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Average age???Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Nope. I think they should be doing their utmost to convert the fleet to becoming fully air-conditioned. I think that it is smarter for them to extend the age limit, because these buses are built to last, and 15 years is way too short a lifespan for a vehicle. So hardly empty promises, when you look at the introduction of the new WABs and the average age of the fleet is still quite low.
Look, we can say overall bus sv is good, but seeing svs like 151 you know how horrible it can go
17 years means 17 years... It's already good enough taking that SBS buses could only be used for 12 years bef 1990's -
I don't think you realise how good you have it in Singapore. Sydney still has 27 year old buses in service. These are the venerable O.305s but they are starting to get on a bit. You want to keep complaining about 15 year old buses???? When I am in Singapore, I live alongside the 151, the 154, 153, 67, 66, 170, 171, and 186. I cheer for the time I get a B10M Mk II. I don't particularly like the Mk IIIs or the Mk IVs (especially those with Voith gearboxes). Enjoy the buses with character while you can.Originally posted by sbst275:Average age???
Look, we can say overall bus sv is good, but seeing svs like 151 you know how horrible it can go
17 years means 17 years... It's already good enough taking that SBS buses could only be used for 12 years bef 1990's
That said, I'm not too enthused by the way the services have been cut along the Hougang Road corridor with the introduction of the NEL, but every company has to answer to the bottom line. Things in both the big 2 will never return to the days pre semi-privatisation. Bring back the old SBS and TIBS and CSS days. Progress has its pros and cons, unfortunately. -
You go take the NAC MK2 now, the strong smoke smell is bad for health, inhale too much makes 1 drowsyOriginally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:I don't think you realise how good you have it in Singapore. Sydney still has 27 year old buses in service. These are the venerable O.305s but they are starting to get on a bit. You want to keep complaining about 15 year old buses???? When I am in Singapore, I live alongside the 151, the 154, 153, 67, 66, 170, 171, and 186. I cheer for the time I get a B10M Mk II. I don't particularly like the Mk IIIs or the Mk IVs (especially those with Voith gearboxes). Enjoy the buses with character while you can.
That said, I'm not too enthused by the way the services have been cut along the Hougang Road corridor with the introduction of the NEL, but every company has to answer to the bottom line. Things in both the big 2 will never return to the days pre semi-privatisation. Bring back the old SBS and TIBS and CSS days. Progress has its pros and cons, unfortunately.
15 year old?? They are already 18 year old already... The roads are just getting more and more buses that are already less road worthy -
Give me 24 hrs notice and I'll jump on a plane over to Singapore and ride the Mk IIs and the Scanias. As I said, if you think that what you have is bad, with a fully integrated ticketing system, majority air-conditioned fleet and buses which are mostly airconditioned (though not mostly stepless entrance), then don't travel too far out of your little comfort zone (ie across the causewya to Malaysia, to Brazil, to Eastern Europe, to Australia, Fiji (which, funnily enough has alot of ex SBS Albion and leyland Vikings), or anywhere, really.
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Majority aircon fleet???Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Give me 24 hrs notice and I'll jump on a plane over to Singapore and ride the Mk IIs and the Scanias. As I said, if you think that what you have is bad, with a fully integrated ticketing system, majority air-conditioned fleet and buses which are mostly airconditioned (though not mostly stepless entrance), then don't travel too far out of your little comfort zone (ie across the causewya to Malaysia, to Brazil, to Eastern Europe, to Australia, Fiji (which, funnily enough has alot of ex SBS Albion and leyland Vikings), or anywhere, really.
Take 151 NAC MK2, squeeze in a overloaded NAC bus with 100 passenger inside from Macpherson all the way to NUS for more than 1 year plus the smoke smell... Unless you are a real bus nut then you would enjoy in a furnace for 1 hr -
Dude, lighten up a bit willya...
Who asked you to be on the same bus for 1 hr, going from Kent Ridge to Hougang? Jump on it from Kent Ridge to Clementi Rd, change for a 153! I'm sure there are other transfers you can make, with a chance of a/c buses. Look at the fleet of SBST as a whole... most of them are air-conditioned. Methinks you are just complaining for the sake of complaining. -
Forgot to add...Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Dude, lighten up a bit willya...
Who asked you to be on the same bus for 1 hr, going from Kent Ridge to Hougang? Jump on it from Kent Ridge to Clementi Rd, change for a 153! I'm sure there are other transfers you can make, with a chance of a/c buses. Look at the fleet of SBST as a whole... most of them are air-conditioned. Methinks you are just complaining for the sake of complaining.
If going to Macpherson from the same location, get on a 154! Or do the 151 to Dunearn Rd, and change for a 66. There's always options. -
Clementi Rd has 153?Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Dude, lighten up a bit willya...
Who asked you to be on the same bus for 1 hr, going from Kent Ridge to Hougang? Jump on it from Kent Ridge to Clementi Rd, change for a 153! I'm sure there are other transfers you can make, with a chance of a/c buses. Look at the fleet of SBST as a whole... most of them are air-conditioned. Methinks you are just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Complaining for the sake of complaining??? Who are you to force ppl to make unecessary transfer when taking 151 is a direct trip? Unless you are willing to compensate ppl for taking their time to transfer and end up waiting for 2 overloaded 151 along Clementi Rd bef able to board to get to NUS?? -
FFS... If you want to complain, then maybe the more relevant avenue to get your point across would be to SBST direct. From my point of view, I live in a country where I can deal with the heat and humidity which is far worse than Singapore's. You want comfort? Catch a taxi. Or wait for an a/c bus.
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WaitOriginally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:FFS... If you want to complain, then maybe the more relevant avenue to get your point across would be to SBST direct. From my point of view, I live in a country where I can deal with the heat and humidity which is far worse than Singapore's. You want comfort? Catch a taxi. Or wait for an a/c bus.
See if you have the patience to wait for 6 out of the close to 30 buses on 151, and dun care of getting debarred for low attendance
Taxi??? Few hundred dollars of taxi fare a mth you can tahan? Students haven't learn to earn $$ yet know how to spend so much money... -
What is the proportion of non a/c buses to a/c buses on the 151? Again, you haven't told me whether you have gone down the suitable avenues to complain. I've been through university and 4 years of it, and I worked during the time I could just to pay my fees, and still have enough saved for a one year working holdiay to the UK. Travel costs, food costs, and accommodation costs in Sydney are far more extortionist than they are in Singapore. You want to be an apologist for poor uni students, you go ahead.
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3 NAC to 1 ACOriginally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:What is the proportion of non a/c buses to a/c buses on the 151? Again, you haven't told me whether you have gone down the suitable avenues to complain. I've been through university and 4 years of it, and I worked during the time I could just to pay my fees, and still have enough saved for a one year working holdiay to the UK. You want to be an apologist for poor uni students, you go ahead.
Apologist??? Now they have forced everyone to buy 1 type of stamp, only for "Aircon" buses. They go catch ppl for 'makan' them, yet ppl cannot charge them for 'makan' them
No point talking when ppl here cannot be at least have a compassionate heart to others -
Why should I be compassionate when I've had it alot harder than any of you??? Do you realise what you are taking for granted here?
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wah lau. make the sgf server so slow today. knn.
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Then explain to me why svs like 8, 69, 119, 136 can be FAC svs even though there's either high concession usage or serves teritary inst?Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Why should I be compassionate when I've had it alot harder than any of you??? Do you realise what you are taking for granted here?
Wheras long haul like 74, 151, 154 or those serving Ind Est dun deserve?
Looks like to me it's very clear, other than favourtism, the mgmt at the depots dun even manage the services well. It's like I dun like this sv, so more NAC buses.
Feeder buses the fare diff the most is 5c, trunk like 151 can be up to 25c. So a feeder bus even carry until fully loaded, they earn $8 per trip to and fro if based on 80 passengers... Wheras trunk fleet, just 32 passengers from 1 direction trip can get this $8... Carry like siao on feeder earn little, yet they still get priority for a/c fleet. -
NAC Fares are much cheaper as compared to AC Fares over a long distance?
Actually Sv151 NAC MK2 WAs not so bad in terms of pollution and ventilation during off peak, its quite good in fact, BUT try PM Peak for long distance plus lots of people, can die suffocating!!! -
See the tableOriginally posted by SBS9889U:NAC Fares are much cheaper as compared to AC Fares over a long distance?
NAC
$0.59, $0.70, $0.80, $0.90....
AC
$0.64, $0.85, $1.05, $1.15
By the 3rd fare band, it's 25c fare diff -
Again, it comes down to the bottom line. Of course the bus operators are going to strategise and make the more highly patronised services fully A/C. non a/c buses will also consume less fuel, so on the longer haul services, you can get as many journeys out of the one vehicle from one tank of fuel. I think you are taking a rather narrow-minded view of the way things are run, and jumping to conclusions given that you don't have any idea about how to run a bus company.Originally posted by sbst275:Then explain to me why svs like 8, 69, 119, 136 can be FAC svs even though there's either high concession usage or serves teritary inst?
Wheras long haul like 74, 151, 154 or those serving Ind Est dun deserve?
Looks like to me it's very clear, other than favourtism, the mgmt at the depots dun even manage the services well. It's like I dun like this sv, so more NAC buses.
Feeder buses the fare diff the most is 5c, trunk like 151 can be up to 25c. So a feeder bus even carry until fully loaded, they earn $8 per trip to and fro if based on 80 passengers... Wheras trunk fleet, just 32 passengers from 1 direction trip can get this $8... Carry like siao on feeder earn little, yet they still get priority for a/c fleet. -
Bottom line???Originally posted by Windy_hates_B10TLs:Again, it comes down to the bottom line. Of course the bus operators are going to strategise and make the more highly patronised services fully A/C. non a/c buses will also consume less fuel, so on the longer haul services, you can get as many journeys out of the one vehicle from one tank of fuel. I think you are taking a rather narrow-minded view of the way things are run, and jumping to conclusions given that you don't have any idea about how to run a bus company.
The 25c fare diff can significantly increase SBS's revenue collection amt
As for profit, defintely it's much more. Though NAC buses are lighter hence consume lesser fuel... What do you mean by diff of fuel consumption of long and short haul rts when the fc is goes in tandem of the dist travelled forthe rt? -
You clearly have no idea by what I mean when i say "bottom line". The extra fares still add to the profit margine (ie. the bottom line). I can tell you in no uncertain terms that it will still cost more to run an a/c bus than a non a/c bus. Simply because of fuel costs, tyre wear, maintenance, etc. Yes they are longer and carry more pax, but they are heavier and slower than the 2 axle non a/c buses. They also impact more on the road because of their weight.Originally posted by sbst275:Bottom line???
The 25c fare diff can significantly increase SBS's revenue collection amt
As for profit, defintely it's much more. Though NAC buses are lighter hence consume lesser fuel... What do you mean by diff of fuel consumption of long and short haul rts when the fc is goes in tandem of the dist travelled forthe rt? -
I'm sick and tired of the stupid NAC MkII on Service 151 story.
Dear sbst275, you keep on bringing out old wine and trying to recycle the same old grouses again and again like a spoilt record. Aren't you sick and tired of it? And sbst275, if you want to air your views, may I suggest STOMP by ST, or Forum pages, or write to SBS Transit. I think these actions would be more useful than clanging and banging here on the forums Why come here and create unpleasantness.
Your part about compassion is very lame. SBS Transit is not running a charitable organisation. There are stakeholders in every organisation - passengers, staff, shareholders. No doubt the passenger is an important and major stakeholder, but SBS Transit also needs to account to its shareholders too, so they can't be running at a loss can they? They have their rationale for deploying the NAC Mk IIs on Service 151. Why waste perfectly good and operational buses? Besides, with the circle line going to be ready in 2008, there will be service rationalisations and all that. The company is already looking forward in their planning in terms of fleet. I don't think I need to give a word to word explanation on what I think they intend to do.
Look at SMRT buses, they have to resort to putting CSS registered buses so as to boost their fleet. Surely, if SBS Transit does away with all the NAC buses now and deploy AC ones now, where are they going to find the extra AC buses? Take buses from existing services, increase the waiting time for the services, how about withdrawing unprofitable services, rationalise routes etc? If they do that, you will complain. So tell me, what should SBS Transit do? I don't suppose you have the brains or aptitude of management, do you sbst275.
Anyway we are still lucky that we don't have venerable buses here in Singapore as compared to other cities in the world.
Also a note, if you don't like the NAC Mk II, don' t take it if you have a choice. Look for another alternative. If not Beggars Can't Be Choosers.
So stop ranting and raving as though you are some madman leader out to oppose. Enough is enough! -
I totally agree. But let him be, I'm happy to spar with this highly educated university student who knows so much about the way things are run in the fine country he lives in. I already noticed the recurring NAC 151 bus theme, but hey, he keeps replying, so I keep posting. The more complaints there are, the more I'll produce the facts which will discredit the skewed argument. Let the argument continue. If the general enthusiast community thinks that bus services are provided for their convenience, then more of these arguments are going to continue.
Here's my spin on it all. Come the completion of the circle line, watch the bus fleets really start to get reduced. Just watch... you heard it first right here, from me. -
well said.....Originally posted by SBS2798U:I'm sick and tired of the stupid NAC MkII on Service 151 story.
Also a note, if you don't like the NAC Mk II, don' t take it if you have a choice. Look for another alternative. If not Beggars Can't Be Choosers.
So stop ranting and raving as though you are some madman leader out to oppose. Enough is enough!
btw, i dun think he took all these NAC buses also cos he mention before he is driving a car...
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Be it MK2 or Nissan UD, i'm not fussy. I just board them. It's not about comfort. It's about getting to my destination. Furthermore, i'm only paying a dollar plus so i cant be expecting much. That amount cant even get me a proper complete meal in singapore.(not even my school)
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Yeah agreed. whats more , its just a bus that brings you to the destination needed , no need to be so choosy about bus models , when the bus comes , just take it lohOriginally posted by muziq bus:Be it MK2 or Nissan UD, i'm not fussy. I just board them. It's not about comfort. It's about getting to my destination. Furthermore, i'm only paying a dollar plus so i cant be expecting much. That amount cant even get me a proper complete meal in singapore.(not even my school)