SBS Transit vs SMRT
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[quote]Originally posted by Donavan:
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2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
Case studies for you: 39, 161, 168, 858, 965, 969.
But if SUPER DIRECT the bus will be a low demand. They can try putting 2 svcs , one is this one above , the other one is a new svc to tampines from cck via Toh Guan Rd PIE , then serve Bedok and finally Tampines.
The 1st new svc i plan will serve convienience to ppl in Bt Panjang , ppl in Bt Panjang doesnt have buses going to Pasir Ris -
Pasir Ris is SBST's territory wat.Originally posted by Donavan:Good idea, BUT there is one of PTC's rules:
Services that intend to serve into rival co's territory need to fulfil 2 criteria:
1. Serve 2 of their own territories first. (E.g. SBST svc service Bedok and Tampines first.)
2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
Case studies for you: 39, 161, 168, 858, 965, 969.
Exceptions: 854, NW-NE swap svcs that turned SMRT, 966. -
Hmmm.... SMRT bus services may not be very fast. Yesterday took 700A at night and the bus was lyk zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, super slow!!!
Me is rather impatient yea. Took 45 min to reach home at BP from Orchard, instead of around 25-30 mins! But usually during the morning and the afternoon, most SMRT BCs drive at reasonable speeds, sometimes too fast 
Yesterday took TIB978L (O405G MKII) to Harbourfront. The bus was lyk dragging its gear; vrooooooooooommmmm diaoz vroooooooooooooooommmmmmmm then last gear. -
Don't know who set up all these rules...I think it stupid, as long as it serves the residents well, do we really need to have these hassles.Originally posted by Donavan:Good idea, BUT there is one of PTC's rules:
Services that intend to serve into rival co's territory need to fulfil 2 criteria:
1. Serve 2 of their own territories first. (E.g. SBST svc service Bedok and Tampines first.)
2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
Case studies for you: 39, 161, 168, 858, 965, 969.
Exceptions: 854, NW-NE swap svcs that turned SMRT, 966.
These PTC do so many things obstruct the bus companies for doing new routes, and never bother much to reduce fare. -
I have seen someone written to Today's Voices which is similar to the suggested route! and even suggested to LTA to consider putting up a bus stop between lornie and steven road, to facilitate the transfer of services. Still waiting for the reply from the revelant authorities!Originally posted by swee_heng:Quite a good idea , suggest that this new service from CCK to Pasir Ris will serve CCK WAY , Bt Panjang Plaza , then Petir Rd then follow 960 / 963's route aft Bt Panjang Plaza then head for BKE then W'lands Ave 3 & 2 then SLE , Jln Kayu then go to Pasir Ris via Downtown east. tis will serve convienience to residents in Bt Panjang
PTC is really a nuisance. But according to the many years ago reply from SBST, that in order to infiltrate SMRT's territories, it needs to seek the support and approval of SMRT! Which I have suggested to have day bus service similar from 181 Mid Nite service (181M). And SBST reply is that this service duplicate heavy with 190,700,960. Therefore is unlikely to get the approval from the authorities (PTC and SMRT)! -
Wah..Implement bus route into other territory also must follow rules..In that case, merge the companies together will be better..Not so troublesome when implementing new routes..Originally posted by Donavan:Good idea, BUT there is one of PTC's rules:
Services that intend to serve into rival co's territory need to fulfil 2 criteria:
1. Serve 2 of their own territories first. (E.g. SBST svc service Bedok and Tampines first.)
2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
Case studies for you: 39, 161, 168, 858, 965, 969.
Exceptions: 854, NW-NE swap svcs that turned SMRT, 966. -
lornie road and steven road is very far away from each other. the shortest road to link both roads will be PIE or Dunearn Road, which will be Adam Road insteadOriginally posted by phillipC:I have seen someone written to Today's Voices which is similar to the suggested route! and even suggested to LTA to consider putting up a bus stop between lornie and steven road, to facilitate the transfer of services. Still waiting for the reply from the revelant authorities!
PTC is really a nuisance. But according to the many years ago reply from SBST, that in order to infiltrate SMRT's territories, it needs to seek the support and approval of SMRT! Which I have suggested to have day bus service similar from 181 Mid Nite service (181M). And SBST reply is that this service duplicate heavy with 190,700,960. Therefore is unlikely to get the approval from the authorities (PTC and SMRT)! -
In this case, I have another suggestion. CCK central, CCk Dr, Teck Whye Avenue, CCk road, Bukit Panjang Road, BKE, PIE, Toa Payoh Lor 6, PIE, MacPherson Road, Alijunied Road, Merpati Road, Circuit Road, Ubi Avenue 2, Eunos Link, Hougang Ave 3, Upper Serangoon Road, Hougang Central. 36 stages in total.Originally posted by Donavan:Good idea, BUT there is one of PTC's rules:
Services that intend to serve into rival co's territory need to fulfil 2 criteria:
1. Serve 2 of their own territories first. (E.g. SBST svc service Bedok and Tampines first.)
2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
Case studies for you: 39, 161, 168, 858, 965, 969.
Exceptions: 854, NW-NE swap svcs that turned SMRT, 966.
Passes by Hougang and Eunos and a little bit of Toa payoh which are SBST dominated. Provides direct link from CCK to ubi. -
what abt this? let this new service run from CCK - Pasir RIs via CCK WAY , BT Panjang (follow 960/963's route) then turn to BKE , SLE , Ang Mo Kio then Jalan Kayu , SLE TPE downtown east
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Please post route suggestions here:
http://buses.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=190840
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Route is ok but still too much express sector'sOriginally posted by swee_heng:what abt this? let this new service run from CCK - Pasir RIs via CCK WAY , BT Panjang (follow 960/963's route) then turn to BKE , SLE , Ang Mo Kio then Jalan Kayu , SLE TPE downtown east
and yeah , pls get back to the topic , thank you. -
SMRT is good in term of speed and nothing else!!!!
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true!Originally posted by phillipC:SMRT is good in term of speed and nothing else!!!! -
True. Take the S67 Habits and you will know. They speed better than their wlds brothers, say 960 963. The bus went over a bump at such speed that the bendy portion was like the sound of the see-saw, eee or ee or.Originally posted by phillipC:SMRT is good in term of speed and nothing else!!!! 
190 bendies can speed too ! For sound insulation, i prefer the O405G MKI(aka box bendy) . They sound much softer on the expressway than the Habits, which is a good thing for our ears! 
Frankly speaking i begin to favour SBSTransit over SMRT after the deployment of the B9TLs. SMRT speed is good, but they didn't even have one WAB! Not even one demonstrator. I think SMRT should have a try out on at least one WAB buses such as the OC500LE or even better the Citaro! 
Scania's are not bad though. Not only that low-floor/WAB buses allows easier boarding for trolleys or wheelchairs, it also allows quicker exhange of passengers, which is a good thing for SMRT on svcs such as 67 and 960 and 190 where there is high demand. -
Hmm why not extend 969 to Bukit Panjang? Instead of ending at Woodlands, it will just bypass it, then be on its way to BP either by expressway(963,187) or the dunno what road(used by 178,961,960,160,170, cant remember the road name, sry!) That way, residents can just take 969 all the way to Tampines, then change to MRT(Just one stop only to Pasir Ris) Finish. It just took me 25-35 mins to travel from Tampines to Yishun, so when the route is amended, it shld take us about 45-60 mins to travel from BP to Tampines, depending on traffic situations.Originally posted by swee_heng:[quote]Originally posted by Donavan:
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2. Take the MOST DIRECT ROUTE into the rival co's territory. (969, that one super-direct.)
The 1st new svc i plan will serve convienience to ppl in Bt Panjang , ppl in Bt Panjang doesnt have buses going to Pasir Ris