Purchasing a public bus to preserve it?
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I really like the design of the Enviro400, so "lusty".Originally posted by Scania:Maybe? Metroline has Enviro 400s and Tridents.
I think ComfortDelgro Engineering should fit the new B9TLs with EDS, it is so much more modern than the traditional sign plates, although at the expense of higher cost. That's why i like the Tridents more than the newer B9TLs. SBSTransit should just buy the Enviro400 to replace the VO2x, while i think SMRT should buy the Enviro300 single deck, to be used on feeder buses, instead of using bendy buses. But the Enviro300 is not a full-sized bus, it is a light bus, which i think is suitable for feeder services. 
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Hmm, how come u like AD so much ah? all Enviros here and there -.-"Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:I really like the design of the Enviro400, so "lusty". I think ComfortDelgro Engineering should fit the new B9TLs with EDS, it is so much more modern than the traditional sign plates, although at the expense of higher cost. That's why i like the Tridents more than the newer B9TLs. SBSTransit should just buy the Enviro400 to replace the VO2x, while i think SMRT should buy the Enviro300 single deck, to be used on feeder buses, instead of using bendy buses. But the Enviro300 is not a full-sized bus, it is a light bus, which i think is suitable for feeder services.
Anyway if u havent noticed, the E300 issnt much popular in the UK, not sure due to what but the design is rather weird. Anyway got to try the E300 first, make sure suspension/shock absorbers issnt like the Lances, if not i rather have a good old o405G with their good ride quality. -
Really.......if you're gonna modify the bus until that stage, its probably more advisable to just scrap the bus and get a new AC DD.Originally posted by Lord_Of_Hayan:We can overcome any difficulties......if i was the chief designer of of the DD somehow
I'll do for you suey suey. 101% guarantee will work. -
I mean take the blueprints, rework everything, and construct a brand new 0305. Pardon me.Originally posted by SBS3625D:Really.......if you're gonna modify the bus until that stage, its probably more advisable to just scrap the bus and get a new AC DD.
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First of all the Enviro300 is not a full sized bus, it is a light bus. Most UK companies bought full-sized buses such as Scania's Omnicity. This may explain why it is not so popular. I like AD because of its modern design, especially the front part of the bus. I also like the Mercedes Citaro, hope SMRT will buy the Citaro L, the tri-axle single decker, similar to SBSTransit's B10M long, instead of more bendy buses, since they suffer from "suspension problems". People at the rear of the bus always have a roller coaster ride in some occasions.Originally posted by XiaoTaro:Hmm, how come u like AD so much ah? all Enviros here and there -.-"
Anyway if u havent noticed, the E300 issnt much popular in the UK, not sure due to what but the design is rather weird. Anyway got to try the E300 first, make sure suspension/shock absorbers issnt like the Lances, if not i rather have a good old o405G with their good ride quality. -
Yea, right.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:First of all the Enviro300 is not a full sized bus, it is a light bus. Most UK companies bought full-sized buses such as Scania's Omnicity. This may explain why it is not so popular. I like AD because of its modern design, especially the front part of the bus. I also like the Mercedes Citaro, hope SMRT will buy the Citaro L, the tri-axle single decker, similar to SBSTransit's B10M long, instead of more bendy buses, since they suffer from "suspension problems". People at the rear of the bus always have a roller coaster ride in some occasions.
People complained about the B10M 3X long, citing difficulties to alight. Unless Citaro L has 3 doors, i would'nt have high hopes. -
I get your point, i guess theres not really a need for E300s as light buses as they have either full-sized buses and their midis there, so not really a need for E300s in UK, for SMRT maybe routes like BB feeders can find it useful, but for high demand trunk services i think i rather have something which has enough seats, like the current o405G. The Citaro L also nt bad as u said, but low floor artics nowdays wont bounce that much as the crazy o405G else it will start scraping the road. And yes, Citaro L can come in a 3 door version, but dont forget u will lose some seats for another door, so might nt be worth in the end.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:First of all the Enviro300 is not a full sized bus, it is a light bus. Most UK companies bought full-sized buses such as Scania's Omnicity. This may explain why it is not so popular. I like AD because of its modern design, especially the front part of the bus. I also like the Mercedes Citaro, hope SMRT will buy the Citaro L, the tri-axle single decker, similar to SBSTransit's B10M long, instead of more bendy buses, since they suffer from "suspension problems". People at the rear of the bus always have a roller coaster ride in some occasions. -
Erm you might want to do some research first. Found out from another website that the particular person had mentioned about the CitaroG moving up and down vigourously for a few seconds when it travelled over a bump at some speed. I think Volvo and Scania should learn from Mercedes, have a horizontally opposed engine for all of its city buses, Horizontally opposed engines permit full low-floor, unlike the B7RLE and the Lances, which have unusual steps at the rear due to the vertical engine. The B12BLE has a horizontal engine as well. Transverse engine placement also permits buses with vertical engines to have full low floor, so maybe Scania chose this arrangement rather than designing a new engine, but i still think that a horizontal engine best suits city buses, dont you think?Originally posted by XiaoTaro:... but low floor artics nowdays wont bounce that much as the crazy o405G else it will start scraping the road. . -
Frankly speaking, SMRT should buy the CitaroL for those feeder services like those in Woodlands and Yishun, as well as other places. The version should have 3 doors, for rapid transfer of passengers. Anyway Citaro had just got a new facelift, it was the second generation of the Citaro family.
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I took at CitaroG in the UK before, the rear doesnt start bouncing up and down when ur driver starts to floor the acclerator while climbing a slope unlike the o405G (try that on 61 and u will get what i mean) , dont mention normal roads, its as stable as a rigid. Bump as in those like raised crossings? Try Svc 811 and see what u can get on a o405G. U can even lose balance if the driver just ignore the raised crossing and start acclerating over it.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm you might want to do some research first. Found out from another website that the particular person had mentioned about the CitaroG moving up and down vigourously for a few seconds when it travelled over a bump at some speed. -
I think you got all your terms mixed up. Vertical means that the engine is upright while horizontal means that the engine is lying on its side. Then there is transverse, which means that the engine is perpendicular to the chassis, and longitudinal, which is the conventional layout of having the engine in line the chassis. Having a horizontal engine doesn't mean you can get a full low floor. A good example is the B10M. To have a full low floor, the engine has to be at the rear. Doesn't matter if it is vertical or horizontal.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm you might want to do some research first. Found out from another website that the particular person had mentioned about the CitaroG moving up and down vigourously for a few seconds when it travelled over a bump at some speed. I think Volvo and Scania should learn from Mercedes, have a horizontally opposed engine for all of its city buses, Horizontally opposed engines permit full low-floor, unlike the B7RLE and the Lances, which have unusual steps at the rear due to the vertical engine. The B12BLE has a horizontal engine as well. Transverse engine placement also permits buses with vertical engines to have full low floor, so maybe Scania chose this arrangement rather than designing a new engine, but i still think that a horizontal engine best suits city buses, dont you think?
The Citaro's engine, although longitudinal, is displaced slightly to the left to allow the placement of a door at the rear. Mind you, this last door has 1 step. Volvo's equivalent is the B10L. Having a step to access the rear half is not unusual. Doesn't have anyhthing to do with the engine. You can always put an inclined platform. The B10BLE has a horizontal engine, so why does it have a step then? That's because, in Singapore, there are no doors at the rear, so the idea is to get the seats level with the gangway. -
Ya i know that. Horizontal is whereby the engine is on its side, whereas transverse is the position of the engine, just like those found on front wheel drived cars. Actually i wrote wrongly. What im trying to say is that a good low floor bus should only have an inclined platform, because otherwise it is only low-entry. Go look at the Mercedes website, look for the 360 degree view, there isn't any steps from the front of the bus all the way to the rear, unlike the B7RLE, which has an unusual step at the rear. As for XiaoTaro, you've taken a CitaroG before? That's quite cool! Anyway may i know whether the CitaroG's engine is as noisy as the 0405G? Cause there's 2 engine option available, one is OM906hLa(6.4l) another is OM457hLa, the engine that have the same displacement as the OM447hLa.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:I think you got all your terms mixed up. Vertical means that the engine is upright while horizontal means that the engine is lying on its side. Then there is transverse, which means that the engine is perpendicular to the chassis, and longitudinal, which is the conventional layout of having the engine in line the chassis. Having a horizontal engine doesn't mean you can get a full low floor. A good example is the B10M. To have a full low floor, the engine has to be at the rear. Doesn't matter if it is vertical or horizontal.
The Citaro's engine, although longitudinal, is displaced slightly to the left to allow the placement of a door at the rear. Mind you, this last door has 1 step. Volvo's equivalent is the B10L. Having a step to access the rear half is not unusual. Doesn't have anyhthing to do with the engine. You can always put an inclined platform. The B10BLE has a horizontal engine, so why does it have a step then? That's because, in Singapore, there are no doors at the rear, so the idea is to get the seats level with the gangway. -
Erm XiaoTaro, since you have taken the CitaroG before, do you think that the seats are similar to Vogelsitze seats? It is very similar to those on the newer Habits and the Volgren 0405G.
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Erm i found this video of a Mercedes 0405G in Bulgaria. Anyone can guess what is the gearbox? I think is a Mercedes gearbox.
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Engine is softer both on the inside and outside, the orginal seats on Citaros are softer than the super HARD Vogelsitze seats on the newer habits.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm XiaoTaro, since you have taken the CitaroG before, do you think that the seats are similar to Vogelsitze seats? It is very similar to those on the newer Habits and the Volgren 0405G. -
EH NEWS HERE NEWS HERE! LTA has confirmed with me that we, ordinary citizens are not allowed to have a used bus for our own usage.
Too bad. Just hope that we own a transport company lor. Then can take the bus anytime you want. 
Anyway you are right, the original Vogelsitze seats is VERY HARD, but at least is designed such that our body sits comfortably on them, giving it a name called the "bucket seats" And i think the seats are very nice on low floor buses. One thing i dont like about the VO2x and VO3x seats is that since im light and when someone sits beside me, the air inside will be pushed towards me, causing me to rise up a little, not a good thing. 
Anyway is the B9TL's bhp 300bhp or 340bhp? -
Have become an extraordinary citizen then can have a used bus ar?Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:EH NEWS HERE NEWS HERE! LTA has confirmed with me that we, ordinary citizens are not allowed to have a used bus for our own usage. Too bad. Just hope that we own a transport company lor. Then can take the bus anytime you want. Anyway you are right, the original Vogelsitze seats is VERY HARD, but at least is designed such that our body sits comfortably on them, giving it a name called the "bucket seats" And i think the seats are very nice on low floor buses. One thing i dont like about the VO2x and VO3x seats is that since im light and when someone sits beside me, the air inside will be pushed towards me, causing me to rise up a little, not a good thing. Anyway is the B9TL's bhp 300bhp or 340bhp?
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I wanna buy a bus so that I can install jet engines.
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Frankyl speaking, you wouldn't want a jet engine installed on your bus. Your bus will disintegrate into pieces under enormous stresses caused by the jet engine!Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:I wanna buy a bus so that I can install jet engines. 
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'Zhng' my citizenship...Originally posted by Lord_Of_Hayan:Have become an extraordinary citizen then can have a used bus ar?
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VO2x? I'm not particularly fond of this bus because I feel awkward when sitting inside. The seats on the rear upper saloon is too far apart and you tend to slide all over wheeras it is cramped on the lower saloon. Its 2 safety bars are located on the inside and its not nice to knock into them as the bus moves. Also, it prevents me from resting my elbow on the window sill. And then it has a Voith gearbox. When the BC guns it, the engine revs so high it feels as if there is a missing gear.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Frankyl speaking, you wouldn't want a jet engine installed on your bus. Your bus will disintegrate into pieces under enormous stresses caused by the jet engine! Erm VO2x bus fans, what are the good and bad things bout the VO2x?
The only good thing I can think of is that, being NAC, no power is being robbed from the engine and so it can gain speed quite well. -
the VO3x has excellent leg room on top.
however, it can travel very slow when it wants to, and is very hot sometimes, as the fans are hardly switched on..
sometimes can mistaken it for a VO3x...
only service with VO2x and VO3x is 74 and 154..
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I agree. Take the VSO as an example(excluding SBS9888Y). The engine revs so high at the first gear that the radiator noise becomes very loud. Think it has this problem because it has only 3 speeds, as compared to 4-speed in most ZFs and 6-speeds in some B9TLs, therefor requiring the bus to be engaged on the first gear longer than usual to help the bus pick up speed. This is the reason why i prefer ZFs over Voiths. I like buses with ZFs because it accelerates very well, although as described by SBSTransit the last gear is "wasted", since Voiths can achieve the same highest speed with just 3-speed. However i beg to differ.New ZFs have multi speeds, which allows heavier buses such as DDs to pick up speed easier, due to it allowing the engine's power to be used effectively at all speedsOriginally posted by The_Bus_Guide:And then it has a Voith gearbox. When the BC guns it, the engine revs so high it feels as if there is a missing gear. -
aiyaa we all SG buses forum members can use our savings then gather them together and create or better buy smrt buses and then rename it lah.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:EH NEWS HERE NEWS HERE! LTA has confirmed with me that we, ordinary citizens are not allowed to have a used bus for our own usage. Too bad. Just hope that we own a transport company lor. Then can take the bus anytime you want. Anyway you are right, the original Vogelsitze seats is VERY HARD, but at least is designed such that our body sits comfortably on them, giving it a name called the "bucket seats" And i think the seats are very nice on low floor buses. One thing i dont like about the VO2x and VO3x seats is that since im light and when someone sits beside me, the air inside will be pushed towards me, causing me to rise up a little, not a good thing. Anyway is the B9TL's bhp 300bhp or 340bhp?
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Hey guys! Now imagine that we are living in the US and that there were few second hand buses for sale. These are: VO2x,VO3x,LO3x; Scania N113CRB , Volvo B10M MKII. If you got the money, which one will you buy? I would certainly buy the VO2x! I love them! Then i will change the seat's cover, cuz i realized that some VO2x had alot of cuts and holes in their seats.