Purchasing a public bus to preserve it?
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LO3x...
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Scania N113 CRB. Actually I would Buy all execpt O405. Cuz O405 got so many in SG.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Hey guys! Now imagine that we are living in the US and that there were few second hand buses for sale. These are: VO2x,VO3x,LO3x; Scania N113CRB , Volvo B10M MKII. If you got the money, which one will you buy? I would certainly buy the VO2x! I love them! Then i will change the seat's cover, cuz i realized that some VO2x had alot of cuts and holes in their seats. -
Yea i love the LO3x! Especially the "Wheeerrrrrooooorrrrr" sound! But the bus is rather shaky and less comfortable on the top. Anyway, its a great bus! This is the DD list for me(older DDs), most favourite first, VO2x----->LO3x--->VO3x(3rd batch).Originally posted by stooper:LO3x... 
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But there won't be any more O405 when they get withdrawn...Originally posted by SBS1985C:Scania N113 CRB. Actually I would Buy all execpt O405. Cuz O405 got so many in SG. -
I would buy the whole fleet if I had the Cash (Inc O405*).Originally posted by stooper:But there won't be any more O405 when they get withdrawn...
Edit: Lets just say... I am more interested to preserve the bus models residing in BNDEP and HGDEP.
*For the O405 I would rip their AC apart and smash all their windows.... And retrofit them without any ac and Sliding Windows. Of course... the hole in the roof will be fixed.
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Told you earlier lor.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:EH NEWS HERE NEWS HERE! LTA has confirmed with me that we, ordinary citizens are not allowed to have a used bus for our own usage.
Too bad. Just hope that we own a transport company lor. Then can take the bus anytime you want. 
Anyway you are right, the original Vogelsitze seats is VERY HARD, but at least is designed such that our body sits comfortably on them, giving it a name called the "bucket seats" And i think the seats are very nice on low floor buses. One thing i dont like about the VO2x and VO3x seats is that since im light and when someone sits beside me, the air inside will be pushed towards me, causing me to rise up a little, not a good thing. 
Anyway is the B9TL's bhp 300bhp or 340bhp?
There was also a time when ordinary folks can purchase van for personal use, but due to abuse cannot also already.
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I beg to differ, I prefer voith equipped buses bcos their acceleration is more steady and the top speed tends to be higher bcos the gearbox is quite long-legged. Of course down-side is high revving and in the case of MKIIIs, the gears are sticky downwards. ZF buses tend to push off faster in the beginning but as the gears stretch out later, its acceleration tends to taper off.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:I agree. Take the VSO as an example(excluding SBS9888Y). The engine revs so high at the first gear that the radiator noise becomes very loud. Think it has this problem because it has only 3 speeds, as compared to 4-speed in most ZFs and 6-speeds in some B9TLs, therefor requiring the bus to be engaged on the first gear longer than usual to help the bus pick up speed. This is the reason why i prefer ZFs over Voiths. I like buses with ZFs because it accelerates very well, although as described by SBSTransit the last gear is "wasted", since Voiths can achieve the same highest speed with just 3-speed. However i beg to differ.New ZFs have multi speeds, which allows heavier buses such as DDs to pick up speed easier, due to it allowing the engine's power to be used effectively at all speeds
If you compare AC MKII dm and MIII, you'll find that MKII faster in beginning, but as the MKIII switches to 2nd, it starts to overtake MKII, proven thrice already.
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But ZF buses can climb hill better. Try out the VO2x on the hills and you will know it. Actually the fact that ZF buses are faster in the beginning is due to fact that the gearbox locy-ups. You will feel a slight "boost" when it kicks in. Try taking the Scania L113CRL and you will know it. But i still love ZFs! But i love the VOITHs on the Habits! Its the fastest Voith gear shifting! It just take about 6 secs to shift to the top gear, depending on road conditions.Originally posted by SBS3625D:I beg to differ, I prefer voith equipped buses bcos their acceleration is more steady and the top speed tends to be higher bcos the gearbox is quite long-legged. Of course down-side is high revving and in the case of MKIIIs, the gears are sticky downwards. ZF buses tend to push off faster in the beginning but as the gears stretch out later, its acceleration tends to taper off.
If you compare AC MKII dm and MIII, you'll find that MKII faster in beginning, but as the MKIII switches to 2nd, it starts to overtake MKII, proven thrice already.
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Its perspective.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:But ZF buses can climb hill better. Try out the VO2x on the hills and you will know it. Actually the fact that ZF buses are faster in the beginning is due to fact that the gearbox locy-ups. You will feel a slight "boost" when it kicks in. Try taking the Scania L113CRL and you will know it. But i still love ZFs! But i love the VOITHs on the Habits! Its the fastest Voith gear shifting! It just take about 6 secs to shift to the top gear, depending on road conditions.
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Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
at last sth good about SBS9888Y
I agree. Take the VSO as an example(excluding SBS9888Y ). The engine revs so high at the first gear that the radiator noise becomes very loud. -
Well, the preference of gearboxes is to each of its own. If you want fast acceleration and low engine rev while at cruising speed, then ZF is for you. If you want a smooth ride with less jerkings due to gear shifts and a higher top speed, then Voith is for you. Personally, I feel the ZF is more suitable for the urban city traffic where acceleration is crucial (you don't want to hog the guy behind) and there are lots of stop-and-go. Voith, meanwhile, is more suitable for less demanding sub-urban traffic, where the distance between stops are longer and there's ample time to gain speed without much jostling. Voith gearboxes have a 4th gear overdrive as an option for their gearbox but it seemed impractical for public buses here since it will only kick in at roughly 70 km/h. I believe the Causeway Link MAN 18.250 has a similar Voith gearbox as its S'pore counterparts but, without the yoke of the speed limiter, it is able to shift into overdrive and speed away.
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Hmm....The Voith Habits are not my cup of tea. The engine is being overworked, very noisy and loud, and the bus is going nowhere faster. I think its a waste. I mean, you don't need to rev that much to maintain 60 km/h, especially when you have a 12-litre turbocharged power plant at the back.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:But ZF buses can climb hill better. Try out the VO2x on the hills and you will know it. Actually the fact that ZF buses are faster in the beginning is due to fact that the gearbox locy-ups. You will feel a slight "boost" when it kicks in. Try taking the Scania L113CRL and you will know it. But i still love ZFs! But i love the VOITHs on the Habits! Its the fastest Voith gear shifting! It just take about 6 secs to shift to the top gear, depending on road conditions. -
Hmm... I thought since ZF at top gear only low rpm should be able to have higher speeds, whereas Voith already at high rpm and cannot go much faster?Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:Well, the preference of gearboxes is to each of its own. If you want fast acceleration and low engine rev while at cruising speed, then ZF is for you. If you want a smooth ride with less jerkings due to gear shifts and a higher top speed, then Voith is for you.Voith gearboxes have a 4th gear overdrive as an option for their gearbox but it seemed impractical for public buses here since it will only kick in at roughly 70 km/h. I believe the Causeway Link MAN 18.250 has a similar Voith gearbox as its S'pore counterparts but, without the yoke of the speed limiter, it is able to shift into overdrive and speed away.
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The Voith gearbox can reach higher speeds because the determining factor of top speed is the spacing out of gears, and the number of gears. ZF gears tend to be spaced closer ( try the B9TL) to allow lower rpms at lower speeds. Voith ones are spaced further and this allows a higher speed despite 3 gears. In essence, it means that the difference in gear size is larger in the voith gearbox, while that of the ZF is smaller, giving greater opportunities for lower rpms to be possible.Originally posted by stooper:So Singapore's Voith buses also have overdrive? Just that the speed limiter doesn't allow it to reach that gear?
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eheheh....another reason not to have overdrive.......no more escaping police with a bus.....eheheh