SMRT tenders for 66 new 12m buses
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Oi,public bus companies CANNOT use 2nd hand buses.
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OC500LEs will cost less as the mass of the vehicle will be less when shipped (assuming the body is built locally), even if the body is not built by a local bodybuilder, the cost of the brand "Citaro" will not be there, Mercedes Benz spent quite alot of money investing into "Citaro" and thus that cost will be spread across all "Citaro" buses they sold.Originally posted by Scania:OC500LEs would not cost more because they are not bodied yet, but after they get their body, who knows?
Sorry, most operators only choose the option of that OM906hLA cock engine for Citaro.
OM457hLA is the STANDARD on OC500LE and is 11967cc, comparable to an O.405.
Citaro Lags all time.
I have to agree with u that most operators will choose the cheaper OM906hLA engine for the Citaro, BUT do take note that Citaro IS EuroIV (the new ones are EuroV) complient because of its native BlueTec engine addictives, and that the OC500LEs with OM457hLA/OM906hLA are not Euro IV compliant (they are only Euro III, Transperth uses CNG thus their vehicle runs on Euro IV unlike their diesel counterparts). -
Finally TIB1258A coming out
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But SBST re-used the Sentosa Mk IVs.Originally posted by Raraken:Oi,public bus companies CANNOT use 2nd hand buses. -
Another question now. Will the 66 new buses be registered with TIB or another 3 letters? (e.g. SMR?)
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I guess the 66 new buses would still be registered with the TIB plate as SMR is kind of weirdOriginally posted by TIB1049L:Another question now. Will the 66 new buses be registered with TIB or another 3 letters? (e.g. SMR?) -
Ya. Same goes for SBSTransit, why isn't it SBSTxxxx? Should be TIB plate then.Originally posted by SMRT Buses:I guess the 66 new buses would still be registered with the TIB plate as SMR is kind of weird
So final verdict, do you think SMRT will choose Merc brand or Scania? 
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Then SMRT also reuse the Nissans what. What he meant is public transport companies cannot buy second hand vehicles i think.Originally posted by iveco:But SBST re-used the Sentosa Mk IVs. -
I hope to SMRT ultimate choice would be Mercedes-BenzesOriginally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Ya. Same goes for SBSTransit, why isn't it SBSTxxxx? Should be TIB plate then. So final verdict, do you think SMRT will choose Merc brand or Scania? -
Bcoz Singapore Registration plate dun have 4 alphabets one mah. Or else TIBS would use TIBS instead of TIBOriginally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Ya. Same goes for SBSTransit, why isn't it SBSTxxxx? Should be TIB plate then. So final verdict, do you think SMRT will choose Merc brand or Scania? -
maybe MRTxxxx or SMTxxxx
Sekali SMRT take Hino. -
Its seems that you've only check information at the CItaro side, do you know that the OC500LEs have AdBlue Selective Catalytic Reduction for its diesel engines, which make the engine Euro 4.Originally posted by XiaoTaro:OC500LEs will cost less as the mass of the vehicle will be less when shipped (assuming the body is built locally), even if the body is not built by a local bodybuilder, the cost of the brand "Citaro" will not be there, Mercedes Benz spent quite alot of money investing into "Citaro" and thus that cost will be spread across all "Citaro" buses they sold.
I have to agree with u that most operators will choose the cheaper OM906hLA engine for the Citaro, BUT do take note that Citaro IS EuroIV (the new ones are EuroV) complient because of its native BlueTec engine addictives, and that the OC500LEs with OM457hLA/OM906hLA are not Euro IV compliant (they are only Euro III, Transperth uses CNG thus their vehicle runs on Euro IV unlike their diesel counterparts). -
Hmm Hino or whatever, as long it has air-suspension, we wouldn't hate the bus right guys? Also, Japanese buses might be EuroIV compliant, but are they WAB in the first place?Originally posted by XTransbus:maybe MRTxxxx or SMTxxxx
Sekali SMRT take Hino.
Eh skarly SMRT register it as TBTxxxx , cause is Trains , Buses , Taxis mah.
Also, if they choose Japanese buses, i want them to be Voithed leh! Want to see how they perform with Voith! 
Chassis whatever sh1t i dont care, most important is the bodywork. If the bodywork is excellent and beautiful like the Habit and the B9TL's and Volgren's, even if the chassis suck, it would make the bus a favourite.
Regarding the OC500LE, i heard from wikipedia that Mercedes Benz will offer an EuroIV compliant OC500LE from late 2005. Not sure if true anot, if its true, SMRT might take a loan from the bank and choose the OC500LE. Btw, do you guys think that the Scania K230 with an EuroIV 230hp engine is underpowered? I dont think so leh. Despite only 230bhp and five cylinders, it produces 1050nm of torque, which is quite sufficient, maybe it only cannot speed.
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The Sentosa Mk 4s were indirectly owned by SBST.Originally posted by iveco:But SBST re-used the Sentosa Mk IVs. -
Apparently they needed special clearance from LTA to do so. Can anyone verify that?Originally posted by SBS9818A:The Sentosa Mk 4s were indirectly owned by SBST. -
Hmm found out that the low-floor bus from Hino is the Rainbow i think. It is low floor, not sure about the emmission, should be EuroIV compliant i think. But its engine is only rated at 250ps(bhp), comparable to the Merc O405. But i dont think japanese buses really suit SG. Would prefer European ones. Firstly, most european buses(well known brands) are EuroIV compliant (some are even EuroV), secondly, all/most new european buses are low-floor or WAB. That's what i think.
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SBS, before they all merge and became part of ComfortDelGro, and before they got renamed as SBSTransit, owns SBS Leisure, which owns the Sentosa Mark 4.Originally posted by iveco:But SBST re-used the Sentosa Mk IVs.
In this case, it is just a transfer from a subsidiary company back to the parent company, so no problem there.
Likewise for TIBS, which before they merged and became SMRT buses, owns SSB, now SSB comes under SMRT Buses, so again, this is a case of subsidiary company transfering buses back to the parent company, so no problem either.
Sometimes I wish that all you guys would go and do some more research before coming in here and asking these questions! -
So after the speculations, would it amount to the best possibility; the OC500LE? Or something else?...
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China bus they use daewoo chassi and nissan is confirm out .Left Scania and Mercedes-Benz but i heard from people Scania euro IV can use normal diesal and it semi auto gearbox .How about Volvo???
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I read this news some time ago that one PRC bus builder cloned a Neoplan bus.
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I've seen an almost exact copy of the ALX200 body by King Long before...Originally posted by iveco:I read this news some time ago that one PRC bus builder cloned a Neoplan bus. I wonder how the bus will survive if an accident happens... -
The bus will be crushed like the long milo tin can.Originally posted by stooper:I've seen an almost exact copy of the ALX200 body by King Long before... I wonder how the bus will survive if an accident happens...
And MitEvolution, Scania's semi-auto trans is OptiCruise i think, whereas Volvo's is iShift. Dont think semi-auto will be used in city buses, cause its 12-speed in both transmission. 6-speed is already like more than enough, let alone 12-speed. 12-SPEED! Keep on upshifting and downshifting all the time!
Yes, that's why Scania's slogan is "Just add Diesel!" . When using Scania's EGR technology, you dont need any additives for the engine to be EuroIV compliant, unlike Mercedes Benz, which uses BlueTec to be EuroIV. So without the use of any additives, extra cost are cut and money is saved.
I still think Scania's the best option. Reason? Its cheaper than Volvo and Merc. Its cheaper yet it lasts longer. Its cheaper yet it doesn't use any additives to be EuroIV. The only bad thing about the K230 is its minute engine. Produces only 230bhp, but a healthy 1050nm(or is it 1025nm? cant rmbr clearly. 
) But still, the torque is enough to push a fully packed Scania. Also if introduced on SG roads, it will be the only city bus to have a 5 cylinder engine. -
Firstly, BlueTec is the same thing as AdBlue Selective Catalytic Reduction.Originally posted by Scania:Its seems that you've only check information at the CItaro side, do you know that the OC500LEs have AdBlue Selective Catalytic Reduction for its diesel engines, which make the engine Euro 4.
And, OC500LE chassis do not currently support such engine/exhaust additives to ensure compliancy with EuroIV. The only OC500LE/LF with EuroIV is their CNG counterparts, not the diesel ones. (Please kindly correct me with a source if i am incorrect)
Also, SMRT may also be interested with OC500LFs, which is derived from the Citaro, it is a modular chassis, but different from OC500LE because it is true Low Floor, from the entrance all the way to the back of the vehicle(similar to Citaro). However, OC500LEs is not truely low floor as there is a step after the rear exit, similar to SBST's B10BLE CNGs. -
Maybe still remain TIB platesOriginally posted by XTransbus:maybe MRTxxxx or SMTxxxx
Tibs was already taken over by SMRT when TIB1248D-TIB1257C were re-registered from CSS regos, in Sept 2004 -
Yea. OC500LE whereas the LE stands for Low Entry, whereas OC500LF stands for OC500, Low Floor. I only know about the OC500RF (raised floor), which is featured on SG's website of Mercedes Benz.Originally posted by XiaoTaro:Firstly, BlueTec is the same thing as AdBlue Selective Catalytic Reduction.
And, OC500LE chassis do not currently support such engine/exhaust additives to ensure compliancy with EuroIV. The only OC500LE/LF with EuroIV is their CNG counterparts, not the diesel ones. (Please kindly correct me with a source if i am incorrect)
Also, SMRT may also be interested with OC500LFs, which is derived from the Citaro, it is a modular chassis, but different from OC500LE because it is true Low Floor, from the entrance all the way to the back of the vehicle(similar to Citaro). However, OC500LEs is not truely low floor as there is a step after the rear exit, similar to SBST's B10BLE CNGs.