the difference between Volvo Super Olympian and Volvo B10TL
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Originally posted by Scania:Yah, lets not confuse this guy, later he will say VO2x no tag axle what so ever.
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aiya pls lar i will not get confusses easily ok and btw i still need 2 study ok?Originally posted by Scania:Yah, lets not confuse this guy, later he will say VO2x no tag axle what so ever. -
Since when u was involve in this? did Scania say about you?Originally posted by bus555:aiya pls lar i will not get confusses easily ok and btw i still need 2 study ok?
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Scania's talking about me.Originally posted by Volvo Olympian:Since when u was involve in this? did Scania say about you? 
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I'm afraid not. What about the LO3X, VO3X? And 997A has such an axle also even if its not a DD.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Btw that axle is called a 'tag axle'. The only DDs in SG with a steerable tag axle is Dennis Tridents. It helps to make the DD have a sharper turn, just like a 4-wheel steering vehicle. B10TLs, B9TLs the axle is merely used to carry the extra weight, whereas the Tridents tag axle is also used to carry the extra weight, but is steerable, thus while carrying the extra load, it helps the DD turn well too.
That was why I said the free-turning axle was removed from the VO3X design when the B10TL was derived. -
..........Originally posted by bus555:aiya pls lar i will not get confusses easily ok and btw i still need 2 study ok?
Are you a clone of N113? -
Softer footprint.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Btw that axle is called a 'tag axle'. The only DDs in SG with a steerable tag axle is Dennis Tridents. It helps to make the DD have a sharper turn, just like a 4-wheel steering vehicle. B10TLs, B9TLs the axle is merely used to carry the extra weight, whereas the Tridents tag axle is also used to carry the extra weight, but is steerable, thus while carrying the extra load, it helps the DD turn well too. -
If I'm not mistaken, the Dennis brand has been superceded by Transbus. Alexander-Dennis is the new name of the holding company, which was formed by the merger of WA body kits (Falkirk) and Dennis chassis (Guildford).Originally posted by carbikebus:Just like Dennis Dart SLF and Enviro 200,Same chassis different names. -
Mayflower group and Plaxton merged with Walter Alexander to form Transbus. Transbus adapted Alexander's and Plaxton's bodies instead of DM (though the DM5000 did surivied into the Transbus product line while they were coming out with Enviro 500). And then became Alexander Dennis when Plaxton was separated (though the Pointer body had already been taken by Alexander Dennis)Originally posted by iveco:If I'm not mistaken, the Dennis brand has been superceded by Transbus. Alexander-Dennis is the holding company for the new company, which was formed by the merger of WA body kits (Falkirk) and Dennis chassis (Guildford). -
British bus history is complicated sia. Now what happened to Plaxton? Surviving on its own?
I still remember there was the Northern Counties and East Lancashire range of body kits for buses. -
Erm guys, does anyone of you know what is a "steerable " tag axle and "non-steered" tag axle? FYI, the Volvo B10MA that SBST used to have also have a tag axle, but is Steerable. SMRT's O.405G's tag axle (or B axle, the middle axle) is non-steered, meaning it cant be steered whatsoever . The LO3x , VO3x and VSO and B9TL also have non-steerable tag axle. You guys really sure that the LO3x, VO3x the tag axle is steerable?Originally posted by SBS3625D:I'm afraid not. What about the LO3X, VO3X? And 997A has such an axle also even if its not a DD.
That was why I said the free-turning axle was removed from the VO3X design when the B10TL was derived.
The axle that's pointed at is the tag axle, the one behind it is the drive axle. Are you really sure that this axle(tag axle) can be steered?
From what i believe, in order for the tag axle to be steerable, it must be behind the drive axle, otherwise the vehicle might 'crab-walk". That explains why most of the steerable tag axles found on coaches and city buses are behind the drive axle, not infront of the drive axle. -
I suggest that you go to SBS Transit areas and see. Especially the LO3xes.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm guys, does anyone of you know what is a "steerable " tag axle and "non-steered" tag axle? FYI, the Volvo B10MA that SBST used to have also have a tag axle, but is Steerable. SMRT's O.405G's tag axle (or B axle, the middle axle) is non-steered, meaning it cant be steered whatsoever . The LO3x , VO3x and VSO and B9TL also have non-steerable tag axle. You guys really sure that the LO3x, VO3x the tag axle is steerable?
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The axle that's pointed at is the tag axle, the one behind it is the drive axle. Are you really sure that this axle(tag axle) can be steered?
From what i believe, in order for the tag axle to be steerable, it must be behind the drive axle, otherwise the vehicle might 'crab-walk". That explains why most of the steerable tag axles found on coaches and city buses are behind the drive axle, not infront of the drive axle.
Shows how ignorant you are. -
The tag axle on LO3X and VO3X chassis are steerable. Scania N113 luver, I think you need to get off your computer and see more for yourself in person before making comments which have been debunked time and again, which you keep insisting is correct.
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Plaxton got brought out by Transbus's old directors, the other sections went to another buyer.Originally posted by iveco:British bus history is complicated sia. Now what happened to Plaxton? Surviving on its own?
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Ya.. That is only what you believe. It is your OWN opinion.. It's not a fact in anyway.. I believe your history teacher had taught you before that there is a very great difference between a FACT and an OPINION. Do hope that you would stop surfing the net. Get out there and station yourself at tight corners and see what LO3x/VO3x can do. After which, you better think twice about what you are going to say.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:From what i believe, in order for the tag axle to be steerable, it must be behind the drive axle, otherwise the vehicle might 'crab-walk". That explains why most of the steerable tag axles found on coaches and city buses are behind the drive axle, not infront of the drive axle. -
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Hello, are u sure the photo is urs? Could u next time pls ask for permission 1st before using other ppl's pic?Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:Erm guys, does anyone of you know what is a "steerable " tag axle and "non-steered" tag axle? FYI, the Volvo B10MA that SBST used to have also have a tag axle, but is Steerable. SMRT's O.405G's tag axle (or B axle, the middle axle) is non-steered, meaning it cant be steered whatsoever . The LO3x , VO3x and VSO and B9TL also have non-steerable tag axle. You guys really sure that the LO3x, VO3x the tag axle is steerable?
The axle that's pointed at is the tag axle, the one behind it is the drive axle. Are you really sure that this axle(tag axle) can be steered?
From what i believe, in order for the tag axle to be steerable, it must be behind the drive axle, otherwise the vehicle might 'crab-walk". That explains why most of the steerable tag axles found on coaches and city buses are behind the drive axle, not infront of the drive axle. -
i will add to this for my opinion that the silly exhuast braking (uhhh i mean the extra engine reving when the B9TL want to stopping) engaged in the B9TL engine is rather...jerky and irritating.. prefer b10TL engine model.Originally posted by The_Bus_Guide:Perhaps a little history might help. We all know of Leyland's most successful DD model, the Olympian. Such was its popularity, it was the only Leyland bus model which was allowed to continue production after the Volvo takeover. In 1993, Volvo decided to drop the Leyland name altogether and improve upon the Olympian chassis by using Volvo parts and engines, which resulted in the Volvo Olympian. Later, with the introduction of stepless DDs from rival companies, Volvo decided to introduce their own stepless DD too. The Olympian chassis was modified by moving the radiator position from the front to the farside, behind the front axle, so that a stepless entrance is possible. The new chassis' model number is B10TL and its model name is Super Olympian.
The B9TL was a further improvement on the B10TL. For some reasons, the side radiator position didn't go down too well. So, it was decided to relocate the radiator to the rear. An improved engine was developed which is smaller but produces more power. Hence, a new chassis, the B9TL was born. Oddly, the name Olympian was given to the new chassis. Why? I don't know.
still if we have merc OC500LEs the "exhuast braking" (bad use of technical terms i admit) also will drive one to jerks and irritations..
dunno if its the Zf new generation gearbox that cause the silly excess noise n engine revs.
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oh for gods sake:
the B10TL is the technical name. the volvo super olympian is another name. and yes the "super" comes from our SBS superbus. UK seems to take singapore seriusoly enough to add the Super word. just like they have the PS alexander bodywork based on the P bodywork. the extra S signifies Singapore...hhhhaaaaa...uhhh the PS bodywork is used on Mark 2s in Uk n singapore.
as for the B9TL one
the B9TL is another olympin product. so can call it a volvo olympain.
but plese dun cause confusion when u say the SBS92xx 93xx 94xx 95xx 96xx volvo olympains are B9TLs. no doubt olympins but not using the B9TL engine and dash config and chasis ...ah fine the B9TL kit.
i will like to clear up on the dash configuration on the B9TL.
this dash configuration is the new standard volvo dash configuration. i like the digital clock added and the error message display thing...
this dash is ALSO used on some B10TLs... those newer ones in Hong Kong.
please dun confuse urself when u go Hong Kong and find a similiar dash on a B10TL instead of the usual B9TL in singapore.
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There are also Scania N113s with the Alexander PS body kits in UK. Seen a photo of it from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, of all places.
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Hehe OPPS!Originally posted by my@jas:Hello, are u sure the photo is urs? Could u next time pls ask for permission 1st before using other ppl's pic? Sry sry ! I forgot to ask for permission. Did this pic belong to u? If so, im terribly sorry! -
Can show me link? I want to seeOriginally posted by iveco:There are also Scania N113s with the Alexander PS body kits in UK. Seen a photo of it from Newcastle-upon-Tyne, of all places. -
You sure? Are you sure SG was the first country to get Super Olympians?Originally posted by ZYX2005:the B10TL is the technical name. the volvo super olympian is another name. and yes the "super" comes from our SBS superbus. UK seems to take singapore seriusoly enough to add the Super word.
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I think what ZYX was trying to say that the "Super" in Super Olympian is derived from Singapore's "Superbus".Originally posted by stooper:You sure? Are you sure SG was the first country to get Super Olympians?
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Bear in mind the Volvo group now included Leyland as well. The UK should be among the 1st to get the VSO.Originally posted by stooper:You sure? Are you sure SG was the first country to get Super Olympians?
And also, Volvo is Swedish...
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Yes, HK definitely beat SG in getting the VSO. So that's why I'm not so sure whether they put the word "Super" just for the sake of SG.Originally posted by iveco:Bear in mind the Volvo group now included Leyland as well. The UK should be among the 1st to get the VSO.
I believe HK beat us to getting VSOs too.
UK doesn't have any VSOs in service I believe. The only countries which have VSOs are SG & HK.