Bus seats too cramped
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nothing funny. Its simple.Originally posted by muziq bus:Its funny that in this forum....when it comes to sharing real knowledge on buses...only the common experts will reply...
but when it comes to stupid topics...one get to see all this new people dicussin on stupid shit...
Not all people are hard-core public bus lovers. U cant expect everyone to know the details of lots of bus routes, bus models, bus numberplates and the history of bus services in spore.
Besides, topics like cramped seats, ticket prices, bus speed etc.........are all related to spore buses.
Why cant pple who are not that knowledgable about bus services, but who take buses most of the time, post topics or reply to the thread? -
X2... Its time or this forum to be more open... qppreciate all the feedbacks
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i believe the main complaint would be the older buses in SBST fleet mainly the Volvo WA's. But do understand the buses were purchased quite a while back (close to 15 years for some) & 15 years ago, the size of Singaporeans are not tt developed. Bus companies do take note of the demographic patterns and passengers height & weight before decidind on the configuration of the bus seating arrangement...
Compare now, MIVs, VSOs are more spacious rite?
if u tink sv151 is crammed, tink of the poor tourists who take sv36, SBST BN has allocated SBS1771C & SBS1773Y and sometimes SBS1706 for sv36 SP fleet during peak & SAT,SUN & PHs svc... -
If these buses come, I will try not to take...Originally posted by Acx1688:i believe the main complaint would be the older buses in SBST fleet mainly the Volvo WA's. But do understand the buses were purchased quite a while back (close to 15 years for some) & 15 years ago, the size of Singaporeans are not tt developed. Bus companies do take note of the demographic patterns and passengers height & weight before decidind on the configuration of the bus seating arrangement...
Compare now, MIVs, VSOs are more spacious rite?
if u tink sv151 is crammed, tink of the poor tourists who take sv36, SBST BN has allocated SBS1771C & SBS1773Y and sometimes SBS1706 for sv36 SP fleet during peak & SAT,SUN & PHs svc...
really seats are so cramped until it hurts your knees. Scrap these MK2 !!!!! -
Well, I think although this is an open forum for all to discuss about things related to Singapore buses, the least we should do is to post responsibly and sensibly so that there is a basis for amicable and purposeful discussion.
As the saying goes, if everyone takes the good ones, who would take the bad ones?
Looking through this thread, I personally feel:
1) As sbs_boy had pointed out, those 18 seater buses would be best. Hardly anyone would complain about seats being too crammed. But try putting them on high demand services during peak hour, and that includes svc 151. Next thing we know is that the same people start complaining about unable to board the bus and starts another thread about too few bus seats. Let's say the bus companies decide to improve and spend more money on these buses. Bus fares go up as a result. The same people start complaining the bus fares increase.
Given the choice, would you want to tahan being crammed but able to board the next bus or a very spacious seat after waiting for like 1 hour during your daily commmute? Of course, the same group of people will start blaming the PTC, LTA, SBST, SMRT and whoever else for the fare increase and yet they have to wait one hour for their bus. The bus companies can put in more buses, but with twice the number of buses on the roads, jams at bus stops, major roads and thus bunching of the same service is bound to occur. Not to mention the chaos at the bus interchanges. Again, the same group would start complaining. Its a never ending cycle for 100% sastifaction.
2) One has to look at the demographic and economic situation of Singapore. Don't forget that when these MkIIs were procured, it was in response to the MRT system that was just being launched. These MkIIs were meant to be used on high capacity, high demand routes. In that time, passengers would probably be happy to squeeze onboard the bus and get a seat on what was then a spanking new bus as compared to the B57s etc. The Volvo MkIIs then featured revoluntionary design and technology. Similarly, 17 years down the road, the same people might complain about B9TLs breaking down here, falling apart there and so lao pok.
3) For goodness sake, one problem that had plaqued this forum and caused much flaming and confusion among participants is the lack for specifics. Granted, the ordinary joe might not know the difference between a mkII and mkIV, but as someone as so correctly pointed out in the papers, they seem to remember the registration crystal clear when they lose something on board, down to the suffix of the rego; but when they complain they give sweeping specifics, of which the bus companies would be hard pressed to solve the problem. Of course they cannot take out the whole fleet to inspect. When they do, the same people complain to the company and demand why is the poor frequency and start the bus fare hike issue all over again.
Thanks for reading and have a good week ahead. -
ya lorz, because my size is naturally big wad, then everytime i seat at this kind of places have to sink my legs in one lor.
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Show me some depth from you and you will convince me. As far as I can see, news hardly reach here. If I have any information, I would gladly share, but not when there is hardly opportunity for me to give here and I think the others who have info are refusing to share here for the same reasons.Originally posted by muziq bus:hey noob...what u tryna prove... maybe i should start stupid topics like "which driver farted the most"... n stop tryna act smart...
n there...u only rebutt me in stupid topics...n not those other topics which requires in depth bus knowledge... -
Muziq, all I can say is that if you stop being high and mighty, we would have more things to discuss, this thread is not exactly the first here you know.
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Nice one, TIB1186Z!!!Originally posted by TIB1186Z:Well, I think although this is an open forum for all to discuss about things related to Singapore buses, the least we should do is to post responsibly and sensibly so that there is a basis for amicable and purposeful discussion.
As the saying goes, if everyone takes the good ones, who would take the bad ones?
Looking through this thread, I personally feel:
1) As sbs_boy had pointed out, those 18 seater buses would be best. Hardly anyone would complain about seats being too crammed. But try putting them on high demand services during peak hour, and that includes svc 151. Next thing we know is that the same people start complaining about unable to board the bus and starts another thread about too few bus seats. Let's say the bus companies decide to improve and spend more money on these buses. Bus fares go up as a result. The same people start complaining the bus fares increase.
Given the choice, would you want to tahan being crammed but able to board the next bus or a very spacious seat after waiting for like 1 hour during your daily commmute? Of course, the same group of people will start blaming the PTC, LTA, SBST, SMRT and whoever else for the fare increase and yet they have to wait one hour for their bus. The bus companies can put in more buses, but with twice the number of buses on the roads, jams at bus stops, major roads and thus bunching of the same service is bound to occur. Not to mention the chaos at the bus interchanges. Again, the same group would start complaining. Its a never ending cycle for 100% sastifaction.
2) One has to look at the demographic and economic situation of Singapore. Don't forget that when these MkIIs were procured, it was in response to the MRT system that was just being launched. These MkIIs were meant to be used on high capacity, high demand routes. In that time, passengers would probably be happy to squeeze onboard the bus and get a seat on what was then a spanking new bus as compared to the B57s etc. The Volvo MkIIs then featured revoluntionary design and technology. Similarly, 17 years down the road, the same people might complain about B9TLs breaking down here, falling apart there and so lao pok.
3) For goodness sake, one problem that had plaqued this forum and caused much flaming and confusion among participants is the lack for specifics. Granted, the ordinary joe might not know the difference between a mkII and mkIV, but as someone as so correctly pointed out in the papers, they seem to remember the registration crystal clear when they lose something on board, down to the suffix of the rego; but when they complain they give sweeping specifics, of which the bus companies would be hard pressed to solve the problem. Of course they cannot take out the whole fleet to inspect. When they do, the same people complain to the company and demand why is the poor frequency and start the bus fare hike issue all over again.
Thanks for reading and have a good week ahead.
FYI, They always refer to SgWiki : SBS Transit Bus Deployment & SgWiki : SMRT Bus Deployment for the bus rego.
Those same ppl you are referring to are mainly kids, they think they are 'Bus Experts' here so they think they can point out what is what when an ordinary joe post his qns here & only want the good ones only...
SD buses during peak hrs, complain...
Unable to board the bus, complain...
Bus breakdown during svc, complain...
BC drive slowly during svc, complain...
Bus bunching due to unspecific problems, complain...
Tropical 3rd gen Singaporeans... -
until this buses are called coaches, u cant find any with wealthy legroom... This companies have mentalities of $$$. A breakeven wudnt do them good and ul see fair rise
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Hmm...Originally posted by SBS9828X:until this buses are called coaches, u cant find any with wealthy legroom... This companies have mentalities of $$$. A breakeven wudnt do them good and ul see fair rise
Not really la, Tibs did give generous seat legroom with their Lances, those seats at the front of the vehicle.
i say Tibs coz they were the ones who bought the Lances, and did the layout, not SMRT. -
I read sumwhere that the lances are not customized by tibs, but UMW for malysian companyOriginally posted by XiaoTaro:Hmm... Not really la, Tibs did give generous seat legroom with their Lances, those seats at the front of the vehicle.
i say Tibs coz they were the ones who bought the Lances, and did the layout, not SMRT. -
wah if everybody complain the seats too cramp, bus opperators might decide on placing seat arrangement just like in the MRT. Big legroom no more cramps and more standing space (more idiots will fall down when the bus brakes).
