Volvo B10BLE (CNG)
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CoolOriginally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:The new video, now all three are put together, unlike separately like last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0VbQIxyluM
PLS VIEW AND COMMENT ON TI!
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Originallythe lock-up clutch does not kick in if the bus is accelerating fast. If it does when the bus is accelerating slower, then instead of the characteristical kick, you get teeth grinding sounds instead.[/b]
You sure it won't kick in? Do you have an example?
Everyday I take the LO3x and the driver floors the accelerator, no matter what, the lock up will still kick in. -
TIB1182J sometimes dont, almost near 2nd gear then kick in. Especially when its fully loaded and BC puts full trottle. TIB967T has no lock up, strange.Originally posted by stooper: You sure it won't kick in? Do you have an example?
Everyday I take the LO3x and the driver floors the accelerator, no matter what, the lock up will still kick in.
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Some Mercz have ZF gearboxes.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Both also dont have ZF gearboxes Except for SBS876R and SBS877M. -
Most 29 BC prefers Scanias as compared to MK III or MK IVs. Maybe thats because they are "used to" driving the N113s.Originally posted by SBS3625D:I asked a BC for fave bus and he pointed to the MKIII and an 0405.
As for breakdowns, I've come across many occasions of stuck ZFs, but 1 Voith (9844Z) to date. -
It should still be there. For the LO3x, the lock up sounds very different when being floored. That's why I am always able to identify when the driver is flooring the bus.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:TIB1182J sometimes dont, almost near 2nd gear then kick in. Especially when its fully loaded and BC puts full trottle. TIB967T has no lock up, strange.
Normally, it would sound like this.
(driver steps LO3x accelerator)
1. engine pitch increases
2. ZF gearbox starts whining
3. engine pitch drops (lock up)
BUT when the driver is flooring, you won't hear the engine pitch drop. You'll only be able to hear the ZF start whining and when it finally changes from 1st to 2nd gear, it'll sound like it has changed 2 gears or the gear changing takes longer than usual. -
Without a powerful bus like Scania, how do they climb the steep slope ?Originally posted by SBS1985C:Most 29 BC prefers Scanias as compared to MK III or MK IVs. Maybe thats because they are "used to" driving the N113s. -
Erm.. Merdz do NOT have ZFs.. unless you are talking about the SMRTB Merdz.Originally posted by SBS1985C:Some Mercz have ZF gearboxes. -
I stand corrected.Originally posted by SBS1985C:Some Mercz have ZF gearboxes.
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For the sake of mankind, it's my duty to inform you that SBS Transit MB O.405 are equipped with Mercedes gearbox, and a number of them with Voith 3-speed transmission.Originally posted by SBS1985C:Some Mercz have ZF gearboxes. -
Originally posted by SBS9816E:For the sake of mankind, it's my duty to inform you that SBS Transit MB O.405 are equipped with Mercedes gearbox, and a number of them with Voith 3-speed transmission.
I got startled when he say SBST Merc got ZF transmission. I thot another of my infro is wrong again. Now im not wrong. -
So you're saying Dave is misguided?Originally posted by SBS9818A:It simply means one is correct and the other is misguided. -
How about Alan Neo is misguided? That word is more apt to describe you, really. I did not imply anything about Dave at all in my post, if you choose to put words in my mouth it goes to show your character, really.Originally posted by ^tamago^:So you're saying Dave is misguided? -
But ain't I comparing Dave and MS? Or do you just like to shoot without checking the context, or merely using a proper question I'm asking as an excuse to jump at and attack people you don't like, like what you always do around here?Originally posted by SBS9818A:How about Alan Neo is misguided? That word is more apt to describe you, really. I did not imply anything about Dave at all in my post, if you choose to put words in my mouth it goes to show your character, really.Originally posted by ^tamago^:sian, one from SBST, one from Australia. >____<Originally posted by ZYX2005:u ought to learn that buses have similarities globally.
for example, a MAN is a MAn is a MAn in hong kong, Ll or singapore. the dash configuration and designs r similar. always mercedes like looking. thats how one mnges to identify buses let alone look at the VIN.
in our case,
the Zf gearbox in Singapore fitted on whatever model u got here will have the same gear ratios if fitted on a similair model overseas. one example i cna think of is the VSO SBS9888Y compared to hong Kongs VSO.Originally posted by ^tamago^:then how do people come to different conclusions? is it necessary that people must think like how you think? Originally posted by SBS9818A:It simply means one is correct and the other is misguided.Originally posted by ^tamago^:So you're saying Dave is misguided? -
The context of your post was in general, so I replied in general as well. Do I see names being bandied about in your post?
Your post was this
Originally posted by ^tamago^:
then how do people come to different conclusions? is it necessary that people must think like how you think? -
What I meant here is, Dave is entitled to his views on ZF. As mentioned by ZYX, if buses are the same everywhere, why do we have different conclusions coming out from two different countries? Do we have to have the share the same view that Voith is good and hit hard on ZF supporters?Originally posted by SBS9818A:The context of your post was in general, so I replied in general as well. Do I see names being bandied about in your post?
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Originally posted by ^tamago^:
then how do people come to different conclusions? is it necessary that people must think like how you think? [/quote]
And how can different conclusions be given a subjective label as 'misguided'? Is that how you view others who don't think the way you think?
I see no one clarifying anything once a name comes out, but I only see arrows. If this had to degrade to a name-calling war, I think I know the standard of discussions that will entail. -
i agree with tamago
Some people like Voiths some people like ZFs.
u gotta have ur own opinion otherwise whats the point of talking here?
i have come to like Voiths given the rides i got with em in Hk were...how u say...superb! no sudden jerks like ZFs. comfortable.
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I personally preferred Voith over ZF for smoother transmission. The only exception I have are with the SMRT bendies.Originally posted by ZYX2005:i agree with tamago
Some people like Voiths some people like ZFs.
u gotta have ur own opinion otherwise whats the point of talking here?
i have come to like Voiths given the rides i got with em in Hk were...how u say...superb! no sudden jerks like ZFs. comfortable.
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Lol, so me and dave stick to ZF.
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just to add one more of my mad opinions
i feel scania shd be left as they are with the scania gearbox. better than these Voith one. macham lose their kick since they got Voith-ed
YX
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For a while i thought he's saying about the defunct SBST Merc bendy...Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:
I got startled when he say SBST Merc got ZF transmission. I thot another of my infro is wrong again. Now im not wrong. -
Examples? Plenty, just open your ears and have a more sensitive butt.Originally posted by stooper: You sure it won't kick in? Do you have an example?
Everyday I take the LO3x and the driver floors the accelerator, no matter what, the lock up will still kick in.
It is bcos of the ageing ZF MKIV dms that I prefer the Voith ones. In quite a significant number of ZF DDs, the gearbox is pretty much spoilt. I doubt very much if the missing lock-up clutch and the subsequent draggy gears are modifications, one evidence is that, with the exception of 9423E, the buses get "cured". Just a matter of when they fix it I guess. Not even the LO3Xes are spared, I had taken 9172D some time ago and was disappointed to find it behaving exactly what I had expected on the mutated VO3Xes. -
All the 18 179 LO3xs still have the lock-up clutch present, even after all the non-stop flooring throughout the whole journey.Originally posted by SBS3625D:Examples? Plenty, just open your ears and have a more sensitive butt.
It is bcos of the ageing ZF MKIV dms that I prefer the Voith ones. In quite a significant number of ZF DDs, the gearbox is pretty much spoilt. I doubt very much if the missing lock-up clutch and the subsequent draggy gears are modifications, one evidence is that, with the exception of 9423E, the buses get "cured". Just a matter of when they fix it I guess. Not even the LO3Xes are spared, I had taken 9172D some time ago and was disappointed to find it behaving exactly what I had expected on the mutated VO3Xes. Just that some buses have smoother lock ups and other buses have jerky lock ups like the SMRT Nissans & Scanias (and also 9058B of 179).
I don't think you can actually lose a gear just like that? -
Will SBS2998J return to 243? I don't think so as it has a new ad.
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The difference in sound between a bus being driven lightly and a bus being thrashed is very obvious. Compare these:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/davidkhl/tp1876a.mp3
... and ...
http://home.iprimus.com.au/davidkhl/tp1855.mp3
Stop this fighting fellas, no need for it. I am an Aussie and conditions over here are very different to the conditions in Singapore. It may well be that the Voith transmission has more success in Singapore due to the low speed requirements which therefore permit the use of an extremely low diff which in turn provides extra acceleration.
Let's leave it at that.
Regards,
Dave