SMRT tenders for 66 new 12m buses

• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 01:33

  Originally posted by Donavan:

  No doubt, but going by SMRT's financial situation, SMRT should have a Scania trademark. Apparently Mercs will further worsen their financial situation. That's why they are trying to save whenever they can, actually.
  
  Hope for an intelligent route-planner, thinks of a very good high-demand route.
  
  But I must tell you I love Mercedes buses A LOT. To the extent that my so called fantasy company has like 1000+ Citaros (don't shoot me on this, yeah?)

  And Mercedes Benz has sold over 10,000 Citaros all around the world. Its extremely successful.
  
  Scanias are not bad actually. Scania's new engine doesn't uses any additives to be in EuroIV standards, instead it uses its patented EGR technology, unlike Merc which uses BlueTec to be in EuroIV category. Scanias are cheaper than Mercs as said by you guys. And not only its cheaper, its engines are the longest lasting. So its actually killing 3 birds with a stone. And also, its new bus chassis introduced here in SG awhile ago complies with EuroIV standards, with its new 5 cylinder engine. It produces 230hp at 1050nm max torque. Uses EGR technology with no additives needed. Just add Diesel!!! (Scania slogan)
• sBs_boy

  31 Dec 06, 01:46

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  And Mercedes Benz has sold over 10,000 Citaros all around the world. Its extremely successful.

  Take a look.. How many asian countries have Citaros ? Even Australia have none. (Do not talk about the Fuel Cell buses that are on loan..) So. If SMRT were to buy, they would choose O500.. Which is successful in Aust..
• sBs_boy

  31 Dec 06, 01:46

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  And Mercedes Benz has sold over 10,000 Citaros all around the world. Its extremely successful.

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• ^tamago^

  31 Dec 06, 01:56

  Originally posted by Donavan:

  No doubt, but going by SMRT's financial situation, SMRT should have a Scania trademark. Apparently Mercs will further worsen their financial situation. That's why they are trying to save whenever they can, actually.

  thought spare parts is an issue? even though to grow beyond their 75-strong scania fleet would help in economies of scale....
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 02:03

  Originally posted by sBs_boy:

  Take a look.. How many asian countries have Citaros ? Even Australia have none. (Do not talk about the Fuel Cell buses that are on loan..) So. If SMRT were to buy, they would choose O500.. Which is successful in Aust..

  Lol... Yeah, hope SMRT will choose the O500LE......If not, Scania K230 EuroIV's the best contender already. Hopefully they were not bodied by Liannex! ComDel Engr would be good, however they wouldn't do it for their rival i guess. So Volgren's also the best contender around. Habit? Out of question, its freaking expensive i guess.
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 02:08

  Originally posted by sBs_boy:

  Take a look.. How many asian countries have Citaros ? Even Australia have none. (Do not talk about the Fuel Cell buses that are on loan..) So. If SMRT were to buy, they would choose O500.. Which is successful in Aust..

  However, the specs of the O500LE, has anyone seen it? I only know about its technical stuffs, no mention of anythings such as suspension and electronics. Scania however, explains its chassis product clearly . So SMRT may choose Scania i suppose. So lets have a bet. I think SMRT will buy Scania's. How bout you guys?
• Scania

  31 Dec 06, 02:26

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  However, the specs of the O500LE, has anyone seen it? I only know about its technical stuffs, no mention of anythings such as suspension and electronics. Scania however, explains its chassis product clearly . So SMRT may choose Scania i suppose. So lets have a bet. I think SMRT will buy Scania's. How bout you guys?

  The engine displacement of a Citaro is only about 7000cc, comparable to B7RLEs. Citaro Gs have the same engine as the diesel OC500LE. OC500LE is using air suspension lah, if not, will Transperth buy it? OC500LE is better.
• Boy Stratus

  31 Dec 06, 02:42

  I rather them getting more bus instead on 'longer' ones
• XiaoTaro

  31 Dec 06, 03:10

  Originally posted by sBs_boy:

  Take a look.. How many asian countries have Citaros ? Even Australia have none. (Do not talk about the Fuel Cell buses that are on loan..) So. If SMRT were to buy, they would choose O500.. Which is successful in Aust..

  There are many factors why Australia wouldnt get Citaros, firstly the bus have to be fully built up at Germany, and shipped all the way from Europe to Australia.
  
  In comparison, a Citaro 12m can cost up to 400k w/o freight charges, and a O500 bus will definitely cost less as the body will be locally made by Volgen and Custom Coaches in Australia.
  
  Also, note that O500s arnt 2.55m wide, they are still the normal 2.5m.
• Donavan

  31 Dec 06, 03:18

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  thought spare parts is an issue? even though to grow beyond their 75-strong scania fleet would help in economies of scale....

  At least not buy Hino can liao.
  
  Growing from 75 to 141, not bad, not bad. Spare parts x 2. (for Scania).
  
  I don't fancy them looking at Alexander Dennis, they don't make articulated buses anyway; so even if they want a 12m bus, and they're satisfied with it, they have no articulated version to purchase. Not good for SMRT.
  
  Volvo? Zero in the fleet.
  
  Merc? They have a whole ton of spare parts, but I really wonder how much more a Merc chassis costs than a Scania one of similar generation.
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 03:19

  Originally posted by Scania:

  The engine displacement of a Citaro is only about 7000cc, comparable to B7RLEs. Citaro Gs have the same engine as the diesel OC500LE. OC500LE is using air suspension lah, if not, will Transperth buy it? OC500LE is better.

  Nope. Regarding the engine, Citaros have two options. They can choose the puny 7 litre OM906hLA (used in both Citaro and Citaro Gs as well) diesel engine, or the biggest, 11967cc (12 litre) engine, with outputs of 299hp(both Citaro and Citaro Gs) and 354hp(used for Citaro Gs only).. Regarding the suspension, Citaro is not using electronically controlled air-suspension arh?
• XiaoTaro

  31 Dec 06, 03:22

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  Nope. Regarding the engine, Citaros have two options. They can choose the puny 7 litre OM906hLA (used in both Citaro and Citaro Gs as well) diesel engine, or the biggest, 11967cc (12 litre) engine, with outputs of 299hp(both Citaro and Citaro Gs) and 354hp(used for Citaro Gs only).. Regarding the suspension, Citaro is not using electronically controlled air-suspension arh?

  Citaro is using electronically controlled air-suspension, with kneeling function.
  Same as the Volvo B9s
• ^tamago^

  31 Dec 06, 03:34

  Originally posted by Donavan:

  At least not buy Hino can liao.
  
  Growing from 75 to 141, not bad, not bad. Spare parts x 2. (for Scania).
  
  I don't fancy them looking at Alexander Dennis, they don't make articulated buses anyway; so even if they want a 12m bus, and they're satisfied with it, they have no articulated version to purchase. Not good for SMRT.
  
  Volvo? Zero in the fleet.
  
  Merc? They have a whole ton of spare parts, but I really wonder how much more a Merc chassis costs than a Scania one of similar generation.

  we'll have to see how it works out.
  
  another thing is whether they will still be keen on ZF transmissions. they had been spending a lot of money overhauling their ZF gearboxes.
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 03:58

  Originally posted by ^tamago^:

  we'll have to see how it works out.
  
  another thing is whether they will still be keen on ZF transmissions. they had been spending a lot of money overhauling their ZF gearboxes.

  Erh what you mean? U mean they changed the gearboxes? From ZF Ecomat 4HP500 to ZF Ecomat-2 4HP502 ?
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 03:59

  Originally posted by XiaoTaro:

  Citaro is using electronically controlled air-suspension, with kneeling function.
  Same as the Volvo B9s

  Does the OC500LE has this kneeling function?
• Rooky

  31 Dec 06, 10:55

  i hope SMRT buys japanese or korean buses leh, like UD, Hino, Daewoo....
• iveco

  31 Dec 06, 11:00

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  Nope. Regarding the engine, Citaros have two options. They can choose the puny 7 litre OM906hLA (used in both Citaro and Citaro Gs as well) diesel engine, or the biggest, 11967cc (12 litre) engine, with outputs of 299hp(both Citaro and Citaro Gs) and 354hp(used for Citaro Gs only).. Regarding the suspension, Citaro is not using electronically controlled air-suspension arh?

  The 12L OM457 engine came with Euro III options. However, SG went from Euro II straight to Euro IV.
  
  THe OM906 engine is more for the Brazillian chassis range.
• swee_heng

  31 Dec 06, 11:32

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  However, the specs of the O500LE, has anyone seen it? I only know about its technical stuffs, no mention of anythings such as suspension and electronics. Scania however, explains its chassis product clearly . So SMRT may choose Scania i suppose. So lets have a bet. I think SMRT will buy Scania's. How bout you guys?

  Me too. I guess is a manual one Scania K124IB.
  
• iveco

  31 Dec 06, 11:39

  Originally posted by swee_heng:

  I tink most likely SMRT will be the first to buy Manual transmission buses; Scania K124IB or Mercedes manual one. Most likely Scania K124IB. Or even New UDs , Mitsubishi , Hinos and Isuzus.

  Well, we had buses with manual transmission in the 70s. However, auto gearboxes later became more popular. Some of the Leyland Vikings and Merc OF1413s were converted in the 80s.
• sbst275

  31 Dec 06, 12:29

  Yeah...
  
  Other than WAB, also must be Euro4...
• choww

  31 Dec 06, 12:30

  Finally something new Btw when was the last time when SMRT brought new buses?
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 16:28

  Originally posted by choww:

  Finally something new Btw when was the last time when SMRT brought new buses?

  Non. SMRT didn't buy any buses at all. Only TIBS did the buying. The latest bus was the Habit, which were put into service in 2002/2003.
  
  Regarding WAB and emission, the Scania K230 EuroIV is the most ideal. It complies with EuroIV standards and doesn't use any additives, unlike Merc, which uses BlueTec. It can be WAB, provided that the bodywork is WAB, meaning it has ramps used for wheelchairs. And also one thing good for SMRT, its cheaper than Mercs and its engines last longer.
• Volvo Olympian

  31 Dec 06, 16:39

  Originally posted by choww:

  Finally something new Btw when was the last time when SMRT brought new buses?

  SMRT only re-use the CSS Nissans
• Scania N113CRB luver

  31 Dec 06, 17:11

  Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:

  SMRT only re-use the CSS Nissans

  As goes, usable things must be put into good use. Dont waste!
• XiaoTaro

  31 Dec 06, 18:05

  Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:

  As goes, usable things must be put into good use. Dont waste!

  haha, i agree with u on that!
  
  At least they can improve frequency with those CSS nissans and stop some complains on "Long waiting time for buses" while generating more complains on "Lousy and dirty buses"