there ultimately has to be far less excuses for the 'less than perfect' state of public transport here.Originally posted by elawee:aparantly u ppl have not taken public transports in other 1st world countries like Australia n Europe.
The bus frequency there is at on avg 20mins interval...n that is during PEAK period.
Off peak (after 5pm) u can wait up to an hr.
And most bus services stop after 7pm in Aussie.
Cabs? The distance between orchard to sembawang is abt 30mins (smooth traffic, within speed limit) n will cost abt $14.
In Australia, the same distance will easily cost you AUS$30-$40, Europe...EURO$40.
So stop complaining about Singapore's Public transport. It can be worse. -
true tt cars in aussie is very much cheaper than in singapore.Originally posted by hseochin:I've ever taken the subways & buses in Europe & elsewhere in Asia besides Singapore.
Interesting to note of 20 mins to 1 hour frequencies in those 1st world you mentioned. Some 'consolation' then to those in Malaysia that they're not doing too badly despite still being 3rd world !!
But i must say (from 1st hand accounts from people i know who have cars in Australia) that the private car is relatively cheap to have there compared to in Singapore. In Germany i understand people even pay tips to the taxi driver in addition to the regular fare (of course around 70 % taxis there are the standard M-B unlike many elsewhere) but private cars (even an M-B diesel model) there still cheap compared to here.
Which brings me back to my point in an earlier post that with the more expensive private car prices in Singapore, there ultimately has to be far less excuses for the 'less than perfect' state of public transport here.
an avg 1.6 or even a 2 litres car from popular brands like honda or toyota will cost nothing above $30K.
even a brand new merc is abt $60k only.
but is tt the reason y public transport can be less than perfect there?
how abt the school kids? how abt the old who cannot drive?
n then again, wat is perfect?
having a bus run every 5mins so there would be no queues? or not running any buses when there is no queue but instead deploying only when there are ppl waiting for buses.
if tt is the former, then more drivers would need to be hired, resulting in higher cost, which in turn result in an increase in fare prices to keep the company profitable.
n the increased in fare prices will then spark another outrage altogether.
so pray tell me, wat, in ur opinion, is a perfect public transport system. -
oh btw, cars are really cheap now if u r not too big on the prestigious-ness of the car.
a picanto or a aveo is going for less than $40k, matrix n getz for less than $50k.
Alot more afforable in my opinion as compared to before.
To digress a little...
High prices of private cars in singapore is due to the lack of space though I dun really agree with the govt implementing ERPs as a mean to curb traffic flow during peak hrs.
Personally i feel they are trying to EARN MONEY from those who dun have a choice but to take routes like CTE to work every morning simply because they are working in town area. I mean, that is what CEO is for isn't it? To up the prices of cars to deter ppl from buying.
N now they are punishing those who have to take the CTE home by having ERP along braddell too?
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we cannot compare this to India/ Malaysia etc.. why? cos Singapore is advanced-developing country. its not 3rd world.. so we leave out the prices part.
sv72 at 5 mins..? more likely 5 mins when its at the end of its journey. seeing the Q, well, they are all rush hour crowd, not leisure-crowd like 161, 168, 969 etc.
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and.. malaysia.. bus 180 may take 1 hour agree, but ppl can take taxi at only a small difference to the bus fare.
then, in JB, we have 3 or even 4 buses duplicating each other. so if frequency is 30mins, 4 services will mean a person waits very quickly for the bus.
oh man! 170 jams we can understand from Causeway..
sometimes, the website says 5 mins,but hardly its 5 mins. The passenger and traffic conditions are more or less the same daily. once i waited for 72 for 15mins under normal road conditions.......
But like i said, 1 full paked bus is better than 2 half-filled buses isnt it.. this explains! so.. continue to wait for your jam packed buses!