Which one more heavier?
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Hi guys! Im just curious here. Is the B10M heavier or the O.405? Its seems to me that the O.405 acceleration is slightly better than the B10Ms.
B10M feels abit "weighty" leh.
So is the B10M heavier or MB O.405? -
of course is the B10M la.
esp MK3/4s, their weight would be around 11xxx kg? but the MK2s would be lighter, esp the NACs [96xx kg for that case]
but for SBST O405s, OACs weigh at around 96xxkg. even though CACs weigh slightly lesser, heh. i was quite surprised that SMRT O405s actually weigh at 10500kg for OAC... even though CACs have a few hundred kgs lesser. -
No wonder! I take the B10M and it feels abit like pig, especially the MKIIIs, MKII dont feel so heavy.Originally posted by collinnxk88:of course is the B10M la.
esp MK3/4s, their weight would be around 11xxx kg? but the MK2s would be lighter, esp the NACs [96xx kg for that case]
but for SBST O405s, OACs weigh at around 96xxkg. even though CACs weigh slightly lesser, heh. i was quite surprised that SMRT O405s actually weigh at 10500kg for OAC... even though CACs have a few hundred kgs lesser.
SMRT OAC Merc is heavier because the Hispano box uses more metals than the SBST counter parts, also the addition of turbo-charger (i believe SMRT's Merc O.405 have turbo-charged engines right? With OM447hA engines?). Cause some of them i think can hear turbo leh, take TIB772M (171 AMDEP)) for example. Volgren Merc also can hear slightly. -
Why are CACs lighter? Shouldn't they be heavier since all the equipment/pipes have to be installed later? So more modifications have to be made?Originally posted by collinnxk88:of course is the B10M la.
esp MK3/4s, their weight would be around 11xxx kg? but the MK2s would be lighter, esp the NACs [96xx kg for that case]
but for SBST O405s, OACs weigh at around 96xxkg. even though CACs weigh slightly lesser, heh. i was quite surprised that SMRT O405s actually weigh at 10500kg for OAC... even though CACs have a few hundred kgs lesser.
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Why most B10Ms heavier and slow?First of all it's not really a citybus,But more to intercity uses,Secondly blame of the speed limiter and other engine problems.
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stooper, it's not really about the modifications, but some aircons on CACs may weigh lighter than that of OACs?
carbikebus, so far most B10M MKII NACs, MK4 DMs/3500s chiong pretty well, even though some CACs esp WA-bodied ones accelerate too slowly. -
PIG??? I think you are just unlucky enough to meet a BC who's just not in a rush.
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Are you saying that DM bodied buses go faster than WA ones?Originally posted by collinnxk88:stooper, it's not really about the modifications, but some aircons on CACs may weigh lighter than that of OACs?
carbikebus, so far most B10M MKII NACs, MK4 DMs/3500s chiong pretty well, even though some CACs esp WA-bodied ones accelerate too slowly. -
most of the time when i'm on a DM CAC/OAC mercz/volvo, i feel as though im travelling faster compared to a WA bodied CAC volvo/OAC mercz.
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I think the DM3500s are the fastest. The Strider and the DM seem to be just as heavy and slow. Does anyone have the exact figures for the weight of the 3 B10M with different bodywork?
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Different gearbox and tuning will result in different performances. Most MK4 DMs and all Striders use ZF, only a handful of DM and all MK3500 use Voith.Originally posted by dfs24:I think the DM3500s are the fastest. The Strider and the DM seem to be just as heavy and slow. Does anyone have the exact figures for the weight of the 3 B10M with different bodywork? -
I have the Unladen Weights (ROV) for these buses (in kg):
B10M Strider: 10370
Mk III : 10300
WA O405: 9550
Diesel B10BLE: 10980
L94UB: 10412
VSO: 15690
VO3X: 14517 -
suhirman, can show us the link where u got the info?
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I remember they were once written on the black plates at the side of the bus. But most have disappeared after they repaint into SBS Transit.Originally posted by collinnxk88:suhirman, can show us the link where u got the info? -
so the only way is to get them from the chassis registration on top of the driver's cabin i guess... other than getting it from JB MK3s. [which is big and clear]
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The info was taken from the old SBS Transit webpage on bus models which I have saved. I don't have the exact url. Besides, I think the page is no longer there.
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Unladen Weight (ROV)
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MBO405
WA : 9550kg
DM(AC) : 9390kg
DM(NAC) : 8850kg
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Mk II(NAC)
WA : 17000kg
DM : 17000kg
Mk III : 10300 kg
Mk IV
DM3500 : 10370 kg
Leyland Olympian 3-Axle : 14517kg
Volvo Olympian 3-Axle
Batch I : 14400kg
Batch II : 14200kg
Batch III : 14220kg
Volvo Olympian 2-Axle : 11370kg
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Scania L94UB: 10412kg
Volvo B10BLE :10980kg
Volvo Super Olympian : 15690kg -
I checked a CAC DM today (3820G) and it's unladen weight was 9310kg I actually thought that was the original NAC weight, but after looking at the above figures, I presume SBS has updated the plates?Originally posted by brotherchen1982:
And also, are the MK2s really that heavy? 2 times the O405 and also heavier than the DDs!
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that 17000kg is just the GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT, which is the maximum loading weight the bus can legally handle, 2/3 axles combined.
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saw this thingy on a B9TL:
U.W.: 15920kg
M.L.W.: 23600kg -
SMRT CAC Merc O.405 U.W is 10700kg .Originally posted by QX5216J:saw this thingy on a B9TL:
U.W.: 15920kg
M.L.W.: 23600kg
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The Mercedes-Benz OM 447-series engine has much more low-down torque than the Volvo THD100D and subsequent Volvo engines. This is because the Mercedes-Benz engines have a higher piston displacement (11.967 litres) than the Volvo engines (9.603 litres). That's probably why the Mercedes-Benz O 405s seem quicker than the Volvo B10Ms.
Regards,
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U mean the OM447-series the pistons have a short stroke? Cause i remember engines with longer strokes have higher torque, engines with shorter stroke have higher RPM. Is that true?Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:The Mercedes-Benz OM 447-series engine has much more low-down torque than the Volvo THD100D and subsequent Volvo engines. This is because the Mercedes-Benz engines have a higher piston displacement (11.967 litres) than the Volvo engines (9.603 litres). That's probably why the Mercedes-Benz O 405s seem quicker than the Volvo B10Ms.
Regards,
Dave
Btw ya, the OM447 has low down torque, cant remember with version, the engine only has 900Nm, quite low for a 12litre engine , as compared with 1700Nm for the new 12litre D12E engine from Volvo. -
Wah lao, can you stop copying what you see from other website? Can you stop hao lianing, you act as if you know everything one. Then later get scolded then buay song, really the copycat one lor. Go explore lah, don't see comp think you can understand everything.Originally posted by Scania N113CRB luver:U mean the OM447-series the pistons have a short stroke? Cause i remember engines with longer strokes have higher torque, engines with shorter stroke have higher RPM. Is that true?
Btw ya, the OM447 has low down torque, cant remember with version, the engine only has 900Nm, quite low for a 12litre engine , as compared with 1700Nm for the new 12litre D12E engine from Volvo. -
Erh....im not trying to hao lian.Originally posted by SBS351M:Wah lao, can you stop copying what you see from other website? Can you stop hao lianing, you act as if you know everything one. Then later get scolded then buay song, really the copycat one lor. Go explore lah, don't see comp think you can understand everything.
Just trying to clear my doubts. Why everyone thinks im trying to hao lian?
Ok, im trying to hao lian here...Hmm then what is he trying to say then?