Volvo B9TL
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relax. dun be too defensiveOriginally posted by service_238:What's a B9 for on a service when it doesnt serve PIWs? Might as well retain 76's LOs and 9808 instead. then drivers no need to go thru the hassle of learning B9s and how to serve the PIW boarding and alighting the bus. U think amdep is so free to teach the drivers how to drive a B9 like hgdep? Moreover with the Scanias coming soon I believe 76 would be the first to get them as there's little DDs on the service.
I'm not surprised if the 76 WAB timetable is up on the website soon. If you believe 76 wont be WAB certified then explain the presence of B9s on the service then? -
well we'll see how..beginning to see ur point of view..i think only sv.143 and one majority arbp svc left if its ur case..most likely minority will be bndep (14 or 65) i think they will replace all the bndep minority buses with B9TLs (14 or 65) and give arbp lesser WAB...well we'll see howOriginally posted by service_238:What's a B9 for on a service when it doesnt serve PIWs? Might as well retain 76's LOs and 9808 instead. then drivers no need to go thru the hassle of learning B9s and how to serve the PIW boarding and alighting the bus. U think amdep is so free to teach the drivers how to drive a B9 like hgdep? Moreover with the Scanias coming soon I believe 76 would be the first to get them as there's little DDs on the service.
I'm not surprised if the 76 WAB timetable is up on the website soon. If you believe 76 wont be WAB certified then explain the presence of B9s on the service then? -
its alrite..too used in here leOriginally posted by muziq bus:relax. dun be too defensive -
http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/journeyplan/route_information.asp?qdirect=1&qservno=076&qpoint=LOOP&dispno=76&qstart=YIO CHU KANG TER&qend=OPP MANDARIN GDNSOriginally posted by SBS9888Y:doesnt mean got B9TL means will be WAB svc get it?
WAB svc only if more than 50% B9TLs... i dun think 76 will be WAB but it has B9TL -
WAB timetable for 72 is out!
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OK. Noted.Originally posted by choww:WAB timetable for 72 is out!
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what is out is only the WAB timing.Originally posted by service_238:
If look at the normal trip timing and WAB timing, both are the same.
it might cause confusion to some passengers.
likewise for the SV 72 timing.. No wonder i saw the frequency look like quite long for SV 72... was wondering why in the first place.. -
btw, extracted from ST Forum (sat 19 may)
Someone complained abt B9TLs design...
maybe should ask this guy to visit this forum for better understanding of buses.
Quoted msg
Poor design of new bus makes things worse
ANYONE who has taken a ride on the new SBS Transit buses (for example, service 72 or 147) may feel the same way I do: It has such a poor design. This is especially noticeable during peak hours.
Although the new bus design is nicer on the exterior, it has totally failed in the interior. Let's start at the rear of the interior.
At the rear, there is room for only a single passenger to stand. When someone wants to alight and tries to move out from a back row seat, the standing passenger in the middle of the aisle has difficulty moving aside to make way.
The aisle in the middle of the bus is narrow too, and has space for only a single line of standing passengers. The old design could accommodate double standing lines.
The ceiling is also too low. Taller passengers cannot stand in the aisle in the middle of the bus.
At the rear of the bus, there are two seats on either side facing each other. The design of these seats is questionable too. Very few passengers take them. Often, the the whole bus is packed and these seats are left empty. They are a waste of space on board.
And the step up to the rear of the bus is too high, which makes it a safety hazard. This is bad for passengers, especially the elderly. I saw many of them having difficulty climbing up or down the step. Some did not notice it, or forgot it was there, and almost tripped.
Why design such a high step? Is it to discourage people from moving to the rear of the bus, or to discourage them from standing there?
Maybe because of all this, most passengers prefer to stand near the front exit, which is also the area for handicapped passengers. This area becomes packed as everyone squeezes in there and refuses to move to the rear.
Hence the new design is no improvement on the old one. In fact, it is worse.
Isn't the new design supposed to accommodate more passengers?
The driver likes to yell at passengers to move to the rear, but I guess he hardly looks at the rear himself. With so little space, how can passengers move to the rear? We commuters are really trying already.
I hope the next bus design will be better and able to accommodate more passengers in safety. -
I heard that 161s are getting the Volvo B9TLs.
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Service 2
All the bus stops along Service 2 are accessible except these 4 bus stops
B05 Sims Ave East - Kembangan Stn
B11 New Upper Changi Road - The Tanamera Condominium
B13 New Upper Changi Road - Tanah Merah Station
B01 Upper Changi Road North - The Japanese School
Service 51
All the bus stops along Service 51 are accessible except these 4 bus stops.
B13 North Bridge Road - Before Sultan MQUE
B18 Pasir Panjang Road - Haw Par Villa
B14 Pasir Panjang Road - Opp Redwood West
B02 Havelock Rd - CTRL SQ
Service 72
All the bus stops along Service 72 are accessible except these 5 bus stops.
B25 Tampines Rd - LP 223R12
B29 Tampines Rd - Opp LP 223R29
B30 Tampines Rd - LP 223R27
B28 Tampines Rd - Opp LP 223R21
B26 Tampines Rd - Opp LP 223R10
*LP means lamp post
Service 76
All the bus stops along Service 76 are accessible except these 6 bus stops.
B06 Ang Mo Kio Ave 9 - Opp Ang Mo Kio Community Hospital
B06 Ang Mo Kio Ave 4 - Before Blks 152/155
B01 Boundary Rd - Blk 209
B01 Ang Mo Kio Ave 4 - Blk 258
B05 Ang Mo Kio Ave 4 - Opp Blk 155
B09 Ang Mo Kio Ave 4 - Opp Blk 622
Which are the bus stops that are accessible to PIWs? -
SBST Bus Services & Timetables
Wheelchair Accessible Bus (WAB)
Singapore's first Wheelchair Accessible Bus (WAB) service is Service 21. Other WAB Services are 2, 12, 51, 72, 76, 147, 196 & 198. -
Repeated post
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Originally posted by lemon1974:
Absolutely rubbish. I disagree with this viewer's opinion. As a 193 cm person, I have no complaints about the bus's interior design. Legroom space is pretty ok for me and the height is reasonable. If you dont like this bus, don't take it , simple as that.
btw, extracted from ST Forum (sat 19 may)
Someone complained abt B9TLs design...
maybe should ask this guy to visit this forum for better understanding of buses.
Quoted msg
[b]Poor design of new bus makes things worse
ANYONE who has taken a ride on the new SBS Transit buses (for example, service 72 or 147) may feel the same way I do: It has such a poor design. This is especially noticeable during peak hours.
Although the new bus design is nicer on the exterior, it has totally failed in the interior. Let's start at the rear of the interior.
At the rear, there is room for only a single passenger to stand. When someone wants to alight and tries to move out from a back row seat, the standing passenger in the middle of the aisle has difficulty moving aside to make way.
The aisle in the middle of the bus is narrow too, and has space for only a single line of standing passengers. The old design could accommodate double standing lines.
The ceiling is also too low. Taller passengers cannot stand in the aisle in the middle of the bus.
At the rear of the bus, there are two seats on either side facing each other. The design of these seats is questionable too. Very few passengers take them. Often, the the whole bus is packed and these seats are left empty. They are a waste of space on board.
And the step up to the rear of the bus is too high, which makes it a safety hazard. This is bad for passengers, especially the elderly. I saw many of them having difficulty climbing up or down the step. Some did not notice it, or forgot it was there, and almost tripped.
Why design such a high step? Is it to discourage people from moving to the rear of the bus, or to discourage them from standing there?
Maybe because of all this, most passengers prefer to stand near the front exit, which is also the area for handicapped passengers. This area becomes packed as everyone squeezes in there and refuses to move to the rear.
Hence the new design is no improvement on the old one. In fact, it is worse.
Isn't the new design supposed to accommodate more passengers?
The driver likes to yell at passengers to move to the rear, but I guess he hardly looks at the rear himself. With so little space, how can passengers move to the rear? We commuters are really trying already.
I hope the next bus design will be better and able to accommodate more passengers in safety.
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Anyway, 7410E was spotted on svc 2 this morning, which "champion" saw this bus on 51 ? Anyway 7447A is an additional B9TL bus for BN's svc 7.
As far as I know, svc 161 will not be a WAB svc until Woodlands have lifts installed. Until then, cameo B9TL buses will be on 161 frequently. -
I know about this problem. all wab services only show wab timings and not the full schedule. still remembered 147 initially showed its full schedule shortly before being launched in wab service in november. by then, they removed the non-wab timings.Originally posted by lemon1974:what is out is only the WAB timing.
If look at the normal trip timing and WAB timing, both are the same.
it might cause confusion to some passengers.
likewise for the SV 72 timing.. No wonder i saw the frequency look like quite long for SV 72... was wondering why in the first place..
not sure if its a bug or sbst didnt change the template or they dont think its necessary to put non-wab timings?
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totally agreed. pampered singaporean.Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:Absolutely rubbish. I disagree with this viewer's opinion. As a 193 cm person, I have no complaints about the bus's interior design. Legroom space is pretty ok for me and the height is reasonable. If you dont like this bus, don't take it , simple as that.
Anyway, 7410E was spotted on svc 2 this morning, which "champion" saw this bus on 51 ? Anyway 7447A is an additional B9TL bus for BN's svc 7.
frankly speaking the merc O405s standing space along the aisle is NARROWER by some 20 to 30mm than the B9TLs
next, the step after the exit door is similiar to the gassies - chassis and axle problems. in short its due to the strcture of the axles, the chassis and the location of the engine that is like this. You may compare this with the VSO but as u know the chassis structure is totally different.
facing seats is not a problem. it may become a problem since singaporeans do not wish to face a stranger across him onboard the bus
tall people as you yourself already said u as a 193cm person got no problems about it -
Originally posted by lemon1974:
can give link?
btw, extracted from ST Forum (sat 19 may)
Someone complained abt B9TLs design...
maybe should ask this guy to visit this forum for better understanding of buses.
Quoted msg
[b]Poor design of new bus makes things worse
ANYONE who has taken a ride on the new SBS Transit buses (for example, service 72 or 147) may feel the same way I do: It has such a poor design. This is especially noticeable during peak hours.
Although the new bus design is nicer on the exterior, it has totally failed in the interior. Let's start at the rear of the interior.
At the rear, there is room for only a single passenger to stand. When someone wants to alight and tries to move out from a back row seat, the standing passenger in the middle of the aisle has difficulty moving aside to make way.
The aisle in the middle of the bus is narrow too, and has space for only a single line of standing passengers. The old design could accommodate double standing lines.
The ceiling is also too low. Taller passengers cannot stand in the aisle in the middle of the bus.
At the rear of the bus, there are two seats on either side facing each other. The design of these seats is questionable too. Very few passengers take them. Often, the the whole bus is packed and these seats are left empty. They are a waste of space on board.
And the step up to the rear of the bus is too high, which makes it a safety hazard. This is bad for passengers, especially the elderly. I saw many of them having difficulty climbing up or down the step. Some did not notice it, or forgot it was there, and almost tripped.
Why design such a high step? Is it to discourage people from moving to the rear of the bus, or to discourage them from standing there?
Maybe because of all this, most passengers prefer to stand near the front exit, which is also the area for handicapped passengers. This area becomes packed as everyone squeezes in there and refuses to move to the rear.
Hence the new design is no improvement on the old one. In fact, it is worse.
Isn't the new design supposed to accommodate more passengers?
The driver likes to yell at passengers to move to the rear, but I guess he hardly looks at the rear himself. With so little space, how can passengers move to the rear? We commuters are really trying already.
I hope the next bus design will be better and able to accommodate more passengers in safety.
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I think 7447A is to replace a bus which went to HGDEP..Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:Absolutely rubbish. I disagree with this viewer's opinion. As a 193 cm person, I have no complaints about the bus's interior design. Legroom space is pretty ok for me and the height is reasonable. If you dont like this bus, don't take it , simple as that.
Anyway, 7410E was spotted on svc 2 this morning, which "champion" saw this bus on 51 ? Anyway 7447A is an additional B9TL bus for BN's svc 7.
As far as I know, svc 161 will not be a WAB svc until Woodlands have lifts installed. Until then, cameo B9TL buses will be on 161 frequently.
As for Woodlands case, does it mean that SMRT doesn't need to deploy WABs in WRI if the lifts are not built, or only built any years down the road? -
''Champion'' foundOriginally posted by Airbus330Captain:Anyway, 7410E was spotted on svc 2 this morning, which "champion" saw this bus on 51 ?
http://www.sgwiki.com/index.php?title=Volvo_B9TL_Olympian&diff=59474&oldid=59421 -
Since when 7326R become HG SP? I've always seen it on Service 2...Originally posted by SBS9806J: -
Originally posted by SBS9806J:
Originally posted by musli_bar:
[QUOTE=musli_bar,May 19 2007, 09:00 PM]
[b]140507
SBS7410E on Svc 51 (ex-BN 2)
Firstly, I BOARDED 7326R on Svc 147. Secondly, I spotted 7410E on Svc 51 along Pasir Panjang Rd, which is a one lane road <_< If you have spotted 7326R with a new ad on Svc 2 then so be it...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, i did not see these two buses. i was editing the layup status of those B9TLs, that i come across these few posts that "musli bar" claim that he saw these two buses.. so i just updated at the same time.. -
http://www.straitstimes.com/portal/site/STI/menuitem.c2aef3d65baca16abb31f610a06310a0/?vgnextoid=7532758920e39010VgnVCM1000000a35010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=vgnartid:5df453d0280a2110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD:STForumArcIOID:ef0f53d0280a2110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD:STForumArcDate:1179611940000Originally posted by SBS9888Y:can give link? -
Originally posted by lemon1974:
I don't really trust musli_bar's spottings for some reasons, like 465T on 105, which turned out to be a hoax.
[QUOTE=musli_bar,May 19 2007, 09:00 PM]
Firstly, I [b]BOARDED 7326R on Svc 147. Secondly, I spotted 7410E on Svc 51 along Pasir Panjang Rd, which is a one lane road <_< If you have spotted 7326R with a new ad on Svc 2 then so be it...[/QUOTE]
Sorry, i did not see these two buses. i was editing the layup status of those B9TLs, that i come across these few posts that "musli bar" claim that he saw these two buses.. so i just updated at the same time..[/b]
For sgwiki pages, please consult other people before editing. A lot of flamewars here have been caused by people not confirming perm list with other people. -
Let's see the B9TLs that went over to HG from BNOriginally posted by off_service:I think 7447A is to replace a bus which went to HGDEP..
As for Woodlands case, does it mean that SMRT doesn't need to deploy WABs in WRI if the lifts are not built, or only built any years down the road?
7311 (the only B9TL to transfer twice) 7381, 7383 and 7386 . (Are there any more ?)
Bus replacements : 7408, 7434,7437,7446 and 7447.
Correct me if I am wrong.
As far as I know, the new WAB buses will be given to Kranji and AMK (first priority). <-- According to my friend working for SMRT. When will they build lifts for WRI ? My friend has been feedbacked about it and usual response is "We will look into this matter . blah blah blah and mind you that was one year a go. " -
We all know what SMRT is like. Always delay . Think their motto should change . "Delaying People , Saving Cost"Originally posted by Airbus330Captain:When will they build lifts for WRI ? My friend has been feedbacked about it and usual response is "We will look into this matter . blah blah blah and mind you that was one year a go. " -
B9TL is the cleanest and most comfortable bus to the date bah... not because of the bus is new or what.. is the colour combination of the interior of the bus make people feel afreshed when u board the bus...
at one occassion... outside my sch.. even non bus fans are fascinated with this bus
the leg space and seats are the most comfortable... sometimes it urged me to take all the way to the interchange