Causeway CIQ facilities
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From yesterday's trip to JB, been noticing the slow movement of buses due to those Express coaches
Was thinking, those Express coach should use E3/ Second Link as there are waiting berths available there
Yesterday, saw 6 SBS buses, 1 SJE, 1 SMRT bus & 1 CW1 bus at the JB CIQ towards JB stucked by those Coaches and Bas Kilang
Was there bet 2100 - 2140... Cleared SG CIQ within 10 mins
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si mi xi CIQ and what is the purpose of CIQ..heard of it but dunno what e heck is it?Originally posted by sbst275:From yesterday's trip to JB, been noticing the slow movement of buses due to those Express coaches
Was thinking, those Express coach should use E3/ Second Link as there are waiting berths available there
Yesterday, saw 6 SBS buses, 1 SJE, 1 SMRT bus & 1 CW1 bus at the JB CIQ towards JB stucked by those Coaches and Bas Kilang
Was there bet 2100 - 2140... Cleared SG CIQ within 10 mins -
Customs, Immigration and Quarantine checkpoints............Originally posted by kengkia:si mi xi CIQ and what is the purpose of CIQ..heard of it but dunno what e heck is it?
Passengers would have to get past them to clear their immigration and customs.......and get their passport stamped, their luggage inspected..........
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SG may have sufficient space for buses to conduct custom and immigration, but I think JB CIQ may not have that much space.............at JB there I don't even see there are any space for buses to conduct customs immigration (esp the one towards Johor)
Otherwise SG-JB public buses (160, 170, CW1, CW2, 950) does not need to be delayed at JB CIQ.......... -
so can i said that e notorious causeway jams are caused ym lack of space at JB CIQ..?Originally posted by SGEMP:Customs, Immigration and Quarantine checkpoints............
Passengers would have to get past them to clear their immigration and customs.......and get their passport stamped, their luggage inspected..........
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SG may have sufficient space for buses to conduct custom and immigration, but I think JB CIQ may not have that much space.............at JB there I don't even see there are any space for buses to conduct customs immigration (esp the one towards Johor)
Otherwise SG-JB public buses (160, 170, CW1, CW2, 950) does not need to be delayed at JB CIQ.......... -
This is one of the factors.......there is simply no place at the Johor Bahru Checkpoint for the Johor-bound buses to park and conduct customs inspectionsOriginally posted by kengkia:so can i said that e notorious causeway jams are caused ym lack of space at JB CIQ..?
......another factor being Malaysian bureaucracy.......they check the foreign and SG bus passengers' and car drivers' passports very slowly.........using old coms..........
My brother even see the Msian officials still using Windows 98 to do official tasks at JB checkpoint..............and I even see them using computers that are damaged or became old..............
The third factor, being too much buses on sv170, CW1 and too much Bas Kilang (now knowns as Bas Perkerja, the "workers' bus"; blue in colour).....honestly speaking.....JB roads can't cope with too much buses.............so does the JB CIQ...............
And the fourth factor being too much trucks.........they are much longer n slower than buses........and so easily causing jams.........
The last factor is, the KTM railway between M'sia and SG being terribly underused. It could have the potential to ease the SG-JB causeway jams and make passengers to not to rely too much on buses. But too bad, the KTM trains are always late, their coaches too old, have some safety problems, and the train runs not frequent (I have noted that they run [b]into and out[b] of SG at the frequency of 2-3hrs)..............and yeah they are a bit too "expensive"
This has caused them to rely on buses, leading the need for more buses, and thus causing jams near the CIQs............ -
Yesterday was the worst, ended up only 1 lane used by car along Fed Rt 1 (Os KTM Stn).
In total, 6-7 160/ 170, abt 4 Bas Kilang, 3 coaches (2 SG reg, 1 MY reg), 1 SMRT, 1 CW bus and abt 2 mini bus -
The clearance the worst is that, most cases they dun key in your departure details into the system, that's why they said 8m Singaporeans didn't MY last yearOriginally posted by SGEMP:This is one of the factors.......there is simply no place at the Johor Bahru Checkpoint for the Johor-bound buses to park and conduct customs inspections
......another factor being Malaysian bureaucracy.......they check the foreign and SG bus passengers' and car drivers' passports very slowly.........using old coms..........
My brother even see the Msian officials still using Windows 98 to do official tasks at JB checkpoint..............and I even see them using computers that are damaged or became old..............
The third factor, being too much buses on sv170, CW1 and too much Bas Kilang (now knowns as Bas Perkerja, the "workers' bus"; blue in colour).....honestly speaking.....JB roads can't cope with too much buses.............so does the JB CIQ...............
And the fourth factor being too much trucks.........they are much longer n slower than buses........and so easily causing jams.........
The last factor is, the KTM railway between M'sia and SG being terribly underused. It could have the potential to ease the SG-JB causeway jams and make passengers to not to rely too much on buses. But too bad, the KTM trains are always late, their coaches too old, have some safety problems, and the train runs not frequent (I have noted that they run [b]into and out[b] of SG at the frequency of 2-3hrs)..............and yeah they are a bit too "expensive"
This has caused them to rely on buses, leading the need for more buses, and thus causing jams near the CIQs............
It's not the JB roads or the CIQ cannot cope, the prob is the road alignment and the fact that they halved the bus waiting area due to the now scrapped bridge works
Trucks dun use that part of JB CIQ, the worst are the Bas Kilang
The KTM train, the prob I still believe is because of the single tracck layout -
single track layout is the reason why pple dont want to use train n instead rely on busesOriginally posted by sbst275:The KTM train, the prob I still believe is because of the single tracck layout -
But it's hard to convert it to double deck at SG sideOriginally posted by SGEMP:single track layout is the reason why pple dont want to use train n instead rely on buses
It's too narrow esp at Upp Bt Timah, KAP, Buona Vista
Anyway during heavy jams, CW and SMRT buses are rarely seen -
i like to call Bas Kilang as Bas Tai-lang...
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Originally posted by 105090:i like to call Bas Kilang as Bas Tai-lang...
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ermm well, may I know what does "Bas Tai-lang" means?Originally posted by 105090:i like to call Bas Kilang as Bas Tai-lang...
Road hog? -
same la, translate loh (Not cantonese btw)Originally posted by SGEMP:ermm well, may I know what does "Bas Tai-lang" means?
Road hog?
Tai lang means kill human. -
it's more of bus kilang than coaches. Some coaches do take 2nd link eg. SG-Malacca espress and most of them do not stop at JB bus terminal. I don't quite see any bus kilang at 2nd link though. FYI. you can ride the bus kilang, just pay the driver a small sum of money and you can ride on it(some drivers don't allow this). Enter second link is much more expensive than causeway.
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Bas Kilang shuttle is illegalOriginally posted by XTransbus:it's more of bus kilang than coaches. Some coaches do take 2nd link eg. SG-Malacca espress and most of them do not stop at JB bus terminal. I don't quite see any bus kilang at 2nd link though. FYI. you can ride the bus kilang, just pay the driver a small sum of money and you can ride on it(some drivers don't allow this). Enter second link is much more expensive than causeway.
They are only permitted into SG on the basis as factory buses -
A bit off-topic: About 2 yrs ago, there was an illegal service between Singapore (Lavender MRT) to Senai Airport in Johor. LTA had stopped the two buses and went to investigate by LTA later on.Originally posted by sbst275:Bas Kilang shuttle is illegal
They are only permitted into SG on the basis as factory buses
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I thot they are specifically reserved for workers only?!Originally posted by XTransbus:FYI. you can ride the bus kilang, just pay the driver a small sum of money and you can ride on it(some drivers don't allow this).
How can this be?
And yeah, is it that the passengers can quote their destinations if they want to, when they board the bus kilang? -
Bus Kilang no insurance one OK.
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Usually the ''BAS Kilang'' uses what model? I heard is like a Merc .....
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Underground one lahOriginally posted by SGEMP:I thot they are specifically reserved for workers only?!
How can this be?
And yeah, is it that the passengers can quote their destinations if they want to, when they board the bus kilang?
Takes you between the CIQ
Some refuse to take, fears of being caught and suspended by the SG side -
Bas Kilang...... its counterpart is Bas Pekerja...
the rate used to be 50sen from JB, 50cents from SGP. now not sure still operating actively as before.. even got dedicated Bas Kilang for cross-border passengers specially.. and the Bas Kilang was full to the brim even on a weekday afternoon....
that time i took it was when 170 was still NAC. that time, 170 Queues was very very long and the waiting time was also very long.. its only recently that some 170 ends at Kranji... the 170 last time all goes from Larkin to Ban San.... -
varies depending on the operator.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Usually the ''BAS Kilang'' uses what model? I heard is like a Merc .....
some uses small minibuses
other uses old coaches-like buses
but one thing to take note of is that they all are blue in colour.
(FYI, M'sian school buses are yellow in colour, with wordings "BAS SEKOLAH" on its sides.) -
And most of them is NAC typeOriginally posted by SGEMP:varies depending on the operator.
some uses small minibuses
other uses old coaches-like buses
but one thing to take note of is that they all are blue in colour.
(FYI, M'sian school buses are yellow in colour, with wordings "BAS SEKOLAH" on its sides.)
I think there is Merc , MAN etc...can't remember -
yes...some r merz....Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Usually the ''BAS Kilang'' uses what model? I heard is like a Merc .....
and the main reason y many many many coaches and buses choose to use WDL instead of TUAS is bcoz when u go by E3 or 2nd...u haf to pay toll as u will pass through a TOLL PLAZA... -
Looking at skycam
Towards JB terribly jammed, spilled over to bef WDL CIQ
It's the 2nd time on a Sunday